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[Klick]

Reading into the KAAG/eyestott slot is difficult due to the lack of content until D4. I tried for a bit overnight but didn't really get anywhere.
One of the things that stands out about the slot is that it claimed 1xBP and 1xWatcher after both Dolly and Fwesnid individually fakeclaimed. This post by eyestott is odd:

I’m a 1-shot watcher. I didn’t use it because I had no idea who the mafia would target with their night kill.
And hey, I’m 1-shot bulletproof too.
I didn’t really “crumb” this game, even though I’ve done so in the other games I’ve been in that are now finished
Other than me saying that the mod didn’t respond to my pms at the start of the game. I was asking him if
A) I can use my watcher ability to target myself
B) I’ll be informed if I lose my bulletproof ability

Dolly and Fwesnid should be able to confirm the answers to each of these are no.

In context, I'm wondering if he was trying to individually add credit to both of their claims. Otherwise, how do they wind up fake-claiming both individual parts of eyestott's role?

[Klick]

That's... A bit sketcher than it looked when I was writing it up, actually.
Hmm.

[Klick]

I think votato's play has been very questionable if town, but not totally outside of conceivable town range.

[Klick]

I haven't looked at votato town games yet, but he isn't wrong that his scum game looks significantly different than this. I'd love a second opinion on that Paragon.

[Klick]

• QuantumQuasar was lynched day 1. They were a
  Town Jailkeeper
  .
  
• Drew-Sta
  was killed night 1. He was a
  Town 1-Shot Voyeur
  .
  
• gibus
  was lynched day 2. He was a
  Vanilla Townie
  .
  
• Atarashi Hajimari
  was killed night 2. He was a
  Vanilla Townie
  .
  
• Dolly Parton
  was lynched day 3. She was a
  Mafia Goon.
  .
  
• notscience
  was killed night 3. He was a
  Town 1-Shot Weak Follower
  .
  
• Pickaxe Pete
  was lynched day 4. He was a
  Vanilla Townie
  .
  
• DrippingGoofball
  was killed night 4. She was a
  Town 1-Shot Voyeur
  .
  
• Fwesnid
  was lynched day 5. He was a
  Mafia Goon.

What fills out the role list? Town 1-Shot Bulletproof 1-Shot Watcher, or Town 1-Shot Roleblocker?
I currently lean towards the latter.

[Klick]

Lastly, I'm not really sure why Fwesnid would make the Watcher fake guilty play to set up votato for endgame. With votato as a partner, that play looks game-losing. With KAAG as a partner it makes marginally more sense - that slot has had little attention on it all game.
Also worth noting that I think DGB would be far more likely to still be alive if votato were scum. I was convinced before Pete died that 3p LyLo would wind up being me/DGB/votato.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Like Pete said, you kinda feel helpless in this situation, 1 vs 1 when you're town. You've put more work in than anyone Klick, so don't overthink this.

To believe votato is town, you have to believe that his faked RB usage (which he claimed was on Klick, D4) was town motivated in some way, and that his refusal to post about it yesterday when he was appearing elsewhere on site is pure.

I think votato's play has been very questionable if town, but not totally outside of conceivable town range.

That's a very generous assessment.

I can't do much, all the evidence is in the past. I'll be blameless if we lose, but I really don't want us to. I'll check in every few hours if you have questions.

[Paragon]

I've played with votato quite a lot recently actually (I'm Hoctac, votato), and his scumplay varies. There's a game I can't talk about, but the one that's finished, he was aggressive and wasn't afraid to push mislynches.

[Paragon]

Reading into the KAAG/eyestott slot is difficult due to the lack of content until D4. I tried for a bit overnight but didn't really get anywhere.
One of the things that stands out about the slot is that it claimed 1xBP and 1xWatcher after both Dolly and Fwesnid individually fakeclaimed. This post by eyestott is odd:

I’m a 1-shot watcher. I didn’t use it because I had no idea who the mafia would target with their night kill.
And hey, I’m 1-shot bulletproof too.
I didn’t really “crumb” this game, even though I’ve done so in the other games I’ve been in that are now finished
Other than me saying that the mod didn’t respond to my pms at the start of the game. I was asking him if
A) I can use my watcher ability to target myself
B) I’ll be informed if I lose my bulletproof ability

Dolly and Fwesnid should be able to confirm the answers to each of these are no.

In context, I'm wondering if he was trying to individually add credit to both of their claims. Otherwise, how do they wind up fake-claiming both individual parts of eyestott's role?

Hmm, does scum!eyestott just lump in both scum buddies like that?

[Paragon]

Lastly, I'm not really sure why Fwesnid would make the Watcher fake guilty play to set up votato for endgame. With votato as a partner, that play looks game-losing. With KAAG as a partner it makes marginally more sense - that slot has had little attention on it all game.
Also worth noting that I think DGB would be far more likely to still be alive if votato were scum. I was convinced before Pete died that 3p LyLo would wind up being me/DGB/votato.

That's a good point. Why does Fwensid claim that guilty? Maybe because he's a goon so would eventually be caught out by continuously "missing" the kills and not dying for whatever reason?

[Paragon]

VOTE: Fwesnid

I was convinced you were town, so well played.

Pretty sure I know who your partner is now though

, so I'm hopeful your ploy will backfire.

Let's see if they have the cajones to try something today.

Who were you referring to here?

[Paragon]

We're doing this huh. VOTE: gibus

It was nice playing with you all. Goodbye

Yay, #420 post for me

But first..

Let me get my final pagetop

i mean, based on reaction, at this point i believe the claim.

nice playing with you gibus. sorry it happened like this.

i think its pretty bad for town to have 2 lolhammers, yeah. its hard to to VCA in a normal situation, but here its gonna be a nightmare. Also, with no progression or time for people to post and make themselves scummy, its gonna be harder to develop reads. at this point my reads are largely still based on the time immediately after RVS. Theres been very little content since then.

Oh yeah, did you ever explain this, votato?

How did you go from scumreading Gibus to believing his claim because of that reaction he had to being hammered? It looked completely NAI to me, if not slightly scum-indicative.

[votato]

I've played with votato quite a lot recently actually (I'm Hoctac, votato), and his scumplay varies. There's a game I can't talk about, but the one that's finished, he was aggressive and wasn't afraid to push mislynches.

oh hey! well in that case you can speak to my meta pretty well. Low-motivation town!me, which didnt come out as much in my completed town games, since i was very new and bright-eyed.

[Paragon]

Atarashi townread eyestott. Scumread votato.
Drew-Sta never mentioned eyestott. Scumread votato
notscience didn't like either. HOWEVER, he did say this:

We know because of dgb that scum have a roleblocker.

I would wager scum has a strongman and I don’t think that eyestott and dolly are scum together. Scums fakeclaims are probably spread out amongst them all. So two didn’t claim the same thing unless it was VT.

I didn’t notice a ton of dupes but he typically had one weird role per alignment which kinda makes me want to lynch in eyestott/votato/dolly/fwes. A part of me says eyestott is opposite of whatever dolly and fwes are.

Goofball townread eyestott, and was thinking votato was town EoD yesterday.

NKs point towards votato here, but I guess they naturally are because votato has just been under more suspicion than eyestott this game.

[Paragon]

I've played with votato quite a lot recently actually (I'm Hoctac, votato), and his scumplay varies. There's a game I can't talk about, but the one that's finished, he was aggressive and wasn't afraid to push mislynches.

oh hey! well in that case you can speak to my meta pretty well. Low-motivation town!me, which didnt come out as much in my completed town games, since i was very new and bright-eyed.

Maybe, maybe. Hopefully your answers to our other questions and write-up tomorrow should be enlightening!

[votato]

We're doing this huh. VOTE: gibus

It was nice playing with you all. Goodbye

Yay, #420 post for me

But first..

Let me get my final pagetop

i mean, based on reaction, at this point i believe the claim.

nice playing with you gibus. sorry it happened like this.

i think its pretty bad for town to have 2 lolhammers, yeah. its hard to to VCA in a normal situation, but here its gonna be a nightmare. Also, with no progression or time for people to post and make themselves scummy, its gonna be harder to develop reads. at this point my reads are largely still based on the time immediately after RVS. Theres been very little content since then.

Oh yeah, did you ever explain this, votato?

How did you go from scumreading Gibus to believing his claim because of that reaction he had to being hammered? It looked completely NAI to me, if not slightly scum-indicative.

i dunno, i feel like the one thing im actually good at is reading whether people are being genuine in twilight... that just seemed like he was sad newbie... 419 struck me as particularly townie.

[votato]

Like Pete said, you kinda feel helpless in this situation, 1 vs 1 when you're town. You've put more work in than anyone Klick, so don't overthink this.

To believe votato is town, you have to believe that his faked RB usage (which he claimed was on Klick, D4) was town motivated in some way, and that his refusal to post about it yesterday when he was appearing elsewhere on site is pure.

I think votato's play has been very questionable if town, but not totally outside of conceivable town range.

That's a very generous assessment.

I can't do much, all the evidence is in the past. I'll be blameless if we lose, but I really don't want us to. I'll check in every few hours if you have questions.

AtE after there's a guilty on you in mylo... is there a clearer scum tell?

[votato]

haha if i'd known you were hoctac in 938 id have killed you n1 probably.

[Klick]

I'm Hoctac

Neat! I was pressed by your play in the Neighbor game.

[Klick]

impressed*

[Klick]

I'm now wondering why eyestott claims both parts of his role the way he did if he's scum and is somewhat expecting his buddies to die before LyLo.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

VOTE: Fwesnid

I was convinced you were town, so well played.

Pretty sure I know who your partner is now though

, so I'm hopeful your ploy will backfire.

Let's see if they have the cajones to try something today.

Who were you referring to here?

votato.

I waited for this exact reason. To see if you would claim something that would prove to me you were scum.

I made it clear I had watched before you put your foot in it.

I thought you were scum within 10 posts of replacing in. Not with Pete, but it was independent of Pete.

Basically, using the action last night in the way that votato did has no real town utility; his actions don't make sense if he's town. Meanwhile, they make a

ton

of sense as scum - claiming to have used it now instead of after his partner is lynched means he doesn't have to clear anyone as town. And he claimed he used the RB

after

Fwesnid claimed his guilty.

It's Pete/votato.

I've done the catching up I'm going to do. Read quite a bit, albeit skimmy and mainly as ISO. Not too many wall posts, made it easier.

That is also my current thoughts:

Pete/votato most likely.

[Klick]

Fwiw Paragon I don't think I'll need this to drag on. Maybe another 2-3 days, but beyond that I don't feel like I'll get much worthwhile out of overanalysing. But if you want to take extra time to feel confident and then we compare thoughts, that's fine.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Like Pete said, you kinda feel helpless in this situation, 1 vs 1 when you're town. You've put more work in than anyone Klick, so don't overthink this.

To believe votato is town, you have to believe that his faked RB usage (which he claimed was on Klick, D4) was town motivated in some way, and that his refusal to post about it yesterday when he was appearing elsewhere on site is pure.

I think votato's play has been very questionable if town, but not totally outside of conceivable town range.

That's a very generous assessment.

I can't do much, all the evidence is in the past. I'll be blameless if we lose, but I really don't want us to. I'll check in every few hours if you have questions.

AtE after there's a guilty on you in mylo... is there a clearer scum tell?

Yes, as that isnt. Its a "wants to win but is now unavoidably helpless" tell.

Your lie about RB'ing Klick. Your refusal to meaningfully post in the 2 day twilight we had. Clearer.

[Klick]

It's worth noting that votato wasn't under heavy suspicion until AFTER Fwesnid faked the guilty. So he made that move in the gamestate before votato was being scrutinised, meaning he probably thought votato was at least neutrally likely to survive LyLo.
I'm also wondering how likely he is to make that move while his partner is totally absent from the slot.