Open 80 - Double Day Mafia (Game Over!)

[Corinthian]

Where he first debunks the "meta" idea, now he's telling people to look at his posting meta

Apples and oranges, FL.

The meta I'm referring to is an easily observable record of fact. I post more often and am more likely to make multiple posts per day on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. I never post during the day on Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday. Anyone who cared to could look this up and see if it's true.

The meta I'm "debunking" is the idea that based on my play in ONE game of hurry-up in which I was a pro-town power role, it's possible to determine that my play in this game is more indicative of scum than town.



Oh, and happy birthday.

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killa seven - 5 (Knight of Cydonia, SpyreX, Corinthian, orangepenguin, Joubert)
Corinthian - 4 (StrangerCoug, LlamaFluff, Firestarter, TheSweatpantsNinja)
Manito - 2 (FaerieLord, killa seven)
Firestarter - 2 (armlx, CF Riot)
FaerieLord - 1 (Manito)
armlx - 1 (LaptopGun)

15 alive, 8 to lynch.

-Mod

[armlx]

I refuse to respond to that kind of bullshit.

That was the one really scummy thing Cor did.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yup. And compare that to killa's play.
If we take all the meta crap away, you can only really suspect K7:

Corin:
"I refuse to respond to that kind of bullshit." It may have been reaching and a bit ugh, but still, respond, y'know?
A bit of lurking.

K7:
"Leed us to teh scum boss, Gimbo"
"Please don't self-hammer, unless you're scum, "
Vast amounts of lurkery (including right now - where is he? made a completely fail PBPA of me, where he completely misread stuff and brought up points I already answered)
General scumminess and anti-town play.

All Corin's done is lurk a little, and react a little aggressively.
K7 has two days worth of dedicated anti-town play and twice during the forbiddan lynch implied knowledge he knew she wasn't scum.
Do the maths, people. THe lynch maths.

[StrangerCoug]

Corinthian and killa seven are my top two suspects right now, and I do think there are similarities between them. I'd be surprised if they were both town. In fact,

HoS: killa seven

if I don't have one out on him already since I have a vote on Corinthian.

[armlx]

KoC, can define and give examples of what "general scumminess and anti-town play" means? Because what you listed for K7 is lurking and 2 jokes he made.

[armlx]

EBWODP: Not that the lurking isn't a valid point given the amount he was posting elsewhere, just saying those other points are reaching a bit unless you can define that.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Dismissing them as jokes is wrong - just because he put a wink on the end doesn't make them jokes.
The first one looks like he's doing exactly what makes meta-reads worthless, to my mind - it looks like he's playing scummy and joking around, whilst throwing out an early accusation - joking or not.
The second one was actually picked up on, but briefly, before Gimbo jumped in to hammer forbiddan and stop any further discussion. It is a direct implication that Killa knew forbiddan wasn't scum.
Also, you missed the third point in the brackets, which is the fact that all of his 're-reads' or PBPAs have been either one-liners with no real meaning, or just an one-line accusation and vote, or a deliberate mis-interpretation of points that I'd alraedy explained.
He also did exactly what some people are basing their case against Corin on:
he called the first point of my PBPA a joke, then dismissed the rest as corny logic - which is clearly wasn't.

[armlx]

You are reading WAY too much into the things people are saying in jest.

I agree he is a better lynch then Cor (upon my reread of Cor), but I'm not convinced this isn't just him being him.

[Firestarter]

You are reading WAY too much into the things people are saying in jest.

Says armlx, who reads WAY too much into peoples meta's....

Seriously, do you actually want to lynch anyone???

Why do you feel it necessary to defend everyone who gets posed a question/attacked, etc, etc..?

Let them answer for themselves, otherwise we get nowhere....

[LaptopGun]

Arm, the mafia would use the thinking. A mafia goon who just lost his partner would like there to be disscussion away from the mafia in total or at least himself as an individual.

Can you clarify what this means?

When one mafia goes down, the other ones would probably want to make sure neither of themselves come under scrutiny. They'd like to throw anyone else under the bus and get a mislynch. It's like the rats on the Titanic.

[armlx]

Seriously, do you actually want to lynch anyone???

You. We could do worse then K7, as just like as has been said its not like he is being NK'ed, but you is a better option.

When one mafia goes down, the other ones would probably want to make sure neither of themselves come under scrutiny.

I get what you are trying to say, but aren't the mafia ALWAYS trying to do that?

[Firestarter]

When one mafia goes down, the other ones would probably want to make sure neither of themselves come under scrutiny.

I get what you are trying to say, but aren't the mafia ALWAYS trying to do that?

So, in your opinion, armlx, how do those rats try to avoid scrutiny?

[Manito]

Maybe I'm just missing some bigger idea here, but why do people see Corin's statement that he refuses to respond to Llama's bullshit votes-to-make-people-respond tactics as scummy? I think Llama's tactics are pretty silly - throwing votes around doesn't make much sense to me either.

[StrangerCoug]

Joubert still hasn't answered #924 for me, and it's too soon to prod him.

[armlx]

So, in your opinion, armlx, how do those rats try to avoid scrutiny?

Don't act in a manner that isn't pro-town, unless doing so is possible to work around and puts their group significantly closer to a win.

[somestrangeflea]

A post by Bogre, a non-player, has been deleted.

orangepenguin and killa seven have been prodded.

Knight of Cydonia goes on V/LA today.

[LaptopGun]

When one mafia goes down, the other ones would probably want to make sure neither of themselves come under scrutiny.

I get what you are trying to say, but aren't the mafia ALWAYS trying to do that?

Yes. And you said that you were only willing to talk about another player when someone turned mafia. Sounds awfully familiar to me.

[armlx]

Yes. And you said that you were only willing to talk about another player when someone turned mafia. Sounds awfully familiar to me.

I don't get what you are saying here.

[Firestarter]

So, in your opinion, armlx, how do those rats try to avoid scrutiny?

Don't act in a manner that isn't pro-town, unless doing so is possible to work around and puts their group significantly closer to a win.

So, is everyone playing here, apart from me in your eyes, acting pro-town?

[armlx]

FS, the issue at hand is that people are actively bad at pretending to be pro-town.

[Firestarter]

I agree.... 100%

So who, from the ones you think are pretending, is high on your list?

Of course, with the exception of me!

[armlx]

So who, from the ones you think are pretending, is high on your list?

I still stand by my earlier comment on this matter.

[orangepenguin]

Not a fan of the Corin train. I don't find him scummy at all. I still stand by killa 7 vote.

[Firestarter]

So who, from the ones you think are pretending, is high on your list?

I still stand by my earlier comment on this matter.

So that would be me, the lurkers and CFR???

Am I correct?

[killa seven]

im here.