Dog's overconfidence is an eh, like to the extent where he's looking for Hoopla's scum buddies and looking for associatives, but now he's already considering other wagons like Espe? Knowing how common they are would tell you how likely it is that you've spotted a traitor crumb. If they happen to be fairly rare, you should pay potential traitor crumbs less mind. If they're very common, you should be extra careful and looking out for them. Why are you just disregarding those factors with a "so what?". I don't believe your thought process here.In post 372, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm not sure what more I can say on this, and I honestly do not feel like doing it anymore either. But.In post 348, renaissance wrote:@Umbreon: You're right about the wiki layout, but why do you think knowing traitors are normal is the same thing as knowing "how common they are"? Something might be normal, but that doesn't tell you how often they're included by mods.
WHY did he feel the need to ask how common they are?
He can see it from the Normal Guidelines that they EXIST, that is all the relevant information.
If they are ultra-rare - so what?
If they are in almost any game - so what?
Instead of immediately coming out with their "theory" on scum!Espe (it was Espe right?) based on an assumption of a Traitor, they felt the need to ask how common they are first.
So, why?
They felt like making a post with the sole purpose of mentioning a "traitor"?
Or they DIDN'T check the wiki at all - which raises the question why so many already assumed they had checked the role there and therefore mentioning it isn't scummy at all...
I never scolded you. I said what was scummy about you.In post 471, UnaBombaH wrote:How on earth did you get a read like that?In post 447, gobbledygook wrote:That reads to me like a scum reaction.
I'm starting to think you are the type of player who decide outcomes and reads first, and then make everything new fit that decision.
There was absolutely nothing about my latest post that wasn't dedicated tocorrectingfalse statements about my own play so far.
If you find that scummy, slap a vote on me.
I can't do much to help you.Ah, but then you took an opportune time to scold me.In post 447, gobbledygook wrote:Most of your posts are talking about Gypyx. Ergo talking a lot but not doing anything with your vote
I have already said my piece regarding Gypyx, and I thought I made it rather clear as well, hmm?
Moving on, as should you.
If that's what it takes, I guess you are playing this game sort of wrong?In post 477, gobbledygook wrote:Since I have your permission.
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In post 483, UnaBombaH wrote:Oh, and Flippynips doing that whole vote-unvote act above feels absolutely uncharacteristic of him.
Based on the (admittedly limited) experience I have of him, that is.
In post 466, Emperor flippyNips wrote:is this in any order or? also has anything changed? you also waited for lickety to post but didn't include them in your list, why?In post 294, gobbledygook wrote:Ok, so now that Lickety is posting these are my thoughts.
Emperor is town
PranaDevil is town
Gypyx is town
Hiraki is town
CoolDog is town
Hoopla is town
Espeonage is scum
Agar is scum
Notscience is scum
CoolDog read is conditioned on something I don’t want t reveal right now.
In post 488, Hiraki wrote:pretty sure my lynchpool today is in hoopla, flippynips, and renaissance. will change based on the VC
Flippy's spam posting brought this back to my attention and I wanna harp on it some more. Why would you suggest a wagon on someone where pressure doesn't do much per their meta? Like you start with pretty good logic (run some people up) and then take a nosedive straight into WTF village as soon as you finish the post.In post 101, gobbledygook wrote:Wagons are good to move the game forward. Might I suggest a better player to wagon? Flippy is a lurker and when he is here he posts cash gifs, but other than that pressure on him doesn’t do much.In post 100, Hoopla wrote:having said that, please specify why you are jumping on the EFN wagon with me and notscience.
The fact that you're calling someone else out for not doing anything to get the person they're voting lynched when that's exactly what you were doing at the same fucking time.In post 451, gobbledygook wrote:In post 449, AGar wrote:In post 447, gobbledygook wrote:Una, you aren’t doing anything to get the person you’re voting lynched.What’s funny about my posts?
In post 462, Emperor flippyNips wrote:In post 101, gobbledygook wrote:
Wagons are good to move the game forward. Might I suggest a better player to wagon? Flippy is a lurker and when he is here he posts cash gifs, but other than that pressure on him doesn’t do much.
i think i've only played large games with you right gobble?
In post 466, Emperor flippyNips wrote:is this in any order or? also has anything changed? you also waited for lickety to post but didn't include them in your list, why?In post 294, gobbledygook wrote:Ok, so now that Lickety is posting these are my thoughts.
Emperor is town
PranaDevil is town
Gypyx is town
Hiraki is town
CoolDog is town
Hoopla is town
Espeonage is scum
Agar is scum
Notscience is scum
CoolDog read is conditioned on something I don’t want t reveal right now.
I think we played in The Baker's Cult Mini Theme game together. Otherwise, I think you are correct.In post 462, Emperor flippyNips wrote:In post 101, gobbledygook wrote:
Wagons are good to move the game forward. Might I suggest a better player to wagon? Flippy is a lurker and when he is here he posts cash gifs, but other than that pressure on him doesn’t do much.
i think i've only played large games with you right gobble?
I did not suggest a wagon on someone where pressure doesn't do much per their meta. I suggested the opposite. I suggested that we wagon someone else because pressure on flippy would not do much. Did you read the post you quoted?In post 490, AGar wrote:Why would you suggest a wagon on someone where pressure doesn't do much per their meta? Like you start with pretty good logic (run some people up) and then take a nosedive straight into WTF village as soon as you finish the post.
I already explained that Espeonage is the ammo I need to get you lynched. I think you distanced from Espeonage. I have been perfectly clear why I am not voting you. Now I am trying to find your other buddy. I am stuck between notscience and Una as the last one.In post 490, AGar wrote:The fact that you're calling someone else out for not doing anything to get the person they're voting lynched when that's exactly what you were doing at the same fucking time.But you've done this before, even if you were talking out of your ass. 381 was just... :chef's kiss: So I'm scummy for not voting for my supposed strongest scumread (Espe wasn't my strongest scumread, but ok), but my second strongest instead, but your vote was parked on Espeonage although you admitted that you were most confident in your scumread on me. You then moved to Hoopla, Flippy, and back to Espeonage, then to Una.So you're saying your strongest, most confident scumread is on me, but you decided to vote for 4 other players.Scumfuck is a scumfuck is confirmed.
i ask because i for some reason am just trash at posting in larges. i have a much different style in mini normals/newbiesIn post 492, gobbledygook wrote:I think we played in The Baker's Cult Mini Theme game together. Otherwise, I think you are correct.In post 462, Emperor flippyNips wrote:In post 101, gobbledygook wrote:
Wagons are good to move the game forward. Might I suggest a better player to wagon? Flippy is a lurker and when he is here he posts cash gifs, but other than that pressure on him doesn’t do much.
i think i've only played large games with you right gobble?
In post 492, gobbledygook wrote:I already explained that Espeonage is the ammo I need to get you lynched. I think you distanced from Espeonage. I have been perfectly clear why I am not voting you. Now I am trying to find your other buddy. I am stuck between notscience and Una as the last one.In post 490, AGar wrote:The fact that you're calling someone else out for not doing anything to get the person they're voting lynched when that's exactly what you were doing at the same fucking time.But you've done this before, even if you were talking out of your ass. 381 was just... :chef's kiss: So I'm scummy for not voting for my supposed strongest scumread (Espe wasn't my strongest scumread, but ok), but my second strongest instead, but your vote was parked on Espeonage although you admitted that you were most confident in your scumread on me. You then moved to Hoopla, Flippy, and back to Espeonage, then to Una.So you're saying your strongest, most confident scumread is on me, but you decided to vote for 4 other players.Scumfuck is a scumfuck is confirmed.
Una on the other hand has done nothing to ask anyone about notscience or to get anyone to vote notscience or really do anything in relation to notscience. That is why I called out his vote. Interesting that he unvotes notscience when called out on it despite notscience still being on his short list of people to lynch don't you think.
Incorrectly, apparently, but yes. That one's my bad.In post 492, gobbledygook wrote:I did not suggest a wagon on someone where pressure doesn't do much per their meta. I suggested the opposite. I suggested that we wagon someone else because pressure on flippy would not do much. Did you read the post you quoted?
Like half the game hasn't made any attempt to get their preferred wagon rolling. You're trying to act like there's been a bastion of positive motion in this game that just isn't there.In post 492, gobbledygook wrote:I already explained that Espeonage is the ammo I need to get you lynched. I think you distanced from Espeonage. I have been perfectly clear why I am not voting you. Now I am trying to find your other buddy. I am stuck between notscience and Una as the last one.In post 490, AGar wrote:The fact that you're calling someone else out for not doing anything to get the person they're voting lynched when that's exactly what you were doing at the same fucking time.But you've done this before, even if you were talking out of your ass. 381 was just... :chef's kiss: So I'm scummy for not voting for my supposed strongest scumread (Espe wasn't my strongest scumread, but ok), but my second strongest instead, but your vote was parked on Espeonage although you admitted that you were most confident in your scumread on me. You then moved to Hoopla, Flippy, and back to Espeonage, then to Una.So you're saying your strongest, most confident scumread is on me, but you decided to vote for 4 other players.Scumfuck is a scumfuck is confirmed.
Una on the other hand has done nothing to ask anyone about notscience or to get anyone to vote notscience or really do anything in relation to notscience. That is why I called out his vote. Interesting that he unvotes notscience when called out on it despite notscience still being on his short list of people to lynch don't you think.
It's ok. I forgive you,In post 495, AGar wrote:Incorrectly, apparently, but yes. That one's my bad.
Certain people have. Hoopla has. I have with my various wagons. CoolDog has. Hiraki has.In post 495, AGar wrote:Like half the game hasn't made any attempt to get their preferred wagon rolling. You're trying to act like there's been a bastion of positive motion in this game that just isn't there.Also lol @ the concept of me distancing. Lol.
Not really, no. I find it anti-town, for sure. But IME, lots of people are bad town players. So votes sit and rot because people don't wanna effort. Dominant personalities usually come in and direct shit and that's how things get done. Unless shit changed since I last played, I'm kinda just still hanging on to that notion.In post 496, gobbledygook wrote:It's ok. I forgive you,In post 495, AGar wrote:Incorrectly, apparently, but yes. That one's my bad.
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Certain people have. Hoopla has. I have with my various wagons. CoolDog has. Hiraki has.In post 495, AGar wrote:Like half the game hasn't made any attempt to get their preferred wagon rolling. You're trying to act like there's been a bastion of positive motion in this game that just isn't there.Also lol @ the concept of me distancing. Lol.
Do you not find it scummy that people let their vote rot on wagons they have no interest in actually accomplishing?
A lot of people say my playstyle is bad town play because it appears erratic and nonsensical to them, so that's why I generally try not to classify anything as bad town play.In post 497, AGar wrote:Why do you find it scummy and not just bad town play?
Right but just failing to push a town wincon forward does not make for scum play. So again, why do you specifically find that action scummy and find that it's AI instead of NAI?In post 498, gobbledygook wrote:A lot of people say my playstyle is bad town play because it appears erratic and nonsensical to them, so that's why I generally try not to classify anything as bad town play.In post 497, AGar wrote:Why do you find it scummy and not just bad town play?
I push anything that I think is not pushing a town wincondition forward.
