Open 779: Pick Your Power X/Y Game Over!

[JacksonVirgo]

Just a note: Please if you sign up for a game. Please PLEASE PLEASE Read the setup. How the game setup is is in the wiki Pick Your Power X/Y This should go without saying.

So who was the silly billy who didn’t understand how the setup worked

Speak now or forever lose your towncred

That may be me, I just brain farted. I've played it before

[JacksonVirgo]

Man, you guys are so focused on picking numbers, I just closed my eyes and hit a button on my number pad. Confirmed second most effective method to pick a number.

Everyone is all like "Think for optimization" and I'm just like "Thinking sucks!"

I just picked a random number O.O
Was I not supposed to? Oof

[JacksonVirgo]

i think this is a tvt spat
if i'm wrong it's on dunn but i'm not vibing it rn

I have the same reads as skitter currently, which is one more reason why i don't understand why she voted us in the first place.

Skitter, i think you know where i come from and what i'm trying to do here. We can play this game together, i'm fine with it.

UNVOTE: .

Partial readlist goes like this:

TOWNREADS

DonCorleone
Dunnstral

MECH TOWNLEANS

JacksonVirgo
Brassherald
Doctor Drew

MINOR TOWNLEANS

Skitter

NULL

Everyone else

Kerset is not a fan of Dunnstral though - noted for posterity, i don't believe dunnstral is using a scum agenda here. If i had to be early wary of someone, it would be the people who picked #2, but that's too wifomy to swallow

-Farkran

How am I not null when I haven't even posted at this time yet?

[JacksonVirgo]

Or is that because of the number I picked, oh god I am so in over my head

[JacksonVirgo]

Dunn seems to be overthinking the cop claim a bit(ftr, I don't love the timing of the claim but I want to let it breath a bit), but I do think Don is twisting Dunn's words and assuming his intentions a bit. I lean town on Dunn. And since I mentioned them, null to slight scum on Don, but as I said I want the claim to breath a bit before I am moved one way or another.

@Jackson virgo could you link some of your scum games please?

Can do, all my scum games on this site were in Newbie games. Majority of them were in the time where I thought i could play but couldn't so they ended in replacing out, I'll include one of those ones though too.

1993, Scum Win

1976, Scum Win (but replaced out early)

[JacksonVirgo]

Dunn seems to be overthinking the cop claim a bit(ftr, I don't love the timing of the claim but I want to let it breath a bit), but I do think Don is twisting Dunn's words and assuming his intentions a bit. I lean town on Dunn. And since I mentioned them, null to slight scum on Don, but as I said I want the claim to breath a bit before I am moved one way or another.

@Jackson virgo could you link some of your scum games please?

Can do, all my scum games on this site were in Newbie games. Majority of them were in the time where I thought i could play but couldn't so they ended in replacing out, I'll include one of those ones though too.

1993, Scum Win

1976, Scum Win (but replaced out early)

[JacksonVirgo]

I see Skitter as scum tbf, I'll post my replies to posts soon.

[JacksonVirgo]

Melody, I asked for scumreads and you only gave townreads...?

Also RC isn't in this game. (I'm prepared for a woooooosh if I'm missing an inside joke.)

RCEnigma's alt is in this game. I'm not outing him.

~Dawn

oh huh
this will kinda affect how i read that person

I don't know them at all lmfao, nice.

[JacksonVirgo]

like 1/2 are perceived as being risky by scum. i don't think they double-down and pick *two* numbers in that group

*Sorry if I randomly reply to a lot of posts, playing on mobile gives me errors*

Clarification, can scum talk during the draft? This assumes that everyone here has played this set up and would know that nuance as well, right?

Otherwise, I'm thinking choice of number wouldn't be alignment indicative, right?

a) yes scum can talk during the draft
b) idk what you mean by assuming that everyone here knows that nuance as well; scum would know that nuance when their pt was open, which is the important bit

Oh? The game I played I only knew my buddies as Mafia and didn't have contact with them at all until after the Draft finished.

[JacksonVirgo]

As for the smaller ones: Jackson, i lean on their entrance being genuine, which would make them town since scum should understand how the setup works after going thru the draft phase. Plus they admitted having played the setup before and still getting it wrong. it seems less likely to be a lie to me.

This seems somewhat pockety since I am a newer player compared to majority of you I assume, especially in this setup but I would have been just as confused as either alignment so sure it seems genuine but how is that AI as me being Town?

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh? The game I played I only knew my buddies as Mafia and didn't have contact with them at all until after the Draft finished.

idk did you play on this site?
the last two iterations i was scum in and we def had time to talk about the draft while it was ongoing

Nah I played on a different site but the link to the setup was the one linked here.

[JacksonVirgo]

I see Skitter as scum tbf, I'll post my replies to posts soon.

oh?

Yeah

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Skitt/Melody are partners
I have more reason to vote Melody because of their weird posts regarding my entrance and skitt is just gut as of right now and their posts have just been pinging me as anti-town in a reverse psycho kinda way I can't put my finger on it so I'll land my vote there.
VOTE: Melody

[JacksonVirgo]

i meant more: hi, why do you think i'm scummy here

OH, sorry.
I just get your posts as more manipulative and townie in a reverse-psychology way and I heard you were great at scum so I am extra cautious about each of your posts. Can't really put it into words

[JacksonVirgo]

Jacko reads as pretty genuine. Scum wouldn't be so clueless over the process given they would've been discussing it in the PT.

actually i'm not really sure i see that in jv here

oh?

(I copied you lel)

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel lonely now :c

[JacksonVirgo]

Are people scared of skitter because of her Moment of Brilliance? It's just one moment guys, pssh big deal.

~Dawn

nah that was a towngame, it's probably more winning dc and winning tm as scum

also i'm kinda gut-scumpinging you guys

What the heck does dc tm and gut-scumpinging mean?

[JacksonVirgo]

people are scared of me cuz i won don corleone for best scumgame a couple of years back + i'm the reason a scumteam actually won a team mafia game + i have good tone as scum generally

and melody just feels kinda gutscummy to me but idk why yet

I agree with Melody, but are you saying that because you have good tone as scum that I'm wrong? :thonk:

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh I misread. I still scum-read you

[JacksonVirgo]

I agree with Melody, but are you saying that because you have good tone as scum that I'm wrong? :thonk:

also are you saying you agree with me about melody or that you agree with something melody said?

I think Melody is scum, so I agree with you on that

[JacksonVirgo]

I agree with Melody, but are you saying that because you have good tone as scum that I'm wrong? :thonk:

also are you saying you agree with me about melody or that you agree with something melody said?

I think Melody is scum, so I agree with you on that

What do you disagree with in 273?

~Dawn

Nothing in that post specifically, but I'm fairly good at faking ignorance on specific mechanics etc as shown on my main FM site games so again what you're town-leaning me on is NAI

[JacksonVirgo]

I agree with Melody, but are you saying that because you have good tone as scum that I'm wrong? :thonk:

also are you saying you agree with me about melody or that you agree with something melody said?

I think Melody is scum, so I agree with you on that

What do you disagree with in 273?

~Dawn

Nothing in that post specifically, but I'm fairly good at faking ignorance on specific mechanics etc as shown on my main FM site games so again what you're town-leaning me on is NAI

Interesting! I want to pursue this because I'm trying to figure out if your paranoia is real. You said you would be "confused as either alignment so sure it seems genuine but how is that AI as me being Town" in 263. Now that we've established the confusion if genuine is town-indicative, what do you find us scummy for? Not checking your meta and seeing you're good at townslips?

~Dawn

I find it scummy how you've town-leaned me for little to nothing really from what I see and it seems like you're trying to pocket someone who probably would be the most vulnerable in addition to me being the first boi in the Draft.

[JacksonVirgo]

And how is it established that the genuine confusion is Town AI, when I just said that it's NAI?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm confused, I think it's best to like not break my brain with this random number stuff

[JacksonVirgo]

I still think Melody is trying to pocket

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't see how picking a random number is AI even with a discussion with mafia buddies. Is there like a specific way to abuse the Draft in a sense?

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't see how picking a random number is AI even with a discussion with mafia buddies. Is there like a specific way to abuse the Draft in a sense?

Mafia won't pick random numbers. They're going to go for unique numbers that preferably don't overlap (obv because otherwise they'd place low by picking the same number), and they'll probably have some discussion as to what numbers are least commonly picked and low... etc

~Dawn

Oh gotcha

[JacksonVirgo]

God, I find your tone so scummy, Drew :p

y tho

The two people who have pushed on accusing them more than others are now scummy to them (myself/drew)

[JacksonVirgo]

Isn't lynching based of setup analysis generally a bad thing over somewhat who is scummy or someone of which has the most associations?

[JacksonVirgo]

@alimdia re 338, wasn't the "need to find another vote" saying they want to vote someone besides Drew?

@jackson, do you still think Melody is pocketing you even after they explained their thought process?

VOTE: clemency

Yeah I do

[JacksonVirgo]

Going V/LA for the next two days. Probs

Noted

[JacksonVirgo]

At work, will post when I get home. Sorry about that guys

[JacksonVirgo]

Forgot about this game

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll post more later after work or during lunch break, but what I want to say is the Don asked jackson for his scum games when jackson was saying he picked a random number and other stuff.

I thought that meant Don was suspicious of Jackson, and took that as a TR on Don. However, Don has since been not analysing jackson's reply, so that read falls flat.

I didn't mention this before since I wanted to hear where Don was going with this, but it doesn't seem like he will be so...

Re:Don : Null in regards to his approach to jackson
Re: Jackson

Just a note: Please if you sign up for a game. Please PLEASE PLEASE Read the setup. How the game setup is is in the wiki Pick Your Power X/Y This should go without saying.

So who was the silly billy who didn’t understand how the setup worked

Speak now or forever lose your towncred

That may be me, I just brain farted. I've played it before

said played it before

Man, you guys are so focused on picking numbers, I just closed my eyes and hit a button on my number pad. Confirmed second most effective method to pick a number.

Everyone is all like "Think for optimization" and I'm just like "Thinking sucks!"

I just picked a random number O.O
Was I not supposed to? Oof

Or is that because of the number I picked, oh god I am so in over my head

but in future posts he seems really confused about the setup while repeatedly mentioning the word pocket

including this post:

As for the smaller ones: Jackson, i lean on their entrance being genuine, which would make them town since scum should understand how the setup works after going thru the draft phase. Plus they admitted having played the setup before and still getting it wrong. it seems less likely to be a lie to me.

This seems somewhat pockety since I am a newer player compared to majority of you I assume, especially in this setup but I would have been just as confused as either alignment so sure it seems genuine but how is that AI as me being Town?

I played the setup before briefly before needing to replace out. I have no idea about meta or anything like that regarding the setup, can we please just get off that?

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo has been prodded.

AH

[JacksonVirgo]

Just a sec sry
VOTE: alimdia

[JacksonVirgo]

Sup

Sup

-Farkran

Sup

-JacksonVirgo

[JacksonVirgo]

My lack of content comes down to me not knowing where to put my foot in, so I am sorry

[JacksonVirgo]

How caught up with the thread are you, jackson?

Like not at all... Sorry

[JacksonVirgo]

Sup

[JacksonVirgo]

Also:

Jv, doctor drew, datisi, dc, and nm really all need to do more

Ok

[JacksonVirgo]

It really sucks that the two most lurky slots have the highest score on the draft

Ill probably be better D2

[JacksonVirgo]

Yes lets hammer skitter

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Skitter
Yes yes, lets lynch this

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean really ...

Yes, die scum

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait he claimed neighbouriser and then the wagon disappeared? What page did this happen on and more significantly why does town claim neighbouriser if they have third pick?

Idk but why does scum pick neighborizer id they have the third pick

For this very argument(?)

[JacksonVirgo]

literally the only thing saving jackson from eating rope is being first in draft and that's sad

soon even that won't be enough

Cool story bro, I just don't have wim in this game. That will change when there is less people, every now and then that's just how I play with newer people I've never played with. Apologies

I make jokes to try and gain wim but it doesn't work. I do still scum-read Melody and skitter though.

[JacksonVirgo]

literally the only thing saving jackson from eating rope is being first in draft and that's sad

soon even that won't be enough

If jackson in first in the draft, and he's town, don't you think there is a ++chance scum are gonna target him making him self-resolved?

Doubtful, I'm mislynch-material for them and that right there is all I need for a few days.

[JacksonVirgo]

Can we quickly state the interest value of a melody lynch? 3 hours to deadline

-F

Personally I am all for that, however I haven't read the recent happenings of the game.

[JacksonVirgo]

literally the only thing saving jackson from eating rope is being first in draft and that's sad

soon even that won't be enough

Cool story bro, I just don't have wim in this game. That will change when there is less people, every now and then that's just how I play with newer people I've never played with. Apologies

I make jokes to try and gain wim but it doesn't work. I do still scum-read Melody and skitter though.

Hello I am Iconeum. You are gonna die tonight, probably. I am sorry.

All g, and no I wont

[JacksonVirgo]

Why are we assuming that scum PR drew doesn’t claim a partner’s PR for the WIFOM?

And if that partner were to die?

[JacksonVirgo]

What is "wim"?

I am very interested in a Melody lynch

@DC: Because claiming a partner's PR can easily drag 2 scum down instead of just 1

VOTE: Melody

Wim is like um, effort for a game in a sense? Sorry

[JacksonVirgo]

Night everyone

[JacksonVirgo]

it

You're prolly town because it's unlikely you and Aldus agreed to both pick 2.

Yeah I'm going to have to agree with this one, sadly.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Dunnstral, i think it's better to prioritize this given how much he insisted about the vig pick which was just now confirmed picked by town.

also n3 vig and 1s vig are different roles

What's the real difference except when you can shoot?

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m inclined to look offwagon as a jumping point

VOTE: jv

Fair. I personally think one scum is on-wagon and one is off.

[JacksonVirgo]

I counter claim cop

Oh, how nice, i sense another scum going down. Today it's dunn vs don i guess.

To be honest i thought DC claim was a joke, but since he went ahead with it, there's probably a high chance that he is the true cop. It doesn't make a lot of sense for DC to lock himself into a cop claim when he was nowhere near under pressure, on the other hand dunnstral is in a terrible position today and an attempt to wifom the true cop down seems a legit scum move.

I'm fine lynching dunnstral first. If you're town, you should claim your results.

-Farkran

Except why directly claim a role that you're not as scum? That's the easiest way to just die. I think one is fake-claiming Town and the other is the real person who picked the Cop/[whatever the second one was].

[JacksonVirgo]

i low-key think dunn could be town but not cop

I legit just said this

[JacksonVirgo]

Yes

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm just a PL at this point, oof.

[JacksonVirgo]

If I get to L-1 I'll claim but I'm not prior.

[JacksonVirgo]

Both Cops can stay alive for now

[JacksonVirgo]

It takes 7 to lynch, how the heck am I at L-1 techicially? With 3 votes + your 'spirit'.

[JacksonVirgo]

i looked at the last vote count and saw '5' and my brain did a thing

Lmfao, glorious.

[JacksonVirgo]

is donc back yet? no? ok have a nice day everyone

this

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you think that if scum had a PR and a Goon remaining, the Goon would attack? I believe so

[JacksonVirgo]

I checked JacksonVirgo, he's town

Uwu that helps a tonne

[JacksonVirgo]

Lol, it is funny because I think about how I switched off of Ald at the last minute, looks terrible.

I also can't help but notice that DonC is not on Ald, was he ever on Ald?

Nah you’re scum trying to hide the fact you fucced up

[JacksonVirgo]

jv why are you so scummy this game ?

I was trying to act scummy so I wouldn't be targeted my the mafia kill tbch, but then I have been busy so my activity has just dropped on this game and thus my posts seem scummy. That's just what happens, uwu.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd still much rather lynch doncorleone today. I don't want him anywhere near lylo.

ok
dc is scum fake-claiming cop ... what does he think the real cop is going to do ... not check him? is he just gambling from like p2 that there isn't a cop?

walk me through what scum!dc is thinking all game

I thought DC claim was a meme until he offered a inno on CSF. That was the moment when i stopped believing it was a meme a considered DC as a true cop because town lying about innos should never happen if you actually care about winning the game.

As an obvious (since DC isn't a true cop) consequence of that statement, Dunnstral counterclaimed, then DC retracted the claim. As a result, now we have an outed cop and no more info than we had before. This is a perfect situation for a scum gambit if they couldn't get their hands on the good roles - maybe they didn't expect to lose one of their own d1 and doncorleone wanted to bait a counterclaim assuming that only he would fall, but once the cogs started running they had to continue with the plan regardless of d1 result.

It's not just a mech or policy lynch though, doncorleone played antitown + has a terrible vote progression + why wasn't he killed n1? Unfortunately this is also true for dunn, except that dunn would have never been killed n1

Anyways, now DC will never be nk'ed, so we will meet in lylo unless we win earlier, which is not a bet i am willing to make. DC must be removed today, Dunn must be protected without getting blocked (hence why the jailkeeper should claim now) and offer results each day.

-Farkran

How do we know there's a JK?

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would the JK/Tracker need to claim? If they're generally a town-read player wouldn't them in the shadows benefit us?

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would the JK/Tracker need to claim? If they're generally a town-read player wouldn't them in the shadows benefit us?

As long as they soft their results in case they die ofc

[JacksonVirgo]

Also what are the chances that the two remaining mafia are goons lel

[JacksonVirgo]

Claiming Cop is reckless and a terrible decision, I am not confident it's scum motivated. Especially when having a cc will get a clear with it (me uwu)

[JacksonVirgo]

Unless they are confident the Doctor is not there (aka scum took it) and expected mafia not to be lynched D1 to sacrifice themselves to kill the Cop.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would I vote someone I don't believe to be scum?

[JacksonVirgo]

@mod: It's also Farkset, not Farkran.

I DEMAND EQUAL REPRESENTATION FOR KERSET.

But I did fix the name >.>

R.I.P BBCode

[JacksonVirgo]

ngl probably NM

[JacksonVirgo]

I have no idea where my vote is even when the VC is right there, I am too lazy to scroll
VOTE: Not mafia

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah I wasn't lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would I vote someone I don't believe to be scum?

DonC is a lylo wifom nightmare, and is his own doing. Fuck off telling me he had town motivation.

That's best case scenario.

More likely than not, scum who tried really hard to out a PR.

Except why. 1 for 1'ing like that is -ev as all heck.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would I vote someone I don't believe to be scum?

DonC is a lylo wifom nightmare, and is his own doing. Fuck off telling me he had town motivation.

That's best case scenario.

More likely than not, scum who tried really hard to out a PR.

Except why. 1 for 1'ing like that is -ev as all heck.

-ev?

DonC got caught in a lie. When he was exposed he tried to spin it as Dunn was stupid for making his claim, pure deflection.

Also, notice how DonC has been barely posting? When scum is caught the smart move is to just ghost the game, don't give any extra info.

Negative expected value

[JacksonVirgo]

Dc you really should not have done that. It sounded like a fake-claim, especially the checking csf bit
I think they're both town despite that tho

Fark i dont get the benefit of having jk claim but not the doc/rb slot

VOTE: datisi

if donC flips scum, we are lynching you next I think

No

[JacksonVirgo]

I am green-checked lad, lock-town this ass

[JacksonVirgo]

I am the first in the draft and I'm cleared by the Cop. Does that mean I'll likely die tonight, and if so should I claim? uwu I'm cit

[JacksonVirgo]

Kk

[JacksonVirgo]

Can we cfd to Not_Mafia?

[JacksonVirgo]

DoctorPepper visited someone and they claim to be roleblocked? They didn’t visit the kill so they’re confirmed Town so there’s no use holding my claim anymore

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh it’s over lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

Ha it was actually NotMafia like I said glorious

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s me, I played on an alt

[JacksonVirgo]

That’s a joke