lange nonal 227 OHHH!!!! OHHH!!!!! ITS OVER OHHHHHH!!!! OHHH

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YO

Vote: VOtato

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i kinda suspected the day hadnt started yet, but the thread was open, so i posted

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i so u anit that late. fars and nadh on my radar till i have sorted them VOTE: nowr alore is null to me untill i see where the game gos

Please lay off the drugs while playing mafia.

this is bad advice, dont listen to this

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VOTE: Gobble

Quick everyone vote gobble before he flies over and gobbles all up in a unidentifiable way. He is that mysterious. All should fear teh gobble turkey

vote: bob3141

this is a serious vote for the unironically typing the phrase "teh gobble turkey"

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*rips bong*

u guys know space is fake

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its so good its almost frightening

i like your avatar a lot man

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RQS Questions
1. Are you scum?
2. What are some of your recent games?
3. What is your favorite role?

1. no
2. have to go back to 2018
3. orange goo

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hes probably just vt trolling if i had to guess

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i dont think post restrictions fall under normal guidelines

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Schadd, is it possible for post restrictions on a normal?

facepalm

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in a large game like this, picking some VI to quicklynch isn't a bad idea day 1.

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nah hoctac is my biggest tr right now

i think he should go back to hils original posting style

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hes probably just vt trolling if i had to guess

Weird of you to bring up that you specifically believe he was vanilla town trolling. Don’t you think his push on me was weird?

i think you're weird. fucking norwegian.

The Dane should stay out of this. Can’t you see i’m trying to harrass Popopopopo here? Don’t disturb us.

harass me harder daddy

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what do yuo mean Bob teh fact is i just type very fast soemtiems

absolutely based the fucking madman

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excellent

vote: word321

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Heya, it has been ages since I have played, have not looked at the the votes yet so give me a moment before making a crap RVS vote that is not an accidental hammer. Good work getting to page 8.

nice avatar, love me some city pop

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happy with this wagon, posts look very forced.

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uh oh

vote: manatee

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being dishonest about unimportant stuff like meme questions from meme players before even page 10 is scummy

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Curious why did you vote manatee if you felt the way you did about word?

i looked at his other games. he has a labored posting style. after that wall im finding it hard seeing the scum case against him.

manatee's mixed reactions to norcs questioning feels like a better lead.

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Curious why did you vote manatee if you felt the way you did about word?

i looked at his other games. he has a labored posting style. after that wall im finding it hard seeing the scum case against him.

manatee's mixed reactions to norcs questioning feels like a better lead.

i meant hoctac's questioning, dont know why i said norc, had just woken up...

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i see the same awkwardness in newbie 1999 where word was town that I see here. im not gonna get hung up on defending him tho

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were not lynching farside day 1 felllas dont be ridiculous, now if she hasn't been nightkilled by like day 3 then we can seriously look at the situation

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i see the same awkwardness in newbie 1999 where word was town that I see here. im not gonna get hung up on defending him tho

Who do you want to bandwagon then?

i dont really know. word ive said my piece on. manatee was caught in a strange contradiction but im not sure theres much else there. pick someone

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ok lol, i just checked the ISO and im actually fine with this

vote:madonna

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u could quote the entire iso and it'd be a pretty damn strong case

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madonna wagon is also bad, 191 is fine and their vote is literally an RVS vote to run someone up. that's how RVS works.

No vote count update since the initial? I will not be RVS voting, it seems, since by the time I catch up reading, I am going to have opinions.

Samsies, po7x.

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Heya, it has been ages since I have played, have not looked at the the votes yet so give me a moment before making a crap RVS vote that is not an accidental hammer. Good work getting to page 8.

No vote count update since the initial? I will not be RVS voting, it seems, since by the time I catch up reading, I am going to have opinions.

Samsies, po7x.

Only hit page 6 as of now, lamest thing I have seen thus far is the question @mod about post restriction roles being a thing. If they exist in a normal game, are they alignment indicative? Doubtful, unless you want to go way off base and assume out of several post restriction roles, some are town, some are scum, and that is now your voting pool. Like, that is wild.

madonna's entrance to the game feels extremely belabored. after all the rigmarole, i was expecting at least a scumread. instead we get this.

It turns out, eight pages of voting has not already put anyone in dire straits. We can fix that.

VOTE: word321

states word's question to the mod was "lame". i agree it was lame, not really scummy tho. if the question is so bad, why link a wiki page to answer it?

word321: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Under Setup, the red bit about non-normal mechanics.

Less ManateeDude, more word321. I felt we were getting somewhere.

then he says this, seems quite sure of his vote on word, despite not really giving any reason. this is the damning post for me. getting on an early day 1 speedwagon? no problem. defending that speedwagon against another speedwagon for no reason? no no

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I feel like you guys are going to spend a lot of time fighting about a few posts by me that indicate nothing. The quick answer to everything is: we should focus on somebody, yes, and yes, that can be if you would like, and yes, I think that being the third? wagon suggests that none of you seem to want to anchor your votes much for long.

Why not word321? Why not ManateeDude? I like keeping votes still because you get to draw information from the people not on board with the primary wagon. Is word321/ManateeDude/Madonna so-and-so's scummate? You could find out if you stopped a moment and let that pressure build, even let it get to L-1. Then people drop off, find different scumspects, and things evaporate, and that has even happened here without L-1 wagons, but with less results.

do you have any reads

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hey norwe, im town this game, theres no need to fret

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@Popopopopopopo
Do you believe your post 334 is making good points in favor of scum!Madonna?

i think its a good case for this early in a large. i dont see a better one thus far

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then he says this, seems quite sure of his vote on word, despite not really giving any reason. this is the damning post for me. getting on an early day 1 speedwagon? no problem. defending that speedwagon against another speedwagon for no reason? no no

Why on earth is that a "no no"? Is there a big difference between joining a initial "speedwagon" vs joining a newer wagon?
And do you really believe the wagon on Word could be called something of the same caliber as the votes on Manateedude? "Speedwagons" you call them. The wagon on ManateeDude was very weak vs the wagon on Word that had actual merit. From Madonna’s POV. It makes perfect sense to argue for less votes on what they perceive to be a horrible wagon on a townread, vs an actually good wagon on a scummy individual.

i think this is a good point, and i give you town points for it.

but madonna never says word is scummy, never points to a post of word's or gives a reason why he thinks word is scummy, he just hops on with the reason that "noone is in dire straits". so i think you are misrepresenting madonna's position as being on a "good wagon on a scummy individual", because madonna never makes the case that it's a good wagon. i agree with word that madonna's was easily the weakest vote on his wagon.

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9 TO LYNCH JESUS CHRIST

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trecko=sailor moon now i believe

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only a scum deals in absolutes

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lol your push is stupid.

this kinda feels like scum who think's he's being pushed for the wrong reasons?

idk the tone... almost like yes im scum but the meta read is bullshit

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1. Nope.
2. Mininormal 2125
3. Not sure.

From tone I have hoctac and norwee likely town and manatee likely scum.

I don't get what is wrong with manatee??

Not a strong read but,
Nothing of his rings townie, and I particularly see this post coming from scum.

while we r at it, lets try to make communications clean and fluid
the more content we have, the better
if we need to translate every 2 posts, we r looseing possibilities on interactions

dont like this post it screams "im towny"

in a large game like this, picking some VI to quicklynch isn't a bad idea day 1.

While I dont like the idea behind this post im inclined to believe it comes from town for now

hum, that post seems more townie than scummy than me
idk how good my tone reading is though

hum, that post seems more townie than scummy than me
idk how good my tone reading is though

What's your thoughts on stan1ey?

I like what he is doing so far. He is clarifying stuff and also trying to scumhunt(votato)
He said he was really good at scum though, but I still tl stan1ey

I like what he is doing so far. He is clarifying stuff and also trying to scumhunt(votato)
He said he was really good at scum though, but I still tl stan1ey

Similar to what I was thinking when I read his iso so far. His answers to questions all seem natural.

The more word talks the more I like his progression.

i reread the thread and this interaction stuck out to me. reads like 2 scum players lightly prodding it each other.

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hi im town this game if you vote for me that's negative gaming, not a normal mafiascum experience.

VOTE: farside22

VOTE: midwaybear
:Thinking:

VOTE: Gobble

Quick everyone vote gobble before he flies over and gobbles all up in a unidentifiable way. He is that mysterious. All should fear teh gobble turkey

hi im town this game if you vote for me that's negative gaming, not a normal mafiascum experience.

VOTE: farside22

VOTE: midwaybear
:Thinking:

VOTE: Gobble

Quick everyone vote gobble before he flies over and gobbles all up in a unidentifiable way. He is that mysterious. All should fear teh gobble turkey

in a large game like this, picking some VI to quicklynch isn't a bad idea day 1.

I disagree? I mean we probably will end up lynching a VI, but I don't think we should quicklynch.

hes probably just vt trolling if i had to guess

Weird of you to bring up that you specifically believe he was vanilla town trolling. Don’t you think his push on me was weird?

i think you're weird. fucking norwegian.

yeah sure
however, I am a bit cautious. I don't really see anything too out of the blue with word's current posts compared to his standard town meta

Not a strong read but,
Nothing of his rings townie, and I particularly see this post coming from scum.

while we r at it, lets try to make communications clean and fluid
the more content we have, the better
if we need to translate every 2 posts, we r looseing possibilities on interactions

dont like this post it screams "im towny"

in a large game like this, picking some VI to quicklynch isn't a bad idea day 1.

While I dont like the idea behind this post im inclined to believe it comes from town for now

hum, that post seems more townie than scummy than me
idk how good my tone reading is though

I don't get what is wrong with manatee??

1. Nope.
2. Mininormal 2125
3. Not sure.

From tone I have hoctac and norwee likely town and manatee likely scum.

hum, that post seems more townie than scummy than me
idk how good my tone reading is though

What's your thoughts on stan1ey?

yeah sure
however, I am a bit cautious. I don't really see anything too out of the blue with word's current posts compared to his standard town meta

This is both "gratuitous" and was umprompted; theres no reason to do this as scum, and constitutes my first somewhat serious tl.

yikers a bad post in reference to a bad post. scumception.

idk bc that's a fucking

wild

post if they're both mafia but i sure do hate them both!

game is strange. normally i feel like im townreading too many people and have to adjust, now i feel like im scumreading too many people. who would like to be part of the townbloc? apply now.

VOTE: word321

is it just me or are this games vibes weird?

hey friend manateedude i'd like to know what u meant by this, if you are able to elaborate.

always like when im reading up and someone seems to have the same read i was having. farside22 i hereby officially invite u to my townbloc. everyone else must Apply Now.

Farside and Nahdia? Sure, I'll join.

VOTE: Word

your application has been accepted.

I think I lost track of the votes by now.

At least we got outside lylo

.
A lot of new faces. R yall trying to apparent activity with this?

Only hit page 6 as of now, lamest thing I have seen thus far is the question @mod about post restriction roles being a thing. If they exist in a normal game, are they alignment indicative? Doubtful, unless you want to go way off base and assume out of several post restriction roles, some are town, some are scum, and that is now your voting pool. Like, that is wild.

At least this is

somehing

I can talk about. This is by far an overstretch. There were questions about it; in fact,

if any of u know about it, pls anser the question, cause I still dnt know the answer

. It had NOTHING to do with trecko, or almost nothing; it was a question about the format.
Ive alredy stated this is my first normal game; this feels forced, and is on the "golden range"; the wagon is being formed, and u r in a confortable position of not having initated it nor being in a position of being a decisive vote for the lynch.
VOTE: Madonna

Not sure if further explanation will do me good or sink me deeper

But really.

VOTE: word

What is your reason for scum reading word?

So what woudl you ahve done then farside in teh two situations

one where gooble inst fake claiming

two where gooble is genuine
?

Also why did you want to dig as to what teh claim was. Did you think it could be scum fake claiming mason. And if so why do did you think that farside?

VOTE: Madonna
oh yeah

lol I'm down

I also have a slight scum read on ND for 173 followed with post 177 reads buddish. Not sure why he felt the need to ask the question to mid about a town read and then just agreeing with him. Felt very much like mid should take a shower after getting hit on my someone gross.

I've buddied much harder multiple times.
The goal was more so to get thoughts out of midway because I'm more comfortable in my a ability to read him then other players. He went from a slight scumlean to probably town.

ok fine
besides you, I agree with hoctac. Don't really like why Albert is fine with letting others decide his vote

I see youre very quick to drop opinions. Noted

I don't like people who don't like people who share thoughts for the reason that they shared thoughts.

I think my main gripe against the Madonna wagon at the moment is that most of the slots voting there are scummy, so i'm not touching it with a 3 foot pole.

You're the only townie person on the word wagon right now?

but madonna never says word is scummy, never points to a post of word's or gives a reason why he thinks word is scummy, he just hops on with the reason that "noone is in dire straits". so i think you are misrepresenting madonna's position as being on a "good wagon on a scummy individual", because madonna never makes the case that it's a good wagon. i agree with word that madonna's was easily the weakest vote on his wagon.

If word said that madonna's vote is easily the weakest vote on his wagon, that's scummy in itself because my vote was as weak if not weaker. As such, I'm okay with leaving it on word.

Why are you still joking like it is RVS

speak of the devil and all that. will catch up now. thinking of trying some good ol' fashion {Ranger Brackets}

ftr i try to limit my posting in games to a specific window each day. helps me enjoy the game a lot more and not burnout by constantly thinking about the game.

i would lightly prod you, popopo

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whoops i accidentalyl clicked submit on my multiquote, apolgies. ignore that.

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hi im town this game if you vote for me that's negative gaming, not a normal mafiascum experience.

VOTE: farside22

VOTE: midwaybear
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VOTE: Gobble

Quick everyone vote gobble before he flies over and gobbles all up in a unidentifiable way. He is that mysterious. All should fear teh gobble turkey

these 3 were the worst rvs votes to me. nahdia's hi im town, i dont really understand the second part of that sentence.
looks forced
i started my dislike of bob's entrance at the time, still feel this way.

Not sure if further explanation will do me good or sink me deeper

in retrospect, this post looks quite town.

but madonna never says word is scummy, never points to a post of word's or gives a reason why he thinks word is scummy, he just hops on with the reason that "noone is in dire straits". so i think you are misrepresenting madonna's position as being on a "good wagon on a scummy individual", because madonna never makes the case that it's a good wagon. i agree with word that madonna's was easily the weakest vote on his wagon.

If word said that madonna's vote is easily the weakest vote on his wagon, that's scummy in itself because my vote was as weak if not weaker. As such, I'm okay with leaving it on word.

big town energy here

i would lightly prod you, popopo

in my ass?

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gonna post some reads

votato-town
aloratom - town
norwee - town
hoctac - town
manatee - probably town
farside - probably town, but im wary


word - null, his posts are kinda grating tho (no offense)
ABR - null, need more from this apparently legendary figure
stan1ey - hasn't left much of an impression
gobbledygook - meh

madonna - still dont like his early posts, but ill be taking my vote off soon as i have bigger fish to fry

bob3141 - as i said, his defense to farside feels off. doesn't town just go "lol meta" and move on? thats what i would do if someone made a meta case like that. if farside really cherrypicked the games id hope he can go into more detail to back up this accusation.

ndmath - i already pointed to his interaction with midwaybear, which felt very off and most certainly not two townies genuinely questioning each other. i think farside scumread at one point too, not my strongest scumread tho atm.


nahdia - scum

yeah sure
however, I am a bit cautious. I don't really see anything too out of the blue with word's current posts compared to his standard town meta

This is both "gratuitous" and was umprompted; theres no reason to do this as scum, and constitutes my first somewhat serious tl.

yikers a bad post in reference to a bad post. scumception.

idk bc that's a fucking

wild

post if they're both mafia but i sure do hate them both!

game is strange. normally i feel like im townreading too many people and have to adjust, now i feel like im scumreading too many people. who would like to be part of the townbloc? apply now.

VOTE: word321

this is nahdia's real post-rvs entrance to the thread. they immediately buddy up to farside by virtue of having the same scumread as her. I also hate how nahdia says they are townreading too many people, feels like scum trying to be friendly and make everyone feel comfortable around them. do not like.

is it just me or are this games vibes weird?

hey friend manateedude i'd like to know what u meant by this, if you are able to elaborate.

always like when im reading up and someone seems to have the same read i was having. farside22 i hereby officially invite u to my townbloc. everyone else must Apply Now.

Farside and Nahdia? Sure, I'll join.

VOTE: Word

your application has been accepted.

now this post i find to be pretty bad also. the "oh what a surprise farside and i have the same reads" is super fake and disengenous IMO. no way nahdia didnt read the damn thread before the first post made voting word. i also think the joking establishment of a townbloc is more attempts to buddy up to the two most experienced players in this game (farside and rampage) i didnt really like the reads post nahdia made either

but nahdia isn't my main concern

midwaybear- really poor ISO imo. lets go over some stuff.

pahls ley off te durgs

trying to decipher what you're trying to say is harder than the reading comprehension section on certain standardized tests
My best guess is that you're asking how good our scum games are.
My answer: I like to think that it's good, but it's probably not

I will do my best to decipher whatever language Hoctac is speaking

It is a gimmick
we would appreciate it if you speak like you normally do
pedit: yeah

this stuff reads like busywork, overemphasis on the typos and meme posting common at the start of day 1, especially in a large. great way to be active in thread and look busy/helpful without contributing to town wincon.

in a large game like this, picking some VI to quicklynch isn't a bad idea day 1.

I disagree? I mean we probably will end up lynching a VI, but I don't think we should quicklynch.

ok, if we probably end up lynching a VI as u say, whats the problem with a quicklynch. also, midwaybear would go on to contradict himself later on

yeah sure
however, I am a bit cautious. I don't really see anything too out of the blue with word's current posts compared to his standard town meta

this was a lie, he didnt check word's meta. he had one game played with him, so referencing "standard town meta" is disingenuous at best.

Ok, so Hoctac was basically trolling us
Dunno what to think about that :/

hoctac was trolling us good town players frowny face :/
please

Hmm that actually is an interesting contradiction you pointed out.
VOTE: Manatee

I feel like manatee's explanation doesn't make sense which is why my vote is still o him

i cant talk since i also voted manatee, but that shit was wack we can all look back and agree

OK NOW THIS PART I FIND ESPECIALLY SKETCHY, I DIDNT QUOTE EVERY POST IN ORDER BUT HERE IS THE IMPORTANT PART

VOTE: madonna

VOTE: Madonna
oh yeah

We had a solid bandwagon on word, and a competing miniwagon with manatee. I think that's sufficient information for day 2, all considered.

I'm just tired of 80 page day 1s where every town role is outted and scum can pick the PRs apart...….every damn time.

lol I'm down

HOW IS THIS NOT A DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO MIDBEAR SAYING TO ME HE DOESN'T WANT A QUICKLYNCH IN POST #132?? HE HAS COMPLETELY SHIFTED HIS OPINION AND NOW HE IS ALL LIKE "LOL IM DOWN" WHEN IT COMES TO SPEEDWAGON ON MADONNA, AFTER PREVIOUSLY SAYING HE DOESNT THINK WE SHOULD MISLYNCH. VERY SUS

Why are you still joking like it is RVS

this shit i dont like either. admonishing someone for joking around, then 6 posts later he posts a smiley.

I think manatee shouldn't be pushed from his explanations. I still do not see his logic, but I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't really have much on the others, but I like stan1ey too because he is pushing people and trying to find contradictions.

here is another post when he harps on about this stanley townread again for some unknown reason.

LOOK THROUGH HIS ISO AND FIND ME A SCUMREAD, FIND ME JUST ONE. midwaybear voted manatee for a shit reason, and then hopped on the madonna wagon, which i and abr joked about being a speed wagon, right after stating he doesn't want a speedlynch.

so

vote: midwaybear

i feel good about this

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YEA ID SAY IM COMFORTABLE WITH MY VOTE

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the busywork thing: You can basically say that for everyone during RVS, so I don't know why this is even a point. It could be seen as scum fake contributing, but look at it like an introduction.

no, u made 4-5 posts about the typos, it was forced.

VI comment: I thought VI meant village innocent, but I realize now that you meant it as village idiot.
word meta: I mean town metas do not really change too much
hoctac: idk what u are trying to say here srry
manatee: I backed off of manatee
madonna: lol Idk what I was thinking there. TBH, madonna was never in danger of getting lynched.

so you have no explanation for why you changed your position on quicklynching? madonna was at 5 votes at one point IIRC

hypocrisy: sorry
stan1ey: someone asked me for my reads, so I that's why I mentioned stan1ey
scumread: they will come do not worry

ok give us just 1 scumread then lmfao

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no, u made 4-5 posts about the typos, it was forced.

it was pretty annoying. you gotta agree
idk who I scumread yet sorry

give it a shot, 1 scumread

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in a large game like this, picking some VI to quicklynch isn't a bad idea day 1.

I disagree? I mean we probably will end up lynching a VI, but I don't think we should quicklynch.

This is midway's VI post which Albert is mixing up the details of.

its actually worse if he thought i meant village innocent because he is super down for a quicklynch 7 pages later when he votes madonna with rampage and I

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ok lol, i just checked the ISO and im actually fine with this

vote:madonna

VOTE: Madonna

——

Far side, I’m not masons with Word. I just think he’s town for that long post he mad. I think Norwee is town too.

VOTE: madonna

VOTE: Madonna
oh yeah

like they were 3 pretty light votes on madonna, then he hopped right in there, just 7 pages after making this post

in a large game like this, picking some VI to quicklynch isn't a bad idea day 1.

I disagree? I mean we probably will end up lynching a VI, but I don't think we should quicklynch.

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But you were also down for that quicklynch Popopo.

hell yea brother i wanted a quicklynch from the start. since that cleary wasnt happening i decided to knuckle down and PLAY SOME FUCKIN MAFIA

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yea, i would like an explanation for why you townread midway farside

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midway's response was garbage and my case was rock solid. more votes please

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i actually said the exact opposite. read again:

haha really, would you look at that, crazy. my apologies.

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I Am Going To Be Very Suspicious if popopopopo suddenly loses interest in midwaybear.

my reads are quite fluid and change often based on rereads of portions of the game, and the ongoing situation. i find this post pretty scummy tbh, almost reads like a threat but it isnt...

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thanks for getting on midway tho!

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????

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ok lol

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what

players can change their reads. changing reads can be towny. but scum often change their reads when they make a case on a partner to create distance, and towntell in the process.
and i think it's pretty transparent that my point was to try and make popopo stick to midway. it WAS a threat

ok so im scum with midway, and for some reason i posted a big old wall on him and voted him, when he had zero pressure from anyone else in thread. makes sense. and i can get off a wagon anytime i want, you shouldnt be trying to control how town players push their reads and if the reads change... yikes

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nahdia is super sus TBH

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i will say that an ongoing problem for me is mistaking new players for scum. the blatant contradiction in mdiway's attitude towards quick-lynching definitely exists. his defense was also bad. but the way he just accepts the contradiction and says i guess im a hypocrite, i just got caught up for a second, sorry. that is giving me second thoughts, as it seems kinda genuine.

hypocrisy: sorry

like this, does this really come from a pressured new scum player? im not so sure.


plus nahdia's posting since my wall has just been bizarre, i agree completely with farside that the reads post they made was bad, and the justifications after farside's pushing was poor. i was gonna go more in depth on nahdia on my wall but farside had made many points already about the reads post and i didnt wanna be redundant. i really don't understand the bussing angle they are trying to push, and don't really see it coming from town. i apologize to everyone for the rapid vote switch but what u gonna do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

vote:nahdia

i was also thinking me and albert were mind-melding pretty well yesterday, but his defense of nahdia is really weird, and has no justification as well. i was really stoned at like 3am last night and i got the feeling that albert was pocketing me and egging along my midway wagon, and that maybe it wasn't genuine from him. might be just late night grass induced paranoia tho...i hope my reasoning is clear.

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illl happily hammer bob, day 1 is a crapshoot anyway. i just hate meta cases and i dont care to read a bunch of different games.

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the quickhammer was unfortunate but id probably have hammered myself if mans had claimed even night ascetic alien lmfao so its not THAT big a deal

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vote: nahdia

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ima assume sk looking at the night kills tho we could have a really dumb vig

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VOTE: nahdia

what happened yesterday with bob, i thought u were elite scumhunter

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THATS L-2, PLEASE CHILL WITH THE VOTES UNTIL EVERYONE CAN CHECK IN

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didn't realize it was l-1. i wouldn't hammer without a claim. sorry bob :\

voyeur. hoctac was killed by a killing action (lol)

I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE LYNCHING THIS

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Seems like such an unusual claim if Nahdia is scum. So i find it believable.

what??? its a pr claim thats unconfirmable because it was on a dead person, and theres zero chance of anyone cc'ing


IF YOU TRACKED/WATCHED/ANYTHING ELSE NAHDIA TO HOCTAC LAST NIGHT DO NOT CLAIM

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i dont see why me targeting a dead player is any more easy to fake than any living player. hoctac was still a valid target last night.

cuz he flipped, so it is easier to make up something compared to if you targeted a living player

didn't realize it was l-1. i wouldn't hammer without a claim. sorry bob :\

voyeur. hoctac was killed by a killing action (lol)

I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE LYNCHING THIS

i don't

?????? THESE TWO ARE ALMOST CERTAINLY PARTNERS

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popo chill with the all caps

if you view the claim as suspicious why are you not comfortable with a lynch?

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THIS IS FUCKING BS THEY CLAIMED A SHITTY PR AND TARGETED THE NIGHT KILL

LYNCH IT WITH FIRE

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THIS IS FUCKING BS THEY CLAIMED A SHITTY PR AND TARGETED THE NIGHT KILL

LYNCH IT WITH FIRE

Wouldn't scum!Nahdia claim something better if they wanted to be townread?

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? this is pure WIFOM

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Or are you saying scum!Nahdia intentionally chose to say they targeted Hoctac (One of the deaths) with a worthless night action as mafia?

nahdia was fairly scumread yesterday by me and a few others. if scum nahdia claimed visiting a different person they would be at risk of a tracker/watcher/other PR disproving their claim and getting immediately lynched. what do you think a better claim for scum nahdia would be in this situation, assuming they made the NK?

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i dont really want the above question answered tbh

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picture this situation
someone claims tracker - i tracked nahdia to hoctac

nahdia "oh yea im a voyeur hoctac was killed lol"

would be lynched

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i agree midway looks scummy here but nahdia is far worse

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We have bigger fish to fry. We need information, connections, competing bandwagons right now. I was in this exact same situation in Guns and Roses IV where we had to decide between eyestot/votato and even though we lynched correctly we lost the game. Sometimes, the optimal town play is to go after the stronger scum manipulating from the shadows rather than the lynchbaits.

do you think nahdia is scum y/n

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We have bigger fish to fry. We need information, connections, competing bandwagons right now. I was in this exact same situation in Guns and Roses IV where we had to decide between eyestot/votato and even though we lynched correctly we lost the game. Sometimes, the optimal town play is to go after the stronger scum manipulating from the shadows rather than the lynchbaits.

do you think nahdia is scum y/n

He said he was town reading her day 1. I don't know why because he won't explain.

why did you take ur vote off. i cant believe im the only one who doesn't see the obv scum staring us in the face from that claim.

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like i mean i'll vote midway, but at this point im as confident as i can be on a scumread without like, a confirmed guilty

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VOTE: popopopopopopo still on this.

My point on him overjustifying his case on midway stands. it's an exquisitely scummy case. just a mess of "contradictions" and objective scum moves (the VI thing). in my experience, hunting for contradictions is how mafia pretends to scumhunt. fun fact, town contradicts themselves too. the only fair point popopopopopo raises is that midway wasn't actually outting reads.

also Big Fucking Yikes on 717. please tell me im not the only one that viscerally cringed at that post. like come on.

hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha

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whatever, ill gladly switch my vote to midway once everyone checks in if we cant get more people on the nahdia wagon, i was thinking there's a chance he's just noob town but the norwe stuff the last few pages was bad for him for sure

pedit: what votato said

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We have bigger fish to fry. We need information, connections, competing bandwagons right now. I was in this exact same situation in Guns and Roses IV where we had to decide between eyestot/votato and even though we lynched correctly we lost the game. Sometimes, the optimal town play is to go after the stronger scum manipulating from the shadows rather than the lynchbaits.

do you think nahdia is scum y/n

Yeah I thought she was scum. The claim could be fake, it could be real, all I know is that lynching nahdia today won't win us the game and while I'm alive I'd like to make some fucking progress on solving.

how does lynching scum not progress the town win con lol

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Popo is town, I want to see a push on farside. gobble, stanley... there's too many question marks right now and we're all getting distracted.

im not distracted i have caught scum, they made a terrible fakeclaim, now i am pushing their lynch

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scumteam of Nahdia, midway, ABR, ?????


could it be that easy?

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scumteam of Nahdia, midway, ABR, ?????


could it be that easy?

the answer is probably not, but rampage's play has been strange and makes no sense to me rn

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1v1 between you and Nahdia is a premium animal crossing level distraction. Popo you have no fucking clue what's going on and neither do I because of the stupid bob wagon yesterday.

Ever had a poorly skilled scum win a game because of a lurkerhunt? I have.

Let me preface this article with How to Direct your Attention on Scum 101, in three simple steps:

1. Focus on the player that needs to be lynched. If a player catches your attention, concentrate on them. Probe, ask innocent questions, predict how the next stage of the game will unfold and ask them what they will do if such a situation arises. Surround them with their own convictions and corner them into their own self-imposed molds of accepted behavior. You want them to build a tree house for you to destroy later.
2. Don't lose sight. Ignore other players' inquiries if their questions don't move you closer to lynching your target player. Take things further. Get an emotional reaction out of your victim by heavily accusing them of scum backed by whatever evidence you have. It should be 50% evidence, 50% accusation. You should make it clear to your suspect that you will never change your mind about them, and you will do anything to get them lynched, every day, every page, every damn post. This will work to your advantage. Keep the ball on your court, rob the scum of their dominance and place them in a frame of survival. This way, you are exploiting the maximum bussing potential of a scumteam.
3. Do not justify your focus. Never justify your single-mindedness. If you present it as part of your personality, players will likely just go with it. Present your case and state your intentions, but never justify the jewel of your focal point. The reason for this is simple: you want to make the game about your victim, not about your obsessiveness with that person. The line between the two is slim but it makes a world of difference.


what the hell happened to this albert b rampage

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i dont know who this is battle mage guy is but he sounds like a cool dude

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nahdia's claim protects them counterclaims (tracker etc.), also voyeur is not a very useful role and is easier to continue fakeclaiming later into the game than other roles because u can just be like blah blah was not visited.

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i am unironically the most obvtown player in this game. more votes on nahdia please.

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this is so dumb we have caught scum in nahdia. STOP!!!!

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i wrote the book on midway scum this game, and i am telling you nahdia is the better lynch.

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we have a vig to take care of it. We don't learn that much from the lynch. If nahdia is scum, then scum will be able to freely bus and we can't trust the wagon

I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF WE HAVE A DAMN VIG. THE VIG PROBABLY SHOT MANATEE SO THEYVE ALREADY PROVEN THEMSELVES INCOMPETENT. WHY LET THE VIG TAKE CARE OF CAUGHT SCUM WHEN WE CAN JUST AS EASILY LYNCH THEM AND DONT HAVE TO RELY ON SOME DUMB VIG SHOOTING RIGHT/NOT GETTING BLOCKED OR KILLED THEMSELVES. WHAT IF THE VIG IS ODD NIGHT ONLY? WHAT IF THE VIG IS ONE SHOT? WHAT IF NAHDIA IS STILL ALIVE TOMORROW NO VIG, WHAT THEN? LET THE VIG TAKE CARE OF IT NIGHT 3?????

WE HAVE CAUGHT SCUM IN THREAD, IT COULDN'T BE MORE OBVIOUS. WHEN YOU CATCH SCUM YOU LYNCH THEM.

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Breaking News: Not Realizing it's L-1 Isn't a Scumtell

More on this at 11

that has literally zero to do with why i think you're scum. for me its your day 1 play, and your obviously fake claim.

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maybe my activity has stalled, i just dont think theres much to discuss rn other than lynching nahdia, please do the right thing

if nahdia was town and true claiming a PR how would scum not have pushed the wagon through already? especially with a presumably large scumteam like in this 16p game. the fact that the lynch hasn't gone through despite how easy it would be for scum tells me its not a mislynch.

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nahdia has completely disappearance, the only alternative they offered was me in an OMGUS and then midway in a blatant attempt to save their own life. if im town and im run up like this i get my fucking reads out there.

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nahdia has completely disappearance, the only alternative they offered was me in an OMGUS and then midway in a blatant attempt to save their own life. if im town and im run up like this i get my fucking reads out there.

I don't really want to lynch Nahdia today. What are your reads other than nahdia?

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nahdia has completely disappearance, the only alternative they offered was me in an OMGUS and then midway in a blatant attempt to save their own life. if im town and im run up like this i get my fucking reads out there.

I don't really want to lynch Nahdia today. What are your reads other than nahdia?

I love the gif but i don't get the reference.

Oh and i agree that nahdia went mia but so did others so I can't say that reliable. I'd like to see if he continues to push bad reasons.

its just a dumb stupid gif

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if nahdia was town and true claiming a PR how would scum not have pushed the wagon through already? especially with a presumably large scumteam like in this 16p game. the fact that the lynch hasn't gone through despite how easy it would be for scum tells me its not a mislynch.

what if the whole scumteam is on the wagon

well i know im town, and im driving the wagon hard. it would not be difficult for scum to hop onto this wagon if they wanted to.

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if its really l-1 then u know what to do farside

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Popo is still too strong a TR even though he's essentially been tunneling Nahdia since RVS.

this is not true at all

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lowkey wanted to just self-hammer there. i wouldn't, obviously, but i wanted to. people are seduced by the sweet siren song of lynching the dumbass who cant count.

ur quick hammer has very little to do with why i suspect you

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im not gonna move my vote. i think ndmath, madonna, midwaybear all look pretty bad.

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If nahdia is town and ends up a mislynch idk where we go from there.

What about midway? As the counter, that's the logical choice, right?

why not go there now and see what happens? this nahdia business is low information and low probability for a day 2 PL.
since momentum seems to be moving towards stanley, and that is a good alternative to midway, ill VOTE: stan1ey

why do you keep calling it a policy lynch

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lol

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lol

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if we dont lynch nahdia 2day im gonna take the rest of the game off and just chill

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if we dont lynch nahdia 2day im gonna take the rest of the game off and just chill

if you lynch nahdia today im gonna take the rest of the game off and chill howbowdah

ok so you'll continue on as you have been?

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if we dont lynch nahdia 2day im gonna take the rest of the game off and just chill

if you lynch nahdia today im gonna take the rest of the game off and chill howbowdah

ok so you'll continue on as you have been?

same as you

word brother man

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i liked votato day 1 but much of the shit he said today makes no sense.

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now we wait

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cant shake the feeling that midwaybear is mislynch bait. vig put him out of his misery tonight.

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im not super comfortable with anyone lining up lynches in twilight. lets come back tomorrow with fresh eyes

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what if everyone just sheeped me. what do u guys think of this idea

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im not sure yet. gonna do some reading.

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the difficulty we had getting that lynch through, day 2 is gonna be a great reread. i cant see why scum kill gobble here.

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yea i dont think he was killed for his elite scumhunting lol

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oh shit what have I woken up to

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I thought Albert was a vig or some other pr from his play. It all makes sense if he is pr.

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I don't think norwe needed to claim here

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im leaning stan1ey scum right now. im gonna read a bunch this afternoon i hope.

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we are in a straight up 1v1, stanley or rampage will be the lynch. id ask people to refrain from voting for a little bit.

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UNVOTE:

I'm gonna die tonight anyway, then lynch stanley.

why would u unvote the guy you have a guilty on

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why didnt you claim the guilty immediately at start of day 2 albert

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i think before the day ends it would be worth discussing whether this is multiball, whether we have multiple vigs, 3p, or whether scum just had an extra kill of some sort.

do you even read or do you just come in and post nonsense every few days

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there are only town and mafia.

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fuck this

vote:stanley

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were not lynching farside day 1 felllas dont be ridiculous, now if she hasn't been nightkilled by like day 3 then we can seriously look at the situation

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please dont hammer Albert im gonna reread this afternoon

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vig do not claim

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I DISAPROVE, AS TOWN LEADER I ORDER U TO MOVE UR VOTE TO STANLEY

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MAN IM SO IN NORWE'S POCKET THIS GAME THIS DUDE BETTER BE TOWN

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besides the stanley/albert conundrum farside is my biggest scumread at this point

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no

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i thought rampage was a pr yesterday from his play. the way he has played it makes sense if all he wanted was to make it to day 3 with a guilty without being nightkilled. he was foolish not to claim in his opening post of the day, but it is what it is.

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to me the unvote is irrelevant

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lets say ABR faked a guilty, the guy he randomly faked a guilty on is a SUPER PRO TOWN PROTECTIVE ROLE?

i dont believe the claim.

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no im pocketed norwe u town as hell

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ima stay smoking that stanley

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the question is was abr in a position where he was def gonna be lynched, and only his supposedly 'fake' claim saved him. i dont think thats what happened. my vote stays on stanley

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woah...

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dayvig: stanley

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the question is was abr in a position where he was def gonna be lynched, and only his supposedly 'fake' claim saved him. i dont think thats what happened. my vote stays on stanley

any response to this norwe

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It's 5-4 Albert-Stan right? I'll lolhammer Stan if he get's put to L-1. But i'll also accept if someone were to hammer Albert. That's my stance.

where u at come hammer

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lol, im town.

if stan is town then bummer, its still 1 for 1, not the end of the world.

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I WAS WRONG, ITS UNFORTUNATE, BUT HAPPENS

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i dont know that we need to rush into claims. lets wait for people to check in.

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i had a townread on aloratom day 1 for some reason but he has done less than nothing its true

votato idk, hes def slow on the uptake im not sure it makes him scum

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im gonna reread this week at some point, maybe tomorrow maybe not

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game is still pretty short so thats good

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@norwee Do I have permission to lead a mass claim?

Ok? I don’t mind.

Cool.

This is the claim order.

1. Aloratom
2. Votato
3. Word
4. Madonna
5. NDMath
6. Popo

This order is fine if we wanna MC

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farside thought ndmath was scum im p sure

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universal backup is normal for any alignemnt

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Universal Backup (if self-aware) is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Universal Backup can be of any alignment, but it should only activate upon the first death of a power role of their own alignment. A power role in this case is any role that is not Vanilla (so not a Vanilla Townie or a Mafia Goon). Universal Backups inherit any and all modifiers, including the remaining shots of an X-Shot role.

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vanilla town

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i think words probably town here

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between aloratom, midway, word, madonna. idk... i do feel like word is town for some reason. i am gonna reread this game, we have no rush to end the day anytime soon

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feel like ndmath is confirmed 100% no?

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i dont really wanna lynch madonna

vote: aloratom

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ok maybe we lynch midwaybear

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I will say my trust in norwe town has somewhat deteriorated from where I was day 2. There's no way he just keeps getting scum every game tho...
L

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Feel

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vote:midway

this is fine i guess. should be l-1

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i would trust nd to shoot unless scum have a rb?

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vote: aloratom

can we PLEASE do this instead

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actually,

vote:midwaybear

i was too stubborn with albert i wont do the same thing here

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Keep in mind, if I were scum, I'd just hammer.

Real LAMIST bro. Do you want to be the lynch instead?

lets do it norwe

[popopopopopopo]

Keep in mind, if I were scum, I'd just hammer.

why are we in lylo or smth

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Keep in mind, if I were scum, I'd just hammer.

Real LAMIST bro. Do you want to be the lynch instead?

lets do it norwe

I thought u suspected me.

yea well

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idk, alora and mid both probably gotta go.

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mmm tomorrow we lynch popopo

haha hell no brother im town as fuck i admit that apathy has taken over since the albert/stan thing but im town as fuck still

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ah shit

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so thats not a real vote right

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lets wait and see if we have any results from people

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i mean the fact that madonna didnt immediately vote norwe.

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there are 2 situations here. norwe is telling the truth, has caught scum madonna.

or norwe is lying, we are in lylo and 1 mislynch pushed thru wins them the game.

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im operating under the assumption that we have 2 scum left

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votato could u post ur full night actions pls, every night what u did

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unless were getting scamaz'd by norwe, POE leaves word and madonna as the 2 scum

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i assumed scum killed ndmath, and ndmath shot aloratom.

so if madonna visited ndmath and word, it would be the factional kill, and then madonna's own role action on word.

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the question is do we trust norwe here.

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im leaning on believing norwe here. cause if i dont and hes telling the truth its a monumental throw. if he's lying, its a gg wp

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are we bringing this one in for town norwe? i feel like i should reread b4 such a yuge decision

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like i was townreading norwe so hard, maybe i was brought to lylo for this specific plan...

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occams razor says the 2 more inactive players are the last 2 scum, and madonna protected their partner with some sort of role ability. it makes sense for madonna to make the kill despite having a PR, as word is then semi-clearable to a tracker check.

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not necessarily protected, used a role ability

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u sly dog

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is there a world where its madonna/votato

i forgot the night actions votato has claimed to have taken, do we have any confirmation he is an alien

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do you have any reads

Leaning town on ManateeDude and NorwegianBoyEE, enjoying their style, leaning scum on word321 and Albert B. Rampage, one with the sudden OMGUS turnabout and the other one was in both jumps on word321 and me. I was seriously digging your play prior to my entrance, popopopopopopo, but I guess what worked for you against word321 worked against me, and that is acceptably null.

this is an interesting post if madonna/word are the last 2 scum

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ok so hes backup even night alien, targeted madonna n2, and my n4. an alien makes someone ascetic bulletproof right, so thats the reason ur track failed n2. if i understand correctly

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so it literally comes down to norwe vs madonna. i can never in all good conscience vote norwe here. so

vote:madonna

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*pushes glasses up nose and they become opaque* i hope im right

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yea its word/madonna

dont be dumb here votato

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cool im town here

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what the fuck is ur problem with 7po? Does someone RLY know something I dnt know? I mean, my pov is more clear, yes; but simply WHY?

im obv town buddy, yall fucked up leaving me alive, i was never getting lynched this game

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well here we are.

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i know this is lylo and all and ur meant to think about shit before u vote

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vote:word

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Poggers

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did we win

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I thought about it but u could just claim u track me instead of Madonna yesterday and win then

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Unless they all backups