In post 313, LicketyQuickety wrote:Espe is Scum based on a tell where they are recreating a systematic way to play as Scum. I'd dig for the game, but I don't feel like it right now... It was a LONG time ago.
This right after voting for Gypyx doesn't sit well with me.
In post 321, Hiraki wrote:everyone calling renaissance town might be the clear defining moment that these "town blocs" are absolute garbage - pass on whatever SR i have on hoopla -
renaissance is town?!?
the dude has been going along with the crowd with one-liners all game. how can you say that is definitively town??
Curious. I fail to see the town motivation in being ardently anti-townbloc - it doesn't accomplish anything to take apart townreads. I can see several angles where it's useful for scum to discredit it though.
In post 324, CooLDoG wrote:Your vote is simply to "move to greener pastures" with absolutely no reason what so ever. It's like you vote, the wagon doesn't pick up, time to try and lead another wagon leveraging your town cred, let other people come up with reasons and then post facto agree with them and not offer your own explanation because you are "town hunting" this game. Reads as not want to commit to scum reads and pick easy popular town reads. My vote will stay here for a while....
Nahhh. Hoopla's town bloc was herself/renaissance/notscience/gobbles/Gypyx. You call that a list of 'popular' townreads? You're also picking at her lack of vote reasoning without engaging at all with the reasons she gives for these 'easy' townreads. I agreed pretty strongly with her line of thought on Gypyx in particular.
CooLDoG's 324 is a whole bunch of words to say 'I'm annoyed at everyone, but specifically Hoopla because I don't like her playstyle.'
And throughout the next two pages he goes on to post a lot of nonsense
this contrasts a lot with his earlier play.
I can't recall what Una thinks about anything that isn't the Traitor Problem.
I agree with a lot of Hoopla's theory talk in 389 - not really relevant in a reads sense, but I do think towns should stop waiting until right before deadline before they're prepared to bring someone to claim.
Why does CooLDoG start making consistently terrible posts? He was doing so well earlier
I'm trying to figure out what this means irt his alignment. I guess looking objectively at what he's doing, he goes full-on against Hoopla and proposes myself and Espe as her partners. It's a pretty awful scum list, and I think pushing for Hoopla specifically out of those three has some scum motivation if Hoopla is town (as Hoopla is a rather strong player from what I remember). The town motivation is a lot more... petty, and involves taking a lot of what he's saying at face value. I can see both. It's one of those things where I think I'd scumread CooLDoG more if he were a better town player than I think he is, which is annoying.
Emperor flippynips' check-in on Page 18 is decidedly uninspiring.
In post 437, PranaDevil wrote:Plus I am not great early game. Never have been. I do better after a re-read and a lynch of two, where I can do some analysis. If you expect me to be coming out of the gates day one as some amazing super posting person.... you'll be disappointed.
Oh fucking hell, you are just Bellaphant.
She's said this verbatim to me before.
This post though continues the trend of PranaDevil having some really surface-level reasons for scumreading people while spending a wall retelling the game in narrative fashion. 'flippyNips posted a bunch of small inconsequential posts in a row' isn't inspiring. I've played a couple of games with flippyNips and this is entirely to be expected from them.
In post 447, gobbledygook wrote:That reads to me like a scum reaction. Una, you aren’t doing anything to get the person you’re voting lynched. Most of your posts are talking about Gypyx. Ergo talking a lot but not doing anything with your vote
Really good post. Sums up my thoughts on Una's slot as a whole well.
flippyNips looks bad on Page 19. He posted more substance almost as a direct response to getting heat for not doing good enough earlier. Every single post here seems to have
some
content, in total contrast with last page. Their vote-unvote of Gypyx in 456 and 458 feels like fake reconsideration.
In post 460, Emperor flippyNips wrote:well i don't really care for any of espeonage's post but nothing shouts scum in his iso to me, why are people sring him?
This is awfully noncommittal.
In post 461, notscience wrote:His night prep comment re me never happened and when questioned he first stalled answering then said he just roped me in there which shows he doesn’t care to divine my alignment which typically means he knows it
This is awfully convoluted.
In post 490, AGar wrote:So you're saying your strongest, most confident scumread is on me, but you decided to vote for 4 other players.
Scumfuck is a scumfuck is confirmed.
There's not a clear connection here between 'confusing behavior' and 'scum'. Dissonance isn't a scumtell.
In post 493, gobbledygook wrote:Renaissance, Hoopla, CoolDog, Hiraki - what do you think of the fact that Una did:
...nothing to get notscience killed
...not vote anyone else on his shortlist after unvoting notscience
This is rather bad, I agree turkey.
In post 497, AGar wrote:Not really, no. I find it anti-town, for sure. But IME, lots of people are bad town players. So votes sit and rot because people don't wanna effort. Dominant personalities usually come in and direct shit and that's how things get done. Unless shit changed since I last played, I'm kinda just still hanging on to that notion.
See but this doesn't really add up with your perception of gobble being scum for what you see as bad play.
In post 500, Emperor flippyNips wrote:OMG! Me tooo! i look scummy af when im town. and touching on the people not going after their prefered lynch. i have no clue who i want to die, im trying to get townies first then i'll figure out who i want to kill.
i originally voted hoop for omgus lulz, but left it there cos it felt right & no one else has really given me bad vibes
Bad contrast between scumreading Hoopla and basically having the same game plan as her.
In post 504, PranaDevil wrote:As for why I think they are s/s, partly my feeling that both are scum (let's be honest, this early in the game, there's less to go on regarding s/s interactions), but I do feel like Hoopla mentioned the lynching of the lurker slots, and then "pushed" Flippy who subsequently "fixes" their post counts, by spreading one post so thin that it became practically an entire page by itself...
This is better. It's also one of the things I observed irt flippyNips.
In post 505, Hoopla wrote:[Prana's] 10 posts have more content in them than the totality of Flippy's, which is why he's probably higher in my lynch list than you, and one of the reasons why i am promoting espeonage's wagon now.
I'm not actually sure this is a thing. Prana has posted a lot of
words
, but they've been largely descriptive - content is another story.
Hoopla is fun. I'm now wondering if Hoopla was one of the members of the Correspondence modding hydra that was around a year or so ago.
In post 515, UnaBombaH wrote:So preflip associations and scumreading others for actions you take yourself?
Interesting that you call gobble out for this, but not AGar.
In post 517, UnaBombaH wrote: In post 494, Emperor flippyNips wrote:that's right i did ask una why he's sring NS. i feel like im getting called out left & right for only memeing but i've asked plenty of questions that are just getting pushed aside as of rn by una since you've responded gobble
I guess I've missed that question then?
Sorry about that.
My initial scumread on notscience came about from their earliest interactions with/around Hoopla.
Hoopla was awkwardly(?) trying to build the first bridge, and I think notscience reacted in a suspicious manner.
My take on it was something a scum would likely do - not jumping at the thought and immediately hopping onboard the townbin, but trying to come across suspecting and hard to get.
Somehow I got the read that a scummie had to fake suspicions and paranoia towards Hoopla, because in reality they KNOW their alignment.
That feeling has somewhat passed, especially since I feel like there are better lynchoptions in the same "towngroup" from Hoopla now.
But whenever I reread those first interactions, I have a feeling notscience was putting on an act.
This is rather good, and still the biggest thing pinging me about notscience.
I don't really understand how/why Una has notscience as less scummy than the others in Hoopla's townbloc, though. Particularly my own slot.
Una's 519 goes back to giving me bad vibes. Una's scumreads line up
exactly
with Hoopla's townbloc, with everyone else going 'just below the null line' at worst. That's not natural town thought. He also has much more concrete reasons for suspecting all of notscience/Gypyx/gobble, but votes renaissance for elusive reasons.
I'm getting the vibe that if Una is scum, at least one of his partners is actually in Hoopla's townbloc. His vote has danced around enough in that group that there's something whack going on there.
In post 529, Emperor flippyNips wrote:Plus scum doesn’t usually bounce around voting people or do stuff like that. They pick someone and hunker down for the most part. Doing what I did draws unwanted attention
This is scum.
Considering the mod posted that Espe was getting replaced very shortly before this vote, I find it odd. It's also a poor transition from voting gobble on the same page. Gobble didn't towntell particularly hard between the two votes, indicating the vote was weak in the first place. Notscience is blatantly coasting and it doesn't feel town-motivated.
In post 602, CooLDoG wrote: In post 583, Battle Mage wrote:
pre-emptive OMGUS eh? I might hold fire on the rest of my read through until we can all agree I'm not being lynched today. Let's go team!
no, I just thought you were double backing on your vig claim from espe, meaning actually coming back and claiming it legitimately. THen i realized it makes sense to wait for d2 if that were the case.
I think I actually buy this, and it's a thought that comes from town.
Hoopla's Una vote is good. In general, I like what Hoopla is doing whenever she's doing it. She has flat-out claimed that she'd be going for optimal plays as town or scum, but I feel like the fact that we're seeing similar optimal plays to each other is a good sign.
The narrative surrounding Gypyx and the Traitor spec picks back up around Page 25. Gypyx feels like lynchbait supreme. Everyone wants to shoot token suspicion at Gypyx for it, but only Battle Mage is prepared to put his money where his mouth is this early. For how weak notscience's scumreads seem, I'd think he would push on Gypyx harder instead of keeping shade there while throwing his vote around without weight.
In post 633, UnaBombaH wrote:I have always been taught to respect my elders, but an early join date in itself clearly brings no wisdom.
Hoopla voting me based on intuition at this point is silly, and mind you - my take on his "towngroup" so far has been that Hoopla is just misguided town, and the scumsters are the ones enjoying the free buffet.
So you've reasserted this a few times now. Why do you believe it? Hoopla herself has said she plays very similarly to this as either alignment. Yet you've fairly consistently held her as 'misguided town'. Why do you townread Hoopla?
Actually looking back now, you don't list your read on Hoopla at all in 519...
In post 646, PranaDevil wrote:Yeah... motivation right now isn't high.
I'm still happy with Flippy, Hoopla or the Turkey at this stage.
Welcome to our replacements too.
Sigh.
AGar feels the need to point this out, but not PranaDevil expressing the same sentiment.
(further down the page he does in fact push PD to join the gobble wagon.)
In post 685, PranaDevil wrote:You're scum... but also some good points about needing to make some game forwarding votes.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: gobbledygook
Time for a roast dinner.
I can kinda see this from Prana!town's perspective. The gobble wagon is the sensible conclusion, as PD already suspects him and Hoopla is townreading him.
In post 704, notscience wrote:I think your fos is a good way to take a safe stance without using your vote
Relatable
Please don't do this.
I'm running out of steam, and skimming the last few pages they don't tell me all that much that doesn't fit into what I've already established in the rest of my read-through.
