SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[Auro]

He's crumbing that he's infected, obviously

[Auro]

{pisskop, 5G, Tchill} is my current pool.

Tchill is a gutread. Hopefully I'll have more to say than that at some point today but for now that's what I've got.

Nahdia, can you tell me who your townreads are?

[Auro]

Wow it took me all freakin' day to read up, and nobody commented on my comments?

I thought I had asked the hood to claim their members?

Oh shoot.

[Auro]

Auro vote parking me like that with nobody else on me is scum indicative, and if I actually started gaining traction he'd unvote, because he doesnt wanna pressure me too hard or i'll come out of hibernation. him being there means scum is happy with where the gamestate is.

LOL

You were the one that teased me and left a 1v1 on D1 and I was
That I'm scared of you "coming out of hibernation" is crazy and you know it!

FL's just calling me scum so I'm not NK'd or infected, actually.

[Auro]

{pisskop, 5G, Tchill} is my current pool.

Tchill is a gutread. Hopefully I'll have more to say than that at some point today but for now that's what I've got.

Nahdia, can you tell me who your townreads are?

you, oka, quick, alchemist. i had mastina and blair as hard town too but :\

to a lesser extent, and i would be unsurprised if the infection is in: davesaz, ari, gobbledygook, nero, a50

and then maaaaaybe voted and flavor leaf.

Okay. I felt like I have to start from scratch for quite a while now and I'm not able to get into it again. If you can elaborate on TChill sometime that'd be sweet.
How'd you decide your infect pool?

[Auro]

Ah, so your milder townreads. Lol, nevermind

[Auro]

Sell me on one and I'll sheep

[Auro]

My townbloc is 5G, Voted

loooooool

[Auro]

Oka, is it worth efforting this game

[Auro]

If I cock my head every so slightly, I can kind see Auro fishing in some posts...

I swear I'm not! What letter does your role start with btw?

[Auro]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Auro]

Oka, I haven't read D1 either, is that a problem?

[Auro]

omgus Nero

[Auro]

Oh My God Ur Sweet, that's what I meant Nero <3

[Auro]

I'd actually like it if you forced a lynch right now.

[Auro]

I will help. Let's tunnel together, oh bird.

[Auro]

I've not had much mental energy to expense due to work and other distractions and I just feel like trolling around, but the thought of lolwagoning a high equity slot is very motivating

[Auro]

VOTE: Gobbles

[Auro]

A50 would Quick's "replacement" count

[Auro]

Blair would die visiting Pisskop even if Pisskop is town, if scum targeted her.

[Auro]

What am I supposed to do

[Auro]

keep in mind alch is probs scum by virtue of pisskop being prob infected

how?

VOTE: 5G

[Auro]

VOTE: 5G

[Auro]

Also, I forgot who it was but whoever is sring me because I haven’t posted much in the hood is crazy, like where does that even come from?

That is not the only reason, 5G...

[Auro]

Great job spoiling it

[Auro]

first

[Auro]

<333 Ari.

VOTE: Auro k I'm gone for real. Maybe.

Heyyyy what's up
Starting this early, huh

[Auro]

Okay guys let's massclaim?

[Auro]

Gobbles you understand that Dead Lady also dies if Maf target her right
and she claimed she would die if infected too IIRC

[Auro]

Oh he claimed infected? Nice

[Auro]

nope, definitely not; I ruled out only preventative before

[Auro]

case pl0x

[Auro]

Hmm... I’m in a rock and a hard place now.

You mean "between", as you can't be in 2 places at the same time (let alone being "in" a rock is hard to sell nowadays. But you could be in an "egg" though)

I think he knows the saying, and intentionally said "and".

[Auro]

TrueSoulEnergy what's up? You're not being a presence.

[Auro]

Ari is town

[Auro]

Activity, reaction to people scumreading him and acknowledgment of why, reaction to your solve, blah bla

[Auro]

Choo choo

[Auro]

Utilitarianism ftw

[Auro]

Look what I bought:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-27-IPS- ... 2749.l2649

Oh man this looks so good, 2k is amaaaze.

[Auro]

imagine all lynches had two characteristics: high scum equity, high information equity

now the best ev ofc is high scum equity, high information equity

Incorrect! The best ev is always highest scum equity. Always maximize your chance of hitting scum. "information" from scum is mostly unreliable.

[Auro]

flavor has probably one of the most "studied" scum M.O.s in the list in the sense that he has a pattern of aversion to bussing and he can be very cheeky with his teammates when interacting with them

do you have a similar character profile for nahdia

Hey, someone do a character profile for me too!

[Auro]

Auro's self-justification of his weird behaviour early game.

What Alchemist quoted wasn't a justification of my general behavior this game but how I treated a specific few pushes on me at the time.

Describe my weird early game behavior that is not present now?

[Auro]

OK I think I'm done with my catch-up. I'll be around if you guys have any theory questions

[Auro]

I have the Gigabyte RX 5700XT! And a 32" 2k monitor. I couldn't be happier. I've never tried OC'ing tho, but I think it's factory OC? I'm quite happy with the baseline performance though. 80+hz in Forza Horizon 4 is

[Auro]

I had to change the fan curve because it was heating up excessively, but once I did that it was perfect. What's the point of OC'ing tho?

[Auro]

Why, do they degrade over time without fans? The stock fans (for cpu and GPU) seem fine enough, I did keep track of temps whenever I played intensive games and such.

[Auro]

It's just not town you. Similar to FF in TM. I can't articulate it right now. I'm more interested in interacting with you this day phase to solidify a read.

And your sample space of town!me is WF, where I was under constant pressure for 90% of the game and had to continuously patiently defend myself for 200 pages?

And even then - you thought I was scum until the last minute.

I can totally confirm this is not my White Flag play, but given that, what else would you say qualifies as town!Auro?

[Auro]

Oh and Masons and Mafia, too lulz

[Auro]

I'm more interested in interacting with you this day phase to solidify a read.

I would love to get into my hyperpost mode (on the offense), so I'll be glad

[Auro]

I know that wattage gives out heat, but my question is: why is that bad?

[Auro]

I know that bones can melt, but my question is: why is that bad?

[Auro]

I don't think you need to go to the micro level to realize there's something going wrong when bones are melting tho

[Auro]

Auro it pains me that you believe this. I pushed you super hard as scum on the last day phase, along with everyone else because I needed to solve the game before being nk'd or mislynched. I thought you and Dan were town but I was stuck between you two, my team and my own paranoia. I suppose I have enough respect for you that I feel the need to explain myself. I'm sure you're aware my style is not straight forward but it is the result that matters to me not the getting there. Anyway. If you're saying I can't read you that's also what FF said because we had 1 newbie game together pre TM. Also, I saw town you in my scumgame.

Apologies. But it was darn stressful , and I did actually believe you thought I was scum till the last minute. I'm happy if you were in reality pushing me while also townreading me to confirm that your read was correct! My intention was not to convey that you can't read me, but that it took you a long time to actually realize that I was town then - in a game that I felt I was obvtown in.

Yes, I'm aware of Masons and Mafia as well. I honed in quite confidently on scum Pops (and mistakenly Suji) and began hyperposting/tunneling.

I can't just at-will launch into that style until I get a good handle on the game in some form. As scum I almost always posted in high volumes (it's

much

easier making up legit-sounding stuff) excluding one singular game (and with good reason). I'm not able to find a good point of re-calibration and I'm only confident about some townreads.

Let's get there - wanna talk about any slot?

[Auro]

I think Oka and Nero are jointly correct, for starters.

[Auro]

we both have each other in our solves and our solves have no shared slots lmfaoooo

Not in the direct sense of it.

Cheeky, I think both of them are at least not original scum.
Do you agree?

[Auro]

Also thoughts on Nahdia would be nice.

Scumz.

[Auro]

Right now Cheeky I'm interested in stances and let's get to reasoning after that.

[Auro]

I don't buy that anyone is immune from the start. FL would be a prime target for scum. PK being infected gives me the impression someone or somethree who knows him suggested him as a target.

Why not?
TrueSoulEnergy claimed uninfectable.

[Auro]

I know that wattage gives out heat, but my question is: why is that bad?

Because heat makes things expand and when they expand they tend to warp. Wouldn't do to have chips pop off the board.

I'm pretty sure GPUs are designed to handle relatively high temperatures. The in-built coolers prevent temps from going *too* high, and effectively so.

[Auro]

From what I remember oka is ML who was widely townread. Why do you get this impression?

His lamist content , Mastina's read, and a lot of specifics I don't recall precisely. One recent example is the solve he's trying to push for {A50, Nero, FL IIRC} which is a bit unnecessary as townread scum. Miss Lynch was her obv town self when she was here, altho I forgot that she was the previous holder of the slot.

[Auro]

If I were scum, Tchill or A50 would have been immediately infected.

Hot take: Tchill and A50 ARE infected, and FL is signaling to them.

[Auro]

What's down

Dude do you have a list of your previous avatars somewhere? I really really liked one of them

[Auro]

Maybe. I don't really know Pokemon but it had like a single black pupil for an eye?

I think Oka and Nero are jointly correct, for starters.

i still dunno what this is

Waiting on Cheeky

[Auro]

No not that one. The one I'm thinking of looked SO innocent that I could never lynch you

[Auro]

Nope not that one either :X

[Auro]

Maybe it is a Pikachu. And not that one, this was in the game's D1/D2 I think. Sigh

[Auro]

Oh, it's this one lol. Yeah, it's adorable.

It was the one right after this or before this I think.

Ah well

[Auro]

It was a side picture I think, and the black pupil was very large and, ehrm, intense?

[Auro]

Maybe I'll use it again someday and you'll spot it then

Hopefully. I was hoping you'd just have your avis stored on some folder lol.

What's pk been doing in the hood

[Auro]

There is one mechanical reason to want to lynch infected. If I feel like my win chances are low, lynching an infected person means more chance that I get infected in the future.

[Auro]

Kinda sure A50's intent was indeed just to troll and see if people spot it, I did think the replacement win-con was a bit ridiculous but *facepalm*

Claim itself NAI

[Auro]

TSE, you were pushing me earlier, what happened to that...? What's up?

[Auro]

I'm not a troll D:

I've given some nice reads this game. Ircher even PMed me earlier today to tell me how well he thought I was doing. I think that means one of my reads is correct.

[Auro]

So did the mod threaten any consequences to claiming infected or did he just state it's anti win-con?

[Auro]

i do think its unhealthy

Coming from the *cough* infected *cough" player

[Auro]

Would be quite an amazing gambit for scum to claim infected to avoid a lynch

[Auro]

Part of the reason for that is that Auro in particular has recently shown to be
good at making good looking posts / plays which are completely wrong, so in his
case wrong could be scum.

Are you referring to Ircher's Mini Normal?

[Auro]

Lmao I don't wanna lynch Hoctac. He's hilarious and I need that this game.

[Auro]

No, I got immunity from Mastina N2 for some amount of time.

[Auro]

I'm pretty sure of it. Read her posts, she seems to have been crumbing it.

[Auro]

I'm pretty sure of it.

que? you dont know?

Nope

[Auro]

VOTE: TSE c'mon man can you give cases? Like convince me to hop onto any of them with some reasons.

[Auro]

Yes... How scummy that after 2 games of experience with town!Nero and seeing Mastina townlock him, I townread him...

[Auro]

TSE is another lhf lynch

I am lhf.

[Auro]

Don't self-vote A50. Can you recap scumreads? Still think Cheeky is scum?

[Auro]

Quick is at worst infected

[Auro]

I have a 10 in Modesty!

[Auro]

Flavor help me get in the game pl0x

[Auro]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Thanks

[Auro]

TSE can you case Hoc with more words and detail?

[Auro]

This IS a meme cult game. Lynching infected people IS good for infected (as OG scum stay alive) and good for town (what Dave said, also on the flip side iff town PRs don't end up swinging the game towards town, >70% get infected and would win together anyway) and bad for scum (more days to achieve parity and can get caught by then).

So infected people are functionally Jesters, and that is playing to their win-con (as Mastina said) which should be fun

[Auro]

This IS a meme cult game. Lynching infected people IS good for infected (as OG scum stay alive) and good for town (what Dave said, also on the flip side iff town PRs don't end up swinging the game towards town, >70% get infected and would win together anyway) and bad for scum (more days to achieve parity and can get caught by then).

So infected people are functionally Jesters, and that is playing to their win-con (as Mastina said) which should be fun

It's definitely not fun if infected people just CLAIM infected and we lynch them though!

[Auro]

makes sense you'd be annoyed by that.

Because I like fun? Yas
If you're insinuating I'm scum then I'd actually be happy that town's choosing NOT to lynch the claimed infected lol, I wouldn't be directing them back to it.

[Auro]

Even if there is an infected->immune path (which is not publically proven to exist)

There is - otherwise, why even bother with "Mafia can kill an infected player every night"?

[Auro]

Hey Dave, maybe you can answer this post game but I'm curious: What plays did I argue in Boon's game that were *completely* wrong? O.o

[Auro]

I do agree scum>infected>town is the optimal lynch preference but reasoning differs, which is okay.
Infected win-cons can only trigger faster if there's exponential growth, which we haven't seen so far but might happen.
Mafia could indeed block cures, yes - but I'm assuming they used one of their two NKs on Mastina off her softing, whereas they could've used the theoretical roleblocker on her instead? Idk, there's also dayplay as a component and it's probably not useful to think too much along these lines anyway.

Hey Dave, maybe you can answer this post game but I'm curious: What plays did I argue in Boon's game that were *completely* wrong? O.o

The comment was intended to convey the idea that you are skilled at making reasonable sounding arguments for mislynches, generally speaking. Wrong in terms of mislynches being wrong for town, not wrong in terms of theoretically unsound or anything like that.

Ahh, that way. Okay.

[Auro]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82964
I finished a game recently where I was scum with Hoctac - where he was actually "solving" a lot more visibly than here, and worked himself up to a decently strong townread position until lategame where we got mechanically cornered.
He was also my scum Mason buddy in Boon's game, where he got himself visibly townread by play long before the Mason play anyway.

I do recall multiple instances of "flashes of solving" from Hoctac, and I think he definitely would be doing *more* to get townread as scum here. I think it is a case of his treating this as a meme game and just having fun while occasionally solving.

[Auro]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82964
I finished a game recently where I was scum with Hoctac - where he was actually "solving" a lot more visibly than here, and worked himself up to a decently strong townread position until lategame where we got mechanically cornered.
He was also my scum Mason buddy in Boon's game, where he got himself visibly townread by play long before the Mason play anyway.

I do recall multiple instances of "flashes of solving" from Hoctac, and I think he definitely would be doing *more* to get townread as scum here. I think it is a case of his treating this as a meme game and just having fun while occasionally solving.

Dave, I am unsure why you consider this a non-case or perhaps a "fake defense".

My premises are that (1) he

has

gamesolved quite a few times, and (2) that his "active/visible solving" was a characteristic of every scum game of his.

It follows that (3) saying he isn't doing anything is wrong, and (4) less visible solving is town-indicative at best and NAI at worst.

You say you scumread him by post 10 or so - give us legitimate reasons.

[Auro]

Hoctac, TSE, I'm gonna need both of you to step up your play

[Auro]

Gobble apart from that what are your thoughts on the game

[Auro]

Nero, no, I am quite confident in Alch town, and I think Oka's town too

Gobbles I get the feel that he's towntelling and then he seems to chuck everything and cluck around

[Auro]

None of those are scum-indicative.

Also lol ugh Saudade why did you replace out, I wanted to troll you about moment of brilliance too

[Auro]

it’s probably better to townread him and see if he PoE’s the scum or not

hahahahahaha
wow a BoP

[Auro]

1.

momo+

Creature+**

Blair+
2. Auro+
3. Hoctac+*
4. 5G Tower+**
5. Jake the Wolfie+* ^^
6.

Odelschwanck

Aristophanes+* ^
7.

Allan90

Quick+

LicketyQuickety+
8.

Vecna+

TrueSoulEnergy+*
9.

No łynch+

Voted+*

CheekyTeeky+
10. Alchemist21+
11.

Elements+

Nahdia+
12. Flavor Leaf+* ^^
13.

farside22+

gobbledygook+
14. davesaz+*
15. EspeciallyTheLies+
16.

50 Judge Powers+

Almost50+
17. mastina+*
18.

Miss Lynch+*

OkaPoka+
19. Nero Cain+
20.

Tchill13+

Firebringer+
21.

Saudade+*

pisskop+** ^

Holy shit that's like >50% replacements and we're still in D4 lol wow

[Auro]

To me they are, to you they apparently aren't.

Sure; I propose a quick exercise then.
I quote the first 10 Hoctac posts from various completed games. You apply the same principled metrics as you are here and guess what his alignment was.

Do you think you would gain a >rand result with, say, 8 games?

[Auro]

I have no interest in doing something like this. Especially not in this thread.

My question wasn't whether you want to do it or not. It was whether you're confident of gaining a >rand result if you did.

[Auro]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Auro]

I'll prolly be V/LA for 24 hours, self-imposed.

[Auro]

TSE bro you're complaining a lot and calling people who attack you scum but you're not really trying to get them lynched... and giving us like 0 reasons for anything.

[Auro]

TSE's OMGUS-ing is NAI yeah but he's very vocal and energetic especially when he's confident in his reads. Here he seems a bit subdued and I feel like just the claim making him feel that way is

Yeah TSE fine I just wanna see your personal reasons man, don't need a case, just tell me why YOU feel they're scum from ISO. Because I disagree about both Hoc and Ari.

[Auro]

Yes I see the confidence, but I don't see the vocal conviction. He's popping in a few times to call them scum and that's it. In my game with him he was a constant presence.

Piss infected right? And no, Cheeky is town.

[Auro]

In or games he'barely engage and he'd just kinda randomly come in and yell about his scum reads.

Oh in my game with him he was hyperposting. Lemme look up

[Auro]

I townread him and he thinks I'm scummy for it so

[Auro]

You guys are scum buddies right?

Lmao I was gonna say "we never rolled scum before" to Nero

[Auro]

Happy Birthday TSE!

Can flash lynch Fire or Dave, kinda ambivalent to A50 and Hoctac I don't wanna.

[Auro]

i feel like cheeky has moved her vote too much to be scum. a50, your thoughts?

Yeah Cheeky is town and for similar reasoning. The moment she was paranoid of me for a while and suddenly realised I'm town is when I knew this was town Cheeky. Auro paranoia is a good thing that way.

[Auro]

i feel like cheeky has moved her vote too much to be scum. a50, your thoughts?

considering that I've caught her as scum for exactly this reason tells me that you are wrong.

Game?

[Auro]

TSE's birthday and y'all wanna lynch him. Geez

[Auro]

Sigh. No I don't have a solve. I think I came too late when people stopped caring about winning. I guess all the replacements demoralised people

Uh yeah more than half the living players replaced, all the day lynches so far have been people who just refused to play, and we get like no night info either

This is more of a night game and PRs have to target their cures ans vaccinated carefully. Hmmm I'm wondering if we should work out some sort of plan taking this into account.

[Auro]

Auro do u want to lynch me BECAUSE U FEAR ME!?!?!?

If I were scum I'd keep you around to see if you can catch me... And I'd just infect you if you were gonna

[Auro]

I'm really sick right now so I will not be here much the next few days

Bird Flu? Get better soon

[Auro]

... you know I was joking asking for a massclaim right?

Also a plan needn't give scum everything obv. We could start by forming pools to cure in, I think~

[Auro]

And vaccinate. Cures also take place on the same night as infects I think, after infect, no?

[Auro]

I think I'll still have immunity tonight

[Auro]

Good job .-.

[Auro]

I want to get infected after my immunity runs out :3

[Auro]

Where is everyone?

[Auro]

Traitor.

If I was I'd already count towards parity, there's no need for me to get infected

[Auro]

Speak for yourself. Here as "cult" it's pro-wincon to play like a jester and that's what I wanna do.

[Auro]

A50.

[Auro]

playing scum is ez.

All you have to do is pretend to be an idiot

and that's not to far away from norm for most.

That's the boring way tbh.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Scum_Games

[Auro]

thanks for the warning!

[Auro]

Lmao so Nero pretends to be dumb and then flexes how it's ez to play scum by pretending to be dumb?

[Auro]

I know that was your commentary on general scumplay, I was just pointing out why that accusation was amusing

[Auro]

Guys, 2 hours

[Auro]

Wait, I thoguht I had moved my vote. My bad.

VOTE: A50

[Auro]

Let's make this the longest Large Theme game!

[Auro]

I think 900 pages.

[Auro]

first

[Auro]

An anonymous reporter reports that two new infections occurred during the night.

Getting exponential now are we

[Auro]

Day 2 begins!

An anonymous reporter reports that

one

new infection occurred during the night.

The town wakes up bright and early for the next round of grilling each other over a Zoom conference call. Nothing seems different from the previous day until an anonymous report lands on the mayor office. Someone had managed a way to track the virus's spread and determine the number of new infections. Where this information came from or how it was obtained was not known. All this meant was that the town was one step closer to their doom.

Day 4 begins!

An anonymous reporter reports that

one

new infection occurred during the night.

Another day dawns. Despite feeling that they are making no progress in unraveling the conspiracy, the town's morale remains high. Another report arrives on the mayor's desk noting that a new infection occurred. The mayor sighs and begins the day's Zoom call.

Day 5 begins!

An anonymous reporter reports that

two

new infections occurred during the night.

The sun rises once more, and the mayor begins the daily Zoom call. "I've received another report on the virus, and the details are more shocking than one would believe!" exclaims the mayor. "Indeed, it states that not one, but two (!) new infections occurred during the night!" Another person shouts, "If nothing is done, the entire town will be infected!" Eventually everyone calms down, but one thing is for sure: the town is teetering close to the brink of death.

So... 7 [scum+infected] in total out of 15.

[Auro]

Okay, so {Pisskop, Clidd} are two of the infected.

You lose the first part of your ability when you successfully target? Who were your previous targets? And you mean you're immunized as a result, or that you can use this shot on someone? Temporary/permanent?

[Auro]

I smell a rat.

You read what parts? The ones where I'm expressing worry over TSE's play?

Pretty funny how Vecna attacked me and backed off, then TSE attacked me on reasons and backed off, and you jump in trying to attack me as well, while also confirming that this AtE was fake:

TSE is absolutely scum.

You’d be wrong my friend.
Lynch Hoctac and they will flip Scum which will hopefully make you realize that I’m Town.
Also no one is CCing my role.

I’m pretty much just a VT that can’t be converted
It’s like the most shit role tbh.
I would rather not lose this game so you can kindly F Off because I’m selfish and want my win.
It’s why I’m such a good solver.

I figure out who scum are but I don’t have anything strong enough to convince others despite me pretty much handing them the win due to my selfishness.
I try and be Selfless in this game and I’m still trying but it’s very hard.

[Auro]

TSE attacked me on reasons

Oh AND that reason was: "There was no new infection at night because Auro must have tried to target me".

Lol
VOTE: Radical Rat

[Auro]

Yes, it IS funny how out of three different players in this slot we all scumread you, if not quite enough to lynch yet.
And yeah, that AtE is fake. Clearly didn't want the win THAT much or they'd still be here, but what does that have to do with anything?

The first threw a weak attack he himself had to retract.
The second's attack was predicated on the

fake claim which had fake AtE

which I went all wtf on and they just avoided me after that.

Almost like TSE had to manufacture some attack based on the stance he wanted to take on me...

[Auro]

To be fair, the radical rat push right as I announced a way to clear someone onto the person I’ve been pushing as scum is pretty scummy.

...what? You think my attacks are coming out of nowhere?

[Auro]

Radical Rat seems to have read their predecessor's ISO, decided that "immunized" claim was bad without noticing the AtE and other stuff surrounding i

[Auro]

Given the infection space I find it hard to believe someone would claim to be "immune" to draw the infection. TSE loves playing town, I literally don't see why all that AtE around not being infectable should achieve that?
That AtE is designed to make the claim believable, and that's the kind of claim that appears good to make on first glance as scum

[Auro]

Was your slot infected at some point?

[Auro]

Good night

[Auro]

Uh oh, if mafia were the only source of infection how'd we end up with two new cases?

Either they aren't, or there are roles that can acquire infections on targeting someone (like Blair but not frail)

[Auro]

Willing to trust Radrat

Color me unsurprised

[Auro]

Umm, Clidd and Pisskop both aren't "fallback" lynches, lynching groupscum is the only way we can win barring a miracle.

[Auro]

I’ll go back and reread and see if I can case Auro and then I’ll look at TSE stuff.

What happened to this? That's a surprise.

[Auro]

Umm it was Blair visiting Piss, IIRC.

[Auro]

Pisskop claimed infected.

[Auro]

No, I believe he's at worst infected but not groupscum.

[Auro]

Except I never say TSE as Scum

Even knowing his AtE around having a "shitty role because uninfectable" is fake?

[Auro]

LQ is never groupscum anyway

[Auro]

They might at later points when it's *not* in town's best interests to lynch them anyway

Guys you can highlight text and press the quote button.

[Auro]

Except it goes against your win con to claim infected as infected

No it doesn't, we've already established it's fine. I disagree with the mod.

[Auro]

There's literally NOTHING saying he can't be group Scum.

There is. You haven't picked up on it.

[Auro]

No Alch also isn't scum.

Pisskop's claim to non groupscum is subtle and it could just be a very smart play from his side but I think otherwise.

[Auro]

I'm just a naken VT role here. So you need to explain that for me...

Nope can't explain it for reasons. Alch saw it too I think and he can affirm.

[Auro]

Nero it's not "grasping at straws" to scumread that claim change.

[Auro]

Because there’s always an inevitable massclaim. Everyone knows that.

Meanwhile I don't think massclaim is a good idea

[Auro]

I mean, its "normal" I guess but if you think about it....it just makes very little sense. That's something that can easily be abused by scum and i think that's what he's doing here.

Kind of makes no sense to fake uninfectable and then complain about it multiple times as town yeah? And then push me on the day of 0 new infections because "I tried to target him"..?

TSE was already on the chopping block.

Alch is non groupscum for ~~~reasons~~~ too and it's kind of whack that no one's reading the game

[Auro]

The fact I can’t gain Rat momentum shows he’s likely scum, and Nero is chainsawing and distracting from it

Dude there are like 5 people active rn? 3 including you who voted rat...

[Auro]

I’ll let Pisskop do it.

No Pisskop shouldn't. I'm sure at least Dave would have seen why, Dave can affirm and that should be enough.

[Auro]

Dave, reads on Alch and/or Pisskop?

[Auro]

Being the **only** "uninfectable VT" would be quite odd.

[Auro]

Umm why do you read me as infected? Like last night?

[Auro]

Cause I was immune for two nights before that, very probably

[Auro]

both oka and auro have been on every mislynch

Like almost every one of these lynches are ones I could profit off by white-knighting at least weakly

[Auro]

piss/clidd/alch/fl

Give me a convincing reason to want to kill infected?

[Auro]

I thought there were only 5 Scum, but Nero is saying it's 7.

I quoted the posts about new infections every day and we haven't had anyone claim to have been cured yet
Add them up and it's 4 + 3 OG scum = 7

[Auro]

7:8
Kill infected it's 6:8 with OG scum needing to make 2 infections at night WHICH seems plausible given precedent and some other stuff

The better chance is to kill scum and gate any docs/immunizers to them.

[Auro]

fake news in coronatimes

[Auro]

[Auro]

Shh

[Auro]

Next up, the promised Auro case.

Damnit now

I

have to sleep.

[Auro]

I wish that you hadn't claimed that yet, bud.

[Auro]

I'll admit this isn't the proper case I had envisioned, but all of these posts are sketchy to me.
See, there's a bunch of fluff and memery, which is to be expected early on, and honestly made this a much more enjoyable read. But the line between the jokes and serious play gets blurry fast, and he does a really good job of seeming confident, borderline cocky even, while also not taking many hard stances and feeling out where the general consensus is, and nearly all of his defenses come with a cheeky "unless I'm actually scum" WIFOM, which reads to me like trying to deflect arguments pre-emptively.

I also think that he started off scummy, and got progressively less scummy over time, which worries me because of the frequent posts about how Infected deaths are better than Mafia deaths, and that Infected should be jesters, etc. I expect him to be most strongly pushing a bus lynch on an infected player today, and then 7:8 => 6:8 ratio after lynch, 7:7 after factional infect, and that's parity. And also why if it can be at all helped we should absolutely NOT lynch an infected player today.

It's rare that I appreciate a case on me - usually I feel like people just take a random selection of the 1000+ posts I have and bend over their backs to fit some dumb scumgenda that makes little sense!

My play has been lazy. I do find it a struggle to "get into it" regularly in Large Themes (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82907, viewtopic.php?f=56&t=81907) and I also believe that pushing more aggro than I would at times can obtain great reads.

I stand by my mechanical thoughts about Infected. At least at that point in the game it was a win-win. The

only

benefit to scum would be that they're spared for the day; but otherwise it's just more difficult for them because they need one more phase to reach parity.

I have been pushing you... are you saying I'd bus infected because I asked you if you were? I asked because that would have explained the claim. It's a little odd I feel that you lay out a certain agenda to me, but don't reconcile it with my actual play and pushes today? If anything I have been very against lynching infected today.

[Auro]

Unless I'm ACTUALLY scum and that post was a big bag of WIFOM***

[Auro]

You could read their interactions early D4 where Alch crumbs to Pisskop, Pisskop recognizes it and then changes his play. It's not a mechanical confirmation, but also doesn't look faked at all.

[Auro]

Oka Cheeky where are you guys?

[Auro]

It's likely that scum's just lurking away today too. Like even if we hit scum I think they can probably win, in fact there might be some bussing as a result too.

[Auro]

Ari hasn't even posted once today.

[Auro]

VOTE: Aristophanes

The mouse can live... for now.

[Auro]

o I missed that post. That feels even worse.

[Auro]

I think he means with his track result?

[Auro]

A radical vote

[Auro]

They know who they're targeting and can piece it together with the anonymous report, so they should have a nearly accurate list I think?

[Auro]

But the setup implies only one factional infect. If there's an outside source then they wouldn't know

[Auro]

Ho hum maybe I am infected! Maybe I'm the outside-source-infected. Scum are doing a very poor job of signalling to me though, so step it up!

[Auro]

I wasn't gung ho about an A50 lynch, I was the hammer vote. I don't see at all how that's symptomatic.

And what's up with those Alchie-Pisskop interactions if it was scum!Pk infecting Alch? The only scenario is if pk realized Alch was looking for something and gambited a response, but even then Alch wouldn't have been infected at that point, no?

[Auro]

Slow down mate. Firebringer voted Radial Rat.

[Auro]

Ari Oka Gobbles -> Lurkers
Ari hasn't posted despite being on site, Oka blatantly just said he'll vote wherever there's most votes

[Auro]

Did Gobbles mix ppl up when fakeclaiming a targe

I thought he was saying he went after Pisskop because of the result...?

[Auro]

gobble?

but I like the idea of lynching scum cheeky so...

Like infected and scum both seem to be lurking? There's like 0 incentive for them to play I guess