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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:39 am

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So far I learned that forum mafia with strangers is not the same as IRL Avalon with friends. :lol:
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:46 am

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you get punishment points for doing something scummy and not learning from it, but fewer of them because its a newbie lobby
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:52 am

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I missed this earlier.
In post 197, votato wrote:hmm im leaning towards the scum PT being more likely, but we will see. if you are scum, your partner is probably (in decreasing order) {gobbles, apogee, GWu, sleepersoul}. gobbles would be the most likely



Are you saying you think Freddie could be scum PR? I tend to agree. I keep getting the feeling she's looking for town PRs.
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:57 am

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uh what? I don’t get that feeling, and why do you think she is a PR compared to goon.

Avalon is fun.
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:06 am

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I think goon PR is more interested in finding the town PRs.
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:07 am

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In post 204, SleeperSoul wrote:I think goon PR is more interested in finding the town PRs.
why is there a difference? arent all scum equally motivated to hunt down town PRs? just like all townies are equally motivated to hunt down scum
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:10 am

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In post 205, votato wrote:arent all scum equally motivated to hunt down town PRs?
no?
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:12 am

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In post 196, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 188, GeneralWu wrote:Also why were you "intentionally serving as bait for scum to jump on"?
It's a strategy I adopted from IRL play. My friends all know I don't like playing as scum, and I'm too easy to read as scum. So I play scummy in the beginning to try to get scum on my side and then turn on them. I was always confident in my ability to be read as innocent. This was in an Avalon setup where scum didn't know who one of their members was.

I was trying to do some 5D plays, but I realize I'm probably not good/readable enough to do it here.
Plz don’t do dis
In post 206, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 205, votato wrote:arent all scum equally motivated to hunt down town PRs?
no?
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:13 am

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Obviously all scum wants to find town PRs. But scum PRs are more excited/preoccupied about finding targets because they will be doing the targeting.
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:26 am

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In post 208, SleeperSoul wrote:Obviously all scum wants to find town PRs. But scum PRs are more excited/preoccupied about finding targets because they will be doing the targeting.
....

This is a take I suppose?
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:26 am

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In post 209, Apogee wrote:
In post 208, SleeperSoul wrote:Obviously all scum wants to find town PRs. But scum PRs are more excited/preoccupied about finding targets because they will be doing the targeting.
....

This is a take I suppose?
you are technically correct
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:26 am

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Midway I'm kind of hoping for a little more engagement with the thread here
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:27 am

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Votato while you are hear explain the gobbles/freddy w/w equity?
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:32 am

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In post 197, votato wrote:hmm im leaning towards the scum PT being more likely, but we will see. if you are scum, your partner is probably (in decreasing order) {gobbles, apogee, GWu, sleepersoul}. gobbles would be the most likely
who are you talking to?
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:39 am

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In post 196, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 188, GeneralWu wrote:Also why were you "intentionally serving as bait for scum to jump on"?
It's a strategy I adopted from IRL play. My friends all know I don't like playing as scum, and I'm too easy to read as scum. So I play scummy in the beginning to try to get scum on my side and then turn on them. I was always confident in my ability to be read as innocent. This was in an Avalon setup where scum didn't know who one of their members was.

I was trying to do some 5D plays, but I realize I'm probably not good/readable enough to do it here.
I don't know what Avalon is so im just shooting from the hip here but do you think is it wise to use strategies from a different game (among friends who know you well) here? or is this your attempt at covering up some bad behaviors up. to make reference to my own metric, you're sounding less eager and more suspicious. if its a good strategy to use yourself 'scum bait' then you're more strategic than i originally thought, in which case, you're somewhat erratic behavior looks more suspicious then newbie behavior
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:42 am

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In post 213, Freddiethelady wrote:
In post 197, votato wrote:hmm im leaning towards the scum PT being more likely, but we will see. if you are scum, your partner is probably (in decreasing order) {gobbles, apogee, GWu, sleepersoul}. gobbles would be the most likely
who are you talking to?
you.

the reason i think it would be those people is that i think the coaching would have to come from someone experienced. for example, i dont think i ever told freddie that scum would be hesitant to take a firm stance, but i think gobbles or apogee might give such advice. or maybe it was me. in any case in both prior games it was immediately obvious to me that freddie was town, but in this game im having trouble, which probably just means that freddie is learning (good), but still gives me the heebiee jeebiees (sp?) (bad).

avalon is a mafia variant that you can buy in stores and has specific role cards etc. its essentially the same, but a bit different.
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:42 am

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In post 209, Apogee wrote:
In post 208, SleeperSoul wrote:Obviously all scum wants to find town PRs. But scum PRs are more excited/preoccupied about finding targets because they will be doing the targeting.
....

This is a take I suppose?
what is a take? and who is taking it?
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:44 am

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In post 216, Freddiethelady wrote:
In post 209, Apogee wrote:
In post 208, SleeperSoul wrote:Obviously all scum wants to find town PRs. But scum PRs are more excited/preoccupied about finding targets because they will be doing the targeting.
....

This is a take I suppose?
what is a take? and who is taking it?
sleepersoul in the quoted post
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:47 am

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am i allowed to name players from the other game? its over
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:48 am

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In post 217, votato wrote:
In post 216, Freddiethelady wrote:
In post 209, Apogee wrote:
In post 208, SleeperSoul wrote:Obviously all scum wants to find town PRs. But scum PRs are more excited/preoccupied about finding targets because they will be doing the targeting.
....

This is a take I suppose?
what is a take? and who is taking it?
sleepersoul in the quoted post
what is a take?
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:49 am

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In post 215, votato wrote:avalon is a mafia variant that you can buy in stores and has specific role cards etc. its essentially the same, but a bit different.
One main difference is Avalon doesn't have lynching. It's very similar to a F2P game called Mindnight.
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:49 am

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In post 216, Freddiethelady wrote:
In post 209, Apogee wrote:
In post 208, SleeperSoul wrote:Obviously all scum wants to find town PRs. But scum PRs are more excited/preoccupied about finding targets because they will be doing the targeting.
....

This is a take I suppose?
what is a take? and who is taking it?
Yeah like it's a interesting perspective on who as scum is more motivated to PR hunt I've never heard before and am not really inclined to believe with. Not really AI imo but it's still kind of ?!?

p-edit: A take is just like a belief or a statement or whatnot. "This is one belief you could have I suppose"
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:52 am

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a hot take, an opinion etc
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:53 am

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In post 218, Freddiethelady wrote:am i allowed to name players from the other game? its over
yes.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:54 am

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We're not robots. Everyone has a different level of motivation for everything, even if they think they always play optimally. They "shouldn't" be more motivated, but they are more likely to be imo.

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