Why do you say I'm not really contributing?In post 297, midwaybear wrote:generalwu isn't really contributing, but I think the same as him so he is probably town.
as of right now, scum is votato and apogee for me(maybe freddie).
In post 260, SleeperSoul wrote:My biggest scum reads right now are you votato and midway, but right now I'm more focused on figuring out who I should be sheeping.
There's a reason why you can't edit or delete posts in a mafia game lol.In post 261, SleeperSoul wrote:Clarify: my scum reads are votato and midway.
or can a mod edit 260 and delete this one?
If someone (especially people who are scum), starts tampering with old posts, the game would be very hard to play. Everyone could just edit out scummy things from his posts and it'd be hard to figure out who's really scum.In post 302, GeneralWu wrote:In post 260, SleeperSoul wrote:My biggest scum reads right now are you votato and midway, but right now I'm more focused on figuring out who I should be sheeping.There's a reason why you can't edit or delete posts in a mafia game lol.In post 261, SleeperSoul wrote:Clarify: my scum reads are votato and midway.
or can a mod edit 260 and delete this one?
Nah I just want insights into the mind of a midwaybearIn post 301, midwaybear wrote:am i supposed to convince you that you are scum
yeah, you might be town though. Having doubts on sleeper even though I defended him, so I might go votato-sleeper for my solve. But we probably shouldn't be speculating teams yet
GG and GWu I am decently confident in being town. I never scumread lurkers so yeah.
pedit: oops maybe
In post 250, votato wrote:yes, ive played with agar before. actually ive played with a significant portion of the lobby before. ive also played with BM before. BM is always scummy and not someone id want around in lylo, so a good candidate for a policy lynch. also, asking questions is not AI. my explanation for my read on freddie is a meta read. i know freddie pretty well, and know what shes normally like. i also have been all her other mafia games, so know what shes like in mafia. like i explained later, the most likely scumpartners are experienced players who have at least some scum equity. but freddie is probably town. i just want that on the record so if freddie is in lylo its there as a reference.Spoiler:
I feel like when people try to scrutinize every little aspect of someone's playstyles, they tend to mess up.In post 251, votato wrote:one more time for clarity: the people i picked as potential scumpartners for freddie are the people who i feel could be possible coaches in scum PT. i dont particularly scumread freddie. i just wanted to share a shower thought to give the town some info/context. and its a thought that in certain contexts could indicate that freddie is scum. alternatively, if freddie does flip scum it narrows the potential partner list significantly.
In post 250, votato wrote:yes, ive played with agar before. actually ive played with a significant portion of the lobby before. ive also played with BM before. BM is always scummy and not someone id want around in lylo, so a good candidate for a policy lynch. also, asking questions is not AI. my explanation for my read on freddie is a meta read. i know freddie pretty well, and know what shes normally like. i also have been all her other mafia games, so know what shes like in mafia. like i explained later, the most likely scumpartners are experienced players who have at least some scum equity. but freddie is probably town. i just want that on the record so if freddie is in lylo its there as a reference.Spoiler:
I feel like votato is taking the joke post regarding the PT a little too seriously.In post 251, votato wrote:one more time for clarity: the people i picked as potential scumpartners for freddie are the people who i feel could be possible coaches in scum PT. i dont particularly scumread freddie. i just wanted to share a shower thought to give the town some info/context. and its a thought that in certain contexts could indicate that freddie is scum. alternatively, if freddie does flip scum it narrows the potential partner list significantly.
That's because I said that we have to agree with each other in the mafia chat.In post 311, midwaybear wrote:i am agreeing with everything GeneralWu is saying. WOw
In post 85, votato wrote:mmm, i think we should refrain from speculating too much about people's exact roles, as it only serves scum interests. all we need to do is speculate about who is scum. and putting someone at L-1 is generally not a good idea that early on, but at the same time, it draws a lot of attention to you if you are scum. either way, its a bad play imo, so i dont really know how to sort it without more info.
That is also true.In post 316, midwaybear wrote:yeah, but votato's early game was mostly fine(a couple of questionable overreactions)
like this post seems town-motivatedIn post 85, votato wrote:mmm, i think we should refrain from speculating too much about people's exact roles, as it only serves scum interests. all we need to do is speculate about who is scum. and putting someone at L-1 is generally not a good idea that early on, but at the same time, it draws a lot of attention to you if you are scum. either way, its a bad play imo, so i dont really know how to sort it without more info.
earlier you said you were intentionally acting scummy. now youre saying you thought we'd townread you...In post 279, SleeperSoul wrote:I feel like I've already defended against BM by hard claiming noob. Not sure if he read that part yet, but that's my defense and I'm sticking to it. I agree that I have been inconsistent and delusional. I thought I would be way better at this before joining. I assumed you guys would read me inno because that tended to happen to me in Avalon.
have you read the thread at all? im pretty sure i stated some reasons for sleeper. and obviously midways PT thing was a joke, but in the post he responded to, thats actually what i was getting at.In post 315, GeneralWu wrote:Votato has actually been a bit opportunistic this game.
When people bring up things against Sleeper, he immediately goes and votes Sleeper despite not giving an explanation.
When you brought up the PT joke, he immediately starts speculating on who might be Freddie's partner.
Not gonna lie, this is scummy.
do you think sleeper is scum? if so, you vote for the slot. if not, you dont. if you do vote for the slot, please explain why you think sleeper is scumIn post 319, midwaybear wrote:do I put sleeper soul at L-1 here? I'm really conflicted, and I would feel especially bad if he was town because he's new.
I don't think policy lynches should happen in a 9p because there aren't that many players.In post 257, SleeperSoul wrote:After deleting my initial cold hard gut read on BM from my mind, I looked at his iso and I actually liked his pressure on votato. It would be helpful if BM was active right now for me to get a better read, but right now it's leaning town.
I don't mean to be rude, but at what point do we seriously consider GG as a policy lynch for inactivity?
I kind of want to switch my vote to them, but I guess I'll just UNVOTE: Battle Mage for now.
In post 279, SleeperSoul wrote:I feel like I've already defended against BM by hard claiming noob. Not sure if he read that part yet, but that's my defense and I'm sticking to it. I agree that I have been inconsistent and delusional. I thought I would be way better at this before joining. I assumed you guys would read me inno because that tended to happen to me in Avalon.
I feel like SleeperSoul is being pretty honest here when he says he's new.In post 282, SleeperSoul wrote:I think BM could be tunneling me like I did to him. Would be nice to know who his other votes might be.
I don't think it's that useful to push me because I'm just going to keep using the noob defense. There has already been a lot of criticism levied at me this game, and I agree most of it. I think it would benefit town more to put pressure elsewhere. If you still want to lynch me at the end of the day for playing badly, that's fair.
In post 179, AGar wrote:I don't think gut is indicative of alignment in either direction - plenty of the best players I know start their reads off with gut and then progress from there. Sometimes it's just a perception of how you're posting or interacting that can't be defined that gives someone a tell on alignment. I lean mildly scummy on Sleeper based on what I said in 169, namely his seemingly trying to keep a lot of avenues open, but it's not anything that I'm looking to pursue with a wagon at this point. I'm much more happy trying to garner steam on a GWu wagon at the moment, unless Sleeper moves themselves more firmly into a scumread. It looks like you're townreading Sleeper by this post - why are you pushing on midway's townread of him, then?In post 176, Freddiethelady wrote:BM and Agar in your posts 169 168 id like to ask you both what are the chances that sleeper is making rookie mistakes in your opinion? his continuous references to his gut-feelsies is bad town behavior, and equally bad as a scum behavior. from what i gather, i assume that a newbie scum would probably be far more hesitant to take a stance on issues since he has to fake his town role, where as a town newbie might appear flaky because of his eagerness to participate. my read on him leans town right now. i think he is an easy target right now because he is active in the game...it feels a bit scummy to shade him for that Agar and BM imo.
GWu's posted some surface level content and interaction but doesn't appear to be making any :real: effort to divine the alignments of other players. The defense of BM in 94 still reads too informed to me. 170 uses the word "cautious" a lot when describing Sleeper but that post comes in basically reiterating what BM and I had already posited about Sleeper - it's not a new stance, and it's even - to borrow the descriptor - cautious in and of itself. It hems and haws on the possibility that Sleeper's being cautious but maybe he's just new. Or maybe he doesn't have reads yet. GWu seems very content right now to appear to be scumhunting but not actually contributing to anything.
@midway, gobbleSome scumreads/leans please? Posts that pinged you?
@ApogeeHow do you feel about Sleeper at this point? There's been a good bit of posts since #121. Has the read evolved at all?
I skimmed everything before these posts, and no you have not provided reasons for voting Sleeper.