Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

[UnaBombaH]

Btw guys - I assume Flippy will arrive to the thread while I'm away and guarantee to everyone that I have 0% weapon in me.
Meaning I'm an inno for today

Finnish midsummer (Juhannus ) is a national holiday for mandatory alcohol abuse, so

I will be more or less completely away for friday-saturday-sunday.

I'll be checking the thread once I'm completely certain I'm still alive and not drunk anymore.

Peace and Love - UnaB

So you're confirming Flippy's claim? Excellent

Well, obviously there could be other fruit-vending action in the works as well, but I did receive a fruit.
No flavor or anything.
Just that I received a fruit.

[Gypyx]

So we're ignoring the bit where he explicitly claimed that 'somebody tried to off him'?

Somebody explain this interpretation to me reeeeally slowly because I'm not seeing it at all

Basically, i'm seeing this post as

"I wanted to watch Flipy in case he had a real claim, and that therefore scum would want to kill him"

[UnaBombaH]

So we're ignoring the bit where he explicitly claimed that 'somebody tried to off him'?

Somebody explain this interpretation to me reeeeally slowly because I'm not seeing it at all

PLEASE, read before posting.

Before anyone goes "What did Prana do?"

I watched Flippy in case his claim was true, and somebody tried to off him

, nobody else visited him last night.

That one comma probably threw everyone off, because it did me too when I read it quickly..

That first bolded part is meant to be one thought. The combination of that comma+"and" alters the meaning.
Maybe it's easier for me to see since english isn't my native language at all, but that's the way I saw it after blinking twice.
I initially read it the same as you.

[notscience]

You aren’t lunching ne today and I’m not letting you near gyp.

Prana or bust we clearly have something out there that inhibited scum and he’s trying to draw them out.

[notscience]

Wait reading might be tech

[Emperor flippyNips]

Btw guys - I assume Flippy will arrive to the thread while I'm away and guarantee to everyone that I have 0% weapon in me.
Meaning I'm an inno for today

Finnish midsummer (Juhannus ) is a national holiday for mandatory alcohol abuse, so

I will be more or less completely away for friday-saturday-sunday.

I'll be checking the thread once I'm completely certain I'm still alive and not drunk anymore.

Peace and Love - UnaB

So you're confirming Flippy's claim? Excellent

I’m here to confirm una’s claim

[notscience]

UNVOTE:

Unsure atm.

[Klick]

So we're ignoring the bit where he explicitly claimed that 'somebody tried to off him'?

Somebody explain this interpretation to me reeeeally slowly because I'm not seeing it at all

PLEASE, read before posting.

Before anyone goes "What did Prana do?"

I watched Flippy in case his claim was true, and somebody tried to off him

, nobody else visited him last night.

That one comma probably threw everyone off, because it did me too when I read it quickly..

That first bolded part is meant to be one thought. The combination of that comma+"and" alters the meaning.
Maybe it's easier for me to see since english isn't my native language at all, but that's the way I saw it after blinking twice.
I initially read it the same as you.

UNVOTE:
This makes sense.

Equally, I'm not the only person who couldn't see it until this explanation. No need to be a jerk about it.

[notscience]

So flippy does that mean unas clean?

[Emperor flippyNips]

I think una is right about the Prana thing but I would love to hear it directly from them

[Klick]

Yeah okay that makes a lot more sense than him being all like 'I got a mysterious result' and then... not giving it.

[notscience]

Klick is it the right play for possible bps or role blockers to claim here or no

[notscience]

I’m not fishing just asking based off the lack of kill

[Emperor flippyNips]

So flippy does that mean unas clean?

Well he’s unarmed so if he’s scum he’s either a traitor or some other role that can’t make kills that I don’t know about. But for this day phase at least I’d say he’s clear

[notscience]

So I was right and both wagons yesterday were trash lmao

[Klick]

Klick is it the right play for possible bps or role blockers to claim here or no

BPs should probably not claim? I personally would basically never claim BP or Commuter if I was one on principle, unless it was necessary. For RBs it would be situational based on if they feel like they caused the no-kill.

[notscience]

That’s fair.

I’m just wondering if something stopped it that could be a cc to prana

[Klick]

How's that work?

[bob3141]

If the kill was blocked then thats a good indication that the blocked player was scum.

If some claims roleblocker then ill back up their vote with mine.

[Gypyx]

So flippy does that mean unas clean?

Well he’s unarmed so if he’s scum he’s either a traitor or some other role that can’t make kills that I don’t know about. But for this day phase at least I’d say he’s clear

Pretty sure doctors show up as don't having a gun (at least that's what i've been reading on the wiki)

[Battle Mage]

You aren’t lunching ne today and I’m not letting you near gyp.

Prana or bust we clearly have something out there that inhibited scum and he’s trying to draw them out.

wtf dude, leave the watcher alone. he wasn't fishing, you're just full of it

[PranaDevil]

Before anyone goes "What did Prana do?"

I watched Flippy in case his claim was true, and somebody tried to off him, nobody else visited him last night.

Fuck me.

Nobody... Nobody tried to off him.

I watched him IN CASE somebody tried to kill him.

Nobody showed up to kill him.

Assuming Una is telling the truth, that likely means Flippy checked Una last night, meaning Flippy and Una are either both scum, or are both town.

Before anyone goes "What did Prana do?"

I watched Flippy in case his claim was true, and somebody tried to off him, nobody

else

visited him last night.

Because obviously Prana visited him.

Jesus wept...

Yes people, I visited Flippy last night, and literally nobody else did.

I figured that either myself or Flippy were nice comfortable targets for scum being as we were outed PRs (Assuming Flippy was town, it was worth the risk of him being scum I felt). If I survived, over Flippy, I could at least trade the Watcher role for the scum role, and if I was taken out, well it made no odds anyway.

Obviously, with no kill happening, other shenanigans stopped things happening.

If we assume Flippy is town, and Una is telling the truth, then it wasn't Flippy being hit with a JailKeeper type role, as his role still happened.

I would suggest any roleblocker that succeeded doesn't come right out of the gate and say who they are, as trading the Roleblocker for the scum would be a bad idea.

Ditto if we have a doctor role.

There's no guarantee that they are the only role that could have prevented the kill (though balance assumes they would be... based on mine and Una's last game... I'm trusting fuck all to balance). So outing yourself would be bad, especially as you may accidentally "confirm" a scum via a doctor.

Also...

Idk what proxy vote means man, i assume it's something like saying you'll vote the same guy than said guy does?

And what is your current stance on Prana, does his absence of result make him more or less susp in your opinion?

It's not an "absence" of a result.

Think about it this way:

I announced who I targeted VERY early. I announced nobody targeted Flippy.

If someone HAD targeted him, then I'd be killed rather swiftly because anyone who did visit him would counter my statement. (Or at least use that as a reason to push a case on me later).

As an outed Watcher, every day I survive I can be clear on if anyone visited someone. I may not reveal who, because that feels like a really stupid idea to me as it outs other PRs, but it allows me to know who to potentially trust more than others.

[Battle Mage]

So flippy does that mean unas clean?

Well he’s unarmed so if he’s scum he’s either a traitor or some other role that can’t make kills that I don’t know about. But for this day phase at least I’d say he’s clear

Pretty sure doctors show up as don't having a gun (at least that's what i've been reading on the wiki)

dude, this is the worst fishing ever.

also it probably is worth saying that the lack of a kill could suggest 1 of the PR claims is legit (if protective role kicked in). On balance, not looking to lynch Prana today, scummy or not. Investigative town PRs are useful.

[notscience]

How's that work?

I don’t really remember what actually ccs it but it’s more protective, right? I saw no kill and I’m wondering if we have a doc or something but I vaguely remember having that combo together in a game is super op

[Battle Mage]

Before anyone goes "What did Prana do?"

I watched Flippy in case his claim was true, and somebody tried to off him, nobody else visited him last night.

Fuck me.

Nobody... Nobody tried to off him.

I watched him IN CASE somebody tried to kill him.

Nobody showed up to kill him.

Assuming Una is telling the truth, that likely means Flippy checked Una last night, meaning Flippy and Una are either both scum, or are both town.

No, it would confirm Una as town, and suggest Flippy has the ability to give fruit. Not sure why we'd assume that makes him town?

Una being town is v helpful though, in terms of wagon analysis yesterday. Someone go do that.

Before anyone goes "What did Prana do?"

I watched Flippy in case his claim was true, and somebody tried to off him, nobody

else

visited him last night.

Because obviously Prana visited him.

Jesus wept...

Yes people, I visited Flippy last night, and literally nobody else did.

I figured that either myself or Flippy were nice comfortable targets for scum being as we were outed PRs (Assuming Flippy was town, it was worth the risk of him being scum I felt). If I survived, over Flippy, I could at least trade the Watcher role for the scum role, and if I was taken out, well it made no odds anyway.

Obviously, with no kill happening, other shenanigans stopped things happening.

If we assume Flippy is town, and Una is telling the truth, then it wasn't Flippy being hit with a JailKeeper type role, as his role still happened.

I would suggest any roleblocker that succeeded doesn't come right out of the gate and say who they are, as trading the Roleblocker for the scum would be a bad idea.

Ditto if we have a doctor role.

There's no guarantee that they are the only role that could have prevented the kill (though balance assumes they would be... based on mine and Una's last game... I'm trusting fuck all to balance). So outing yourself would be bad, especially as you may accidentally "confirm" a scum via a doctor.

Also...

Idk what proxy vote means man, i assume it's something like saying you'll vote the same guy than said guy does?

And what is your current stance on Prana, does his absence of result make him more or less susp in your opinion?

It's not an "absence" of a result.

Think about it this way:

I announced who I targeted VERY early. I announced nobody targeted Flippy.

If someone HAD targeted him, then I'd be killed rather swiftly because anyone who did visit him would counter my statement. (Or at least use that as a reason to push a case on me later).

As an outed Watcher, every day I survive I can be clear on if anyone visited someone. I may not reveal who, because that feels like a really stupid idea to me as it outs other PRs, but it allows me to know who to potentially trust more than others.

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It is true that your watcher claim bears an element of risk if fake. Of course, a scum watcher is presumably possible too? Unlikely perhaps.