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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:50 pm

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I'm gobsmacked...
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:54 pm

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sleeper is town
"It is not our ignorance that will kill us, but our arrogance"
"I expect that 90% of what you say to me is one form of trickery or another" - a friend irl
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:56 pm

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In post 449, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 444, Battle Mage wrote:In post 384, GG wrote:
In post 152, SleeperSoul wrote:
In the past when I used to play poker, I tended to read way too deep. My style was to try to set up traps, and be afraid that everyone else is setting up traps like me. So bet low whenever I'm actually strong to trap people. And I would tend to think that most low bets from other people was them setting up traps, even though statistically low bets should indicate a weak hand.

^^Not sure how useful this is to anyone, I just had to get it out finally.


Why did you feel compelled to say this?


guilty conscience

You don't think I feel guilty as town for confusing everyone and possibly getting them to mislynch me, a townie? wtf?
1. Nobody lynched you, or even came close, so that's just not plausible.
2. You've claimed you've been deliberately faking your suspicions to deceive everyone, and even continued to do so after this happened. It's impossible for anyone to believe that you felt guilty for confusing people to the point of blurting out an apology, only to then go back to being confusing and trying to "trap scum" by lying about who you suspect. You still haven't explained how your supposed trap was meant to work. It looks like a stitch up to me.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:57 pm

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In post 451, votato wrote:sleeper is town
if that is the case, we have a big problem.

Do you actually think I'm scum here? And if so, why?
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:59 pm

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Keep stretching BM, it's good for your health.
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:01 pm

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erm, it's not a stretch dude - you should actually respond to my arguments and explain your actions.
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:07 pm

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BM your attack on me in viewtopic.php?p=11912941#p11912941 just sucks. I expect more from someone who claims to be so good at this game.

Happy?
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:08 pm

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BM who's my scum partner? votato?
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:14 pm

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In post 456, SleeperSoul wrote:BM your attack on me in viewtopic.php?p=11912941#p11912941 just sucks. I expect more from someone who claims to be so good at this game.

Happy?
Am I happy with your defence being "you suck"? Let me see....it's about on a par with "You can't lynch me, I'm playing my noobie card" :lol:

I also only claimed to be any good as scum - I'm not scum here, so even that point isn't correct. :facepalm:

As far as your scumpartner, maybe you should tell me that? Of course, I won't believe you, but you can certainly try.

I do encourage everyone to read the points I've made in respect of Sleeper this morning. Never seen a newbie look scummier on Day 1. :eek:
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:18 pm

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You claim to have (over?) 10 years in mafia experience. I claim to have played avalon with my friends in high school.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:20 pm

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Most of my mafia experience in terms of hours comes from watching twitch. And watching twitch is almost nothing like playing on the forum.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:22 pm

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none of this prevents you from attempting to respond to me?
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:24 pm

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I honestly think that 'responding' to you is not in town's best interest.
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:26 pm

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I mean other townies might be able to pull it off, but I don't think me 'responding' to you is in town's best interest.
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:28 pm

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I think I've been showing myself as town the best I can this game this past hour or so.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:33 pm

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In post 457, SleeperSoul wrote:BM who's my scum partner?
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:35 pm

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In post 458, Battle Mage wrote:As far as your scumpartner, maybe you should tell me that? Of course, I won't believe you, but you can certainly try.
Sorry, I missed your nonanswer because it didn't contain a name.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:36 pm

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I'm trying to help town read both of us by asking you who you think my scum partner is.
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:42 pm

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And believe it or not, I'm still trying to read you, but you're only giving me reasons to read you scum.
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:49 pm

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You seem to have firmly decided that I'm actually better at the game than I am. Like you think I'm an alt of someone you know or something.

I'm telling you, this is my first forum mafia game, and my only playing experience was based on body language metas.

You seem to be incapable of reassessing your view on me.
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:52 pm

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Well I seem to be the only one left talking. Off to bed.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:45 pm

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Nope, can't sleep.

You know, I don't know why BM is so stubborn.

I came into the game with delusions of grandeur born from meta-rich live Avalon play. After realizing those delusions I apologized for having them. Well if I didn't, I'm apologizing now. Since then I've made efforts to improve my play... I think I've been more consistent and townie.... but how much am I supposed to be able to improve in one game to be able to satisfy BM's town read on me?

I can see much more clearly why claiming noob is so bad in forum mafia. But I never had to worry about that with my friends because we were all noob at the same time.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Maybe now I can sleep.
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:08 pm

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BM You claim to be specifically GOOD AT SCUM. You should have clear ideas about who my scum partners are, no?
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:03 pm

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BM why do you seem so insistent that I 'respond' to your arguments the way you want me to? You don't think any townies can possibly read us just from having our little back and forth? I do.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:22 pm

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Hey BM, calculate this for me:

Who feels more guilty?

The townie who confuses everyone and gets mislynched, letting down himself and 7 other townies.

The scum who confuses everyone and gets mislynched, letting down himself and 1 scum.

I need the results on my desk yesterday, written on rice paper.

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