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[Battle Mage]

I rolled scum again!?!?

I feel like this is the most I’ve seen of pre-2010 join dates in one game, P—Coool

You're welcome!


Hello ladies!

[Battle Mage]

Ok a few questions:

1. Why are people voting for me?
2. Have I claimed yet? If so, what did I claim?
3. Who else has claimed?

Also hi Farside, nice to see you again!

[Battle Mage]

It's fun to see Hoopa avoiding making a claim in post 1.

Claim Night 1 Vig

This is something that should be worked out as well.

ah shit I claimed already

[Battle Mage]

a meme claim, you say?

i don't know how i feel about someone treating the early game with such disrespect.

a meme claim, you say?

i don't know how i feel about someone treating the early game with such disrespect.

weak open. suspicious. only scum be so serious.

Currently I have cooldog and notsci as potential scum for going in to night prep immediately. Seems like a scum thing to focus on right now no?

Vote: Cooldog

Pretty good reads based on the first 2 pages.

It's apparently not painfully obvious. I'm not a vig.

Jeebus, that claim fell apart quickly....

It's already pretty obvious I will need to read every single post to work out what the fk my current fakeclaim story is. Can you tell I'm excited?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: battle mage

pre-emptive OMGUS eh? I might hold fire on the rest of my read through until we can all agree I'm not being lynched today. Let's go team!

[Battle Mage]

actually that doesn't make since.

VOTE: farside

You got any reasons for these votes bro?

[Battle Mage]

Ok Hoopla is town (for making a mad gambit on like Page 2 to collaborate for the whole Day 1 with a poorly justified townread, which is just too absurd for scum to try and pull). Emperor Flippynips is town for using the word "kill" instead of "lynch" - this sort of thing can get people excited, don't think scum does it as often as town. Agar is townlean so far for not bothering to explain his votes until pressed, even when he had legitimate reasons.

Why do I know his name? Do you have a tell or something named after you?

me?

why is nobody answering my questions? help a brother out...

[Battle Mage]

Lucky I arrived when I did innit?

Vote Count Day 1.09

Emperor flippyNips

(2):

PranaDevil, Gypyx,

Espeonage

(2):

LicketyQuickety,

Hoopla

Hoopla

(2):

CooLDoG, Hiraki

UnaBombaH (2):

renaissance, gobbledygook

CooLDoG (1):

Espeonage

gobbledygook (1):

AGar

Gypyx(1):

notscience

renaissance (1):

UnaBombaH

Not Voting (1):

Emperor flippyNips

Espeonage has until about 1 PM EST to post or will be replaced.

There are (expired on 2020-06-17 06:05:00) remaining in Day 1
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.[/area]

[Battle Mage]

And yes you

I don't have tells, I'm amazing as scum. I'm...improving as town.

[Battle Mage]

No one has claimed.

I’m voting you because espe expresses a read on me with reasoning that wasn’t true- my iso proved it. When questioned on it he avoided answering then just said he roped me in which shows he doesn’t care to discern my alignment which typically means he knew it

Excellent thanks.

Espe isn't here anymore, let it go man. No beef!

Also I've only read as far as page 4, and I can already tell that's

exactly

what Espe would do - think he had roped you in with some clever ruse.

[Battle Mage]

Do enlighten me. Because it took way too long to get a damn answer

Are you seriously, like, taking a shitty tone with me because of some beef you had with my predecessor?

I bet Farside is gonna be so excited to see me in this game...maybe?

[Battle Mage]

His night prep comment re me never happened and when questioned he first stalled answering then said he just roped me in there which shows he doesn’t care to divine my alignment which typically means he knows it

No one has claimed.

I’m voting you because espe expresses a read on me with reasoning that wasn’t true- my iso proved it. When questioned on it he avoided answering then just said he roped me in which shows he doesn’t care to discern my alignment which typically means he knew it

Hold on a sec, the reason for your vote on me now is because of a gambit my predecessor ran on page 1? When you initially explained this I thought he'd done something else since. But you haven't noticed anything else more interesting or suspicious in over 20 pages since?

Maybe I won't read the rest then, on that basis.

[Battle Mage]

hoopla -

do you have any evidence to backup whatever this stupid "HAHA" system is? those numbers have no value unless there's something behind it. i didn't see anything after a quick search. not to mention, your model has a lot of assumptions that i don't know who would get behind, without further analysis (which is why I am skeptical of it in the first place, as neat as I think game theory in mafia is) - for example, your model goes into the fact that 39/50 games have "scum" as being under 23%. How is the 23% calculated? Could there potentially be a point where 2 scum are slightly above that threshold and one scum drags them down? Then I don't think 23% is a fair number, no? And if 23% goes up, I'm sure that 39/50 is not solid either. Which means that your underlying "towntelling" theory isn't very valid and doesn't make sense.

i did a little digging too - no one in this game has posted over 23% when taking a sum of the average and the average of all in the thread as of your data set was 30.615. that would mean that your circle conveniently misses the one person that everyone has put up weird looks for in your town block -

renaissance

. what is even

more

convenient is that the number you went with to highlight your data was 23 while renaissance has

24

posts.

lastly, if we get rid of the two outliers in this thread (i think this helps the dataset become more uniform but i understand the underlying problem here) - your average goes from that 30.615 above to 32.991 which gets rid of every player but Gypyx, gooble & CooLDoG

i don't think this really makes a lot of sense and i'm starting to just feel weird about the clearly soft defenses of renaissance here that don't consider anything that renaissance has posted

Big effort, big brain here.

[Battle Mage]

Ok a few questions:

1. Why are people voting for me?
2. Have I claimed yet? If so, what did I claim?
3. Who else has claimed?

Also hi Farside, nice to see you again!

Hi bm! You know i was killed n2 and that was before that game went to shit. So i don't hate you.
If your town i hoped you learned from that game.

This interaction with ns makes me feel better about him.

Haha I didn't know anyone "hated" me as such, just thought I sucked! It's just a game, and I tried my best...

Don't worry, in every game since I've been very clear that my reads suck. And actually, I've been on a good run of form since then!

NS is my only scumvibe at the moment - it's a bit of a copout to just stick with your read from Page 2, when it's now Page 24, and it wasn't a very good read to begin with. Easy scumplay, unlikely for town to be that obsessive (I realise people like me are the exception!)

Farside are you town here? I'm gonna need a pinky promise I'm afraid...

[Battle Mage]

Aha!

Gypyx is scum.

VOTE: Gypyx

[Battle Mage]

Ok a few questions:

1. Why are people voting for me?
2. Have I claimed yet? If so, what did I claim?
3. Who else has claimed?

Also hi Farside, nice to see you again!

Hi bm! You know i was killed n2 and that was before that game went to shit. So i don't hate you.
If your town i hoped you learned from that game.

This interaction with ns makes me feel better about him.

Haha I didn't know anyone "hated" me as such, just thought I sucked! It's just a game, and I tried my best...

Don't worry, in every game since I've been very clear that my reads suck. And actually, I've been on a good run of form since then!

NS is my only scumvibe at the moment - it's a bit of a copout to just stick with your read from Page 2, when it's now Page 24, and it wasn't a very good read to begin with. Easy scumplay, unlikely for town to be that obsessive (I realise people like me are the exception!)

Farside are you town here? I'm gonna need a pinky promise I'm afraid...

I am on page 6 so im not sure why ns still has a scum read from page 4.
Why is gypx scum? I know i had a scum ping on him early on.
Im town. Ill probably die by n2 again.

I'll post some explanation on Gypx later, just read his ISO for now!

Yeah if you're alive in LyLo, I'm lynching you for sure. Maybe you should claim vanilla now just to try and stave off the inevitable NK

I've already posted more than my predecessor and 2 other players who were here since the start

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: battle mage

pre-emptive OMGUS eh? I might hold fire on the rest of my read through until we can all agree I'm not being lynched today. Let's go team!

no, I just thought you were double backing on your vig claim from espe, meaning actually coming back and claiming it legitimately. THen i realized it makes sense to wait for d2 if that were the case.

You're seriously going to try and lynch me on Day 2 on the basis of a bogus Vig claim?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

Not fooling me again

1. Did I fool you before?

2. Looks like I sorta fooled you here if you're voting for me...

[Battle Mage]

well this could be short-lived!

[Battle Mage]

Basically I felt really weird and not sure how I wanted to play it coming in and just focused on brain spew and have since relaxed

Unfortunately I'm not going to spend time trying to explain what you already know, in respect of my predecessors actions which could scarcely matter any less anyway.

Instead I think the plan is try to survive and get a lynch on someone not in my town-bloc, preferably Gypyx-scum who everyone seems to have missed.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

Not fooling me again

1. Did I fool you before?

2. Looks like I sorta fooled you here if you're voting for me...

Ah sorry GG, I remember now!

[Battle Mage]

also GG you should have confidence in your ability to read me now, so maybe not lynch me Day 1? just sayin'

[Battle Mage]

hi farside and battle mage! welcome to the game.

i'm looking forward to us olds showing these whipper snappers a thing or two about mafia. here is an advanced move that will shock the readers: an aggressive wagon-hop based on intuition

UNVOTE:
VOTE: unabombah

Hi Hoopla!

I'm not town-reading Unabombah yet but he is a good amigo of mine, so I feel slightly reluctant to him lynch him. I'm getting sentimental in my old age.

[Battle Mage]

@turkey

thoughts on una? i sense a potential speedwagon opportunity...

~~

@BM

i always thought it was the olds who had the ability to pony up and make difficult decisions, unlike these kids who need to waffle on for 1000+ posts before lynching someone. don't tell me you've lost your touch!

Haha no I can definitely still bust a move or two, if the beat is right.

what is the case on Una?

[Battle Mage]

a bastion of logic? I nearly spat frooty loops all over my screen!

I'll give your posts the dignity and respect they deserve after I've slept.

[Battle Mage]

a bastion of logic? I nearly spat frooty loops all over my screen!

I'll give your posts the dignity and respect they deserve after I've slept.

actually, i may be mixing you up with vollkan.

no matter. pretend you are him;)

yea prolly…

At a glance, you're saying that he's town because he speculated randomly and pointlessly about who a mafia traitor might be? My initial thought on that is:

1. Speculation about scum traitors is a boring and pointless endeavour, and a good way for scum to post without posting anything useful.
2. Ain't someone genuinely hunting for a scum traitor more likely to be scum than town?

[Battle Mage]

literally nothing happened in the last 5 pages

try turning it off and on again

[Battle Mage]

A few people (namely me and agar) think there is as no reason a new person brings it up out of the blue unless they are scum with a traitor or the traitor

But lynching someone bc they might be a traitor is kinda a witch hunt

I agree with this. Bringing up a traitor is mildly scummy, definitely not a towntell as some are inferring...

[Battle Mage]

If farside and BM make good catchups, there may still be hope for a solid D1-lynch.

How about Gypyx.

I'm pretty willing to believe you're town at this point - identical vibes to our last game together. Just an honest guy, doin' the Lord's work.

[Battle Mage]

violently?

[Battle Mage]

and battle mage, i've already explained why I'm cautious of traitors in post 378 and I was not

specifically

hunting traitors you know, I consider it as a scumread like the others and therefore I bring it up

so, can we avoid going through another 5 pages of traitor spec?

I didn't bring up the traitor thing. Also you claimed you went through every role in the wiki? And you're worried there's a traitor here?

[Battle Mage]

I'm procrasting a lot on reading. I'm playing this out even if I just go from here and get reads. Right now. Still feeling Cooldog as scum.
GG: I'm curious why you are sheeping people this game. I don't recall you doing that without voicing your own thoughts.

I am the most obv town player in this game. Can't wait to say I told you so if you dummies lynch me.

Don't worry, we won't be dumb enough to lynch you

today

Why is Agar being so rude to you?

[Battle Mage]

I'm procrasting a lot on reading. I'm playing this out even if I just go from here and get reads. Right now. Still feeling Cooldog as scum.
GG: I'm curious why you are sheeping people this game. I don't recall you doing that without voicing your own thoughts.

I can dig some of that dog

[Battle Mage]

V/LA 24 hours

[Battle Mage]

so can the main proponents of the leading wagons explain the case

And can the leading opponents explain the case against the wagons

Perhaps you can start by going one better than your predecessor, and explaining your vote on me?

[Battle Mage]

If Agar was right and Gypyx is scum, I’m going to have egg all over my face

oi, I was the first one to say Gypyx is scum, I want the credit.

[Battle Mage]

mod you have two battlemage categories

I apologize, my mouse is breaking so I must have pasted twice. Should be getting a new mouse today

Don't worry, I'm at my best when the deck is stacked against me

[Battle Mage]

GG is at -1? this makes me sad. what did he do to deserve it?

[Battle Mage]

Want to cournerwagon Gypyx with me?

Voting scum now doesn't completely clean your slate with me. This is little more than a vanity wagon now unfortunately, and you waited until -1 to do it? It's a bit limp.

[Battle Mage]

I'm assuming:

Emperor Flippynips
Unabombah
Gobbledygook
Hoopla
Klick

are all town.

easy game so far.

[Battle Mage]

so can the main proponents of the leading wagons explain the case

And can the leading opponents explain the case against the wagons

Perhaps you can start by going one better than your predecessor, and explaining your vote on me?

How can i explain someone elses vote Im not a mind reader.


UNVOTE:

don't ask me, ask Notscience - he gave me that treatment when I replaced in too.

[Battle Mage]

I'm assuming:

Emperor Flippynips
Unabombah
Gobbledygook
Hoopla
Klick

are all town.

easy game so far.

This is bad posting.

All three of my scum reads are on this list.

Bad posting? It's a readslist...wtf were you expecting!?

I'm not really surprised though - given one of my scumreads is YOU.

[Battle Mage]

Want to cournerwagon Gypyx with me?

Voting scum now doesn't completely clean your slate with me. This is little more than a vanity wagon now unfortunately, and you waited until -1 to do it? It's a bit limp.

I’m pretty sure that’s a bad misinterpretation of how I approached it.

I brought the wagon to l-2, he did his shady fos thing. I called him out on it and then he brought it to l-1.

I voted him because

A)id already been suspecting him most of the day check my iso

B) that vote was sketchy as fuck, his entire last few pages was

C)klick asked for more time.

I can dig all of that (except C, but whatevs...)

[Battle Mage]

so can the main proponents of the leading wagons explain the case

And can the leading opponents explain the case against the wagons

Perhaps you can start by going one better than your predecessor, and explaining your vote on me?

How can i explain someone elses vote Im not a mind reader.


UNVOTE:

don't ask me, ask Notscience - he gave me that treatment when I replaced in too.

Do i have to hold a card to my head.


Your card is the jack of spades

excellent...I'm all in!

[Battle Mage]

I don't want to rolefish but I am incredibly curious about why 3 people have replaced out of Klick's slot on Day 1 (so far). It must be a fricking horrible role. Vanilla Miller? Unlynchable Jester? Scum with me?

[Battle Mage]

I'ma gonna grill some pork chops, corns, and some pineapple. Been masturbating all day.... gonna catch up tonight.

I assumed it was a typo based on your sig, so I corrected it.

[Battle Mage]

I'm assuming:

Emperor Flippynips
Unabombah
Gobbledygook
Hoopla
Klick

are all town.

easy game so far.

This is bad posting.

All three of my scum reads are on this list.

Bad posting? It's a readslist...wtf were you expecting!?

I'm not really surprised though - given one of my scumreads is YOU.

I've never been mentioned in your ISO as a scum read of yours... so that's a very interesting statement...

Hey, the devil's in the detail, if you know what I mean.

[Battle Mage]

i have a prana/unabombah scumteam, by the way.

not sure who the third is yet, but it isn't the turkey. i'm quietly confident he is town, and am hoping the non-voters, replacements and vanity vote-parkers select una ahead of him.

i'd be voting prana way ahead of una. and keepin' it real - the unabombah wagon ain't shit right now. Momentum says we lynch Gypyx.

[Battle Mage]

What did you think of gyps l-1 vote and the actions leading up to it

scummy as hell!!

VOTE: gypyx

[Battle Mage]

notscience, keep fighting the good fight, i'm off to sleep

[Battle Mage]

Agar defending Gypyx - to note

[Battle Mage]

i have a prana/unabombah scumteam, by the way.

not sure who the third is yet, but it isn't the turkey. i'm quietly confident he is town, and am hoping the non-voters, replacements and vanity vote-parkers select una ahead of him.

i'd be voting prana way ahead of una. and keepin' it real - the unabombah wagon ain't shit right now. Momentum says we lynch Gypyx.

Wait wait, but why Gypyx over Gobbledy?

GG is in my townblock, definitely not lynching him today, he's conftown.

[Battle Mage]

don't be shy una.

maybe this is the watershed moment that can help unite us and make us realise we're both town?? a moment of divine compromise.

and then i die and you realize im town & i find out you're scum?

if she scum, she know you town tho?

[Battle Mage]

this late in? aint we got like a week till deadline? cool your jets bro....

[Battle Mage]

keep calm, and lynch scum

[Battle Mage]

Also just saying it’s incredibly obvious the rotating door slot is town.

i'll reserve judgement on that for now

[Battle Mage]

V/LA until Sunday.

[Battle Mage]

but it was a BIG one....

[Battle Mage]

L-2 apparently

- be aware about this potentially being false since official votecount hasn't been given in a while.

excellent, I am on bored!

VOTE: PranaDevil

[Battle Mage]

I haven’t had the chance to read in depth yet bc it’s hella walls

We’re out getting brunch I intended to read this morning but surprise last minute plans

brunch me daddy!

[Battle Mage]

it was L-1...he/she could still have claimed. Now I have to re-read right? pffft….

[Battle Mage]

My reads so far have been dismissed more or less, and I guess I've deserved that with my own posting then.
Like I said earlier this game, and I've said many many times in other situations as well - I think that if enough people vote to lynch me, there's something wrong with MY play as well.
That being said, I'm disappointed for not having a votecount of my wagon at it's latest peak.

I am very confident there were 1-2 scum on me at the time CoolDog joined as well.

My top guesses for scum would have to be amongst

gobbledygook, Klick, CoolDog

ON

the wagon (1-2 there), and

Prana

off the wagon with that latest post.
These are my top4 scumreads, and while I'm not saying there's literally the full team in there, I wouldn't be surprised to find 2.
Guess I gotta misread someone as town..

I truly believe

Gypyx

is noobtown, and

EmperorFlippynips

is doing Flippynips-things.
Not feeling as confident about them because some of their posts still rub me the wrong way, but wouldn't consider them too scummy either.

AGar

and

Hiraki

are likely my top townreads, and I do not see either of them being scum this game.

Bob

and

Battlemage

are both slots that have had replacements, right?
Neither has taken a solid stance on me or Gobbledy as far as I know?
I think both of them should, and if they have, I apologise for missing it.
These slots are both in the middle for me simply because I haven't got an idea on which way to lean on them yet.

Hoopla

and

notscience

are the hardest slots for me to sort right now.
I have this unnatural gutfeel and read on Hoopla being town here, and yet I do not feel my usual paranoia whenever I get one of these as early as D1.
notscience isn't "null" in the sense that I can't find anything alignment indicative about them, but more so because they have managed to come across scummy to me in the start, and yet look more towny as the game progressed. And still, I do not like the position they have amongst my scumreads, which keeps them from getting that green color in my eyes..

I guess these are as far as I can push myself slotting people D1.

I'm pretty sure I said Gobbledy was conftown...let me ISO myself to refresh my memory...

[Battle Mage]

Yeah but I’m not chill with lolhammers

BAH, you're no fun!

[Battle Mage]

I’m still around. I would like to iso una but I’m not gonna be around tomorrow. Currently I’m still not on board for a gobble or una kill, I liked my last interactions with NS I got decent vibes from him. Other than that I’m at a loss for who I want to vote. I like where I am now. I really have no clue who else could be scum

The wagon for prana is taking all applicants who think the other wagons are bad, we thank you for your consideration in these trying times and hope you decide to join our righteous wagon.

This is me!

You know if you’re town you could help us lunch that scum candidate

Lunch or brunch? Do you have a food based post restriction?

Also I'll UNVOTE: because I am a paragon of safety-first virtue

[Battle Mage]

We are ending up with lunch but it was supposed to be brunch but we were having transport issues so now it’s lunch

then how come you said lunch here, before you said brunch? Something doesn't add up!

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: notscience

[Battle Mage]

Only scum would miss brunch.
VOTE: notscience

Hard claim: Brunch Daycop.

Notscience did, in fact, have brunch.
Lynch All Liars.

Only scum would miss brunch
Notscience did not miss brunch
so why did you vote Notscience here?
And that claim is too ridiculous for a normal game surely.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Klick

You fell right into my trap! I got one!

[Battle Mage]

I'm suspicious of AGar for just tunnelling someone and not really engaging with anything else, like what I'm doing!

[Battle Mage]

Can we maybe not lolvote at this point in D1? Like, fuck. Having a hard enough time as it is keeping shit straight, lolvotes with 3ish days to deadline are a fucking waste of a post.

I don't know about you, but part of the reason I play this is, in fact, to have fun.

VOTE: Una

I can dig the having fun stuff...maybe I was hasty with you. UNVOTE:

He spent the entire day playing under the radar and responded to being called out for it by saying “its how I play as town ask x”.

Nothing he’s said is risky at all- he’s the definition of safe and under the radar

YES, I dig this!

Literally until I pointed out no one had a fleshed out thought about him and Noones noticed

Hard claim: Brunch Daycop.

Notscience did, in fact, have brunch.
Lynch All Liars.

Nah man, i'm a brunch vendor he's fine there

Dude, you're still scum I reckon. And although I like ya, notscience, that last page and all the appealing to Klick didn't look great.

[Battle Mage]

One of these days, despite being a shit player, I'm gonna fluke an amazing performance and get a scummy award

[Battle Mage]

I just hope this story ends with "I've brought a girl back to my house...but I've left her in bed by herself because I have to update everyone on my forum mafia game"

[Battle Mage]

Hoopla, as offended as I am that I make you nauseous, perhaps you're right, and Prana is being bussed! She should be, as she is obvscum. So let's lynch her and then we can pick apart the wagon?

[Battle Mage]

also, if I die tonight, please lynch gypyx tomorrow!

[Battle Mage]

Honestly hoops the only one I’m not crazy about is bm

uhhhhh why? I'm super town!

[Battle Mage]

I think the optimal play is a gypyx lynch, but Prana is a compromise for me. If Prana flips scum, we are lynching Gypyx tomorrow, and I will be elected Player Leader! If Prana flips town, you can do what you want, and I'll go into hibernation or something.

[Battle Mage]

Alternatively is there is a bus vote on it and prana is scum it’s likely late on the wagon.

or it's just you, since you're not-so-subtly shading me as a fall-guy for tomorrow (despite the fact I was the first person to actually suspect Prana iirc).

[Battle Mage]

Hoopla - it's Prana->notscience->gypyx

[Battle Mage]

You’re welcome to try tomorrow buddy

I'm welcome to try today, I'm sure!

[Battle Mage]

it was interesting that Cooldog seemed a little nervous in response to my vote on you earlier. And he is early on the Prana wagon, which you've said means he is town.

[Battle Mage]

I think you were eating?

[Battle Mage]

i feel like for prana to be scum, he is being bussed by both members, or i have some crucial reads wrong.

Who do you think that is?
Do you believe Flippy’s claim?

also, if I die tonight, please lynch gypyx tomorrow!

1. Why Gypyx?
2. Why do you think you’re going to die?
3. This post is mega ew

——

Oddly enough, I think I am coming around to Agar town. I think I mistook his aggression and pushy nature to be scum posturing, but I think that’s just his nature and he just pushing bad takes.

really dude? you've like, played with me before, as scum. use all that big brain knowledge!

I don't necessarily think I'll die, but it's just me getting my last requests in, just in case.

Gypyx is my top scum read. It's so obvious, I haven't even gone to the trouble of spelling it out.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: prana

let's do it!

[Battle Mage]

Let’s kill Battle Mage if Una isn’t happening?

the fuck? I thought we were friends?

[Battle Mage]

in a una-town universe, i think there must be something pretty wrong with my reads.

why derail a safe mislynch in una to bus prana?

What the actual cuck?
"Safe mislynch"?

I mean.... good catch

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hoopla

You’re....you’re kidding right?


Oh ffs, god dammit.

This is the absolute, dirt worst

[Battle Mage]

I'm a watcher for fuck's sake... So well done for forcing a claim and helping Hoopla and co.

hmmm, my initial gut reaction is i don't buy it. thinking...

why did you wait until post 214 to breadcrumb?

Also that is probably the weakest breadcrumb I've ever seen.

[Battle Mage]

also watcher claim, i think that's a powerful role, is it common for scum to claim high power roles like that?

how about a flash wagon on gyp


VOTE: Gyp


His interactions with the prana claim makes me feel he knows if it is true or not

You've really hedged your bets there, but I like it. On balance, I think Hoopla is town for taking and persisting with the "I want to lynch the claimed PR" approach and Prana...could go either way, but probably right not to lynch there today.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Gypyx

I would want to leave prana till tommorrow and see what he claims his results are.

More flips will leave us better informed of how likely his role is


If he is scum i would rather pick out for today someone who could be his partner

hypothetical situation:

- we don't lynch prana, and mislynch elsewhere
- random townie dies N1 (say me, for example)
- on D2, prana-scum claims he watched some other townie visit me N1
- mislynch townie D2

all of a sudden, you've let scum dodge two mislynches, because the town didn't have the cajones to make a tough choice on D1

~~

the primary utility of an investigation role is that its hidden and can collect results. its been exposed - if it is town, it has little to no value now.

another possibility: what if he's town and scum has a RB and prana claims no results? that would look awfully suspicious on D2 and we end up mislynching then in an ill-fated game of wifom, when we should be dealing with it today.

This is very wrong. He's a claimed investigative in a game which could easily have protective roles, and therefore he might actually survive and provide some info. It could be a fakeclaim, but it isn't true to say he is completely useless if he is town now.

Your final "possibility" which suggests a risk of mislynch tomorrow is somehow worse than a surefire mislynch today is odd. Also giving him ideas of what to claim tomorrow, probably not helpful. Well, my Hoopla town-read evaporated quickly....

[Battle Mage]

Could you say who you saw visiting Flippy Prana?

He said nobody, like 2 posts before this. Please try

how would he have seen someone try to off flippy and flippy be alive lol

Welcome aboard klick

...he didn't? He literally claimed nobody visited Flippy. This is beneath you.

I'm still interested in a Gypyx lynch. Wtf happened yesterday at the end. VOTE: Gypyx

[Battle Mage]

NotScience or Gypyx today, surely.

[Battle Mage]

alright, fucking getting your investigation results in boys. Spill in first post or insta lynch.

do we have other claimed investigatives?

Or are you fishing in like the most shameless blatant manner ever?

[Battle Mage]

Btw guys - I assume Flippy will arrive to the thread while I'm away and guarantee to everyone that I have 0% weapon in me.
Meaning I'm an inno for today

Finnish midsummer (Juhannus ) is a national holiday for mandatory alcohol abuse, so

I will be more or less completely away for friday-saturday-sunday.

I'll be checking the thread once I'm completely certain I'm still alive and not drunk anymore.

Peace and Love - UnaB

So you're confirming Flippy's claim? Excellent

[Battle Mage]

Before anyone goes "What did Prana do?"

I watched Flippy in case his claim was true, and somebody tried to off him, nobody

else

visited him last night.

Because obviously Prana visited him.

[Battle Mage]

Could you say who you saw visiting Flippy Prana?

He said nobody, like 2 posts before this. Please try

how would he have seen someone try to off flippy and flippy be alive lol

Welcome aboard klick

...he didn't? He literally claimed nobody visited Flippy. This is beneath you.

I'm still interested in a Gypyx lynch. Wtf happened yesterday at the end. VOTE: Gypyx

Oh ok, that's such a weird way to formulate things

I'll cut you a deal...if you proxy your vote to me, I pledge I will use it to lynch NotScience.

[Battle Mage]

You aren’t lunching ne today and I’m not letting you near gyp.

Prana or bust we clearly have something out there that inhibited scum and he’s trying to draw them out.

wtf dude, leave the watcher alone. he wasn't fishing, you're just full of it

[Battle Mage]

So flippy does that mean unas clean?

Well he’s unarmed so if he’s scum he’s either a traitor or some other role that can’t make kills that I don’t know about. But for this day phase at least I’d say he’s clear

Pretty sure doctors show up as don't having a gun (at least that's what i've been reading on the wiki)

dude, this is the worst fishing ever.

also it probably is worth saying that the lack of a kill could suggest 1 of the PR claims is legit (if protective role kicked in). On balance, not looking to lynch Prana today, scummy or not. Investigative town PRs are useful.

[Battle Mage]

Before anyone goes "What did Prana do?"

I watched Flippy in case his claim was true, and somebody tried to off him, nobody else visited him last night.

Fuck me.

Nobody... Nobody tried to off him.

I watched him IN CASE somebody tried to kill him.

Nobody showed up to kill him.

Assuming Una is telling the truth, that likely means Flippy checked Una last night, meaning Flippy and Una are either both scum, or are both town.

No, it would confirm Una as town, and suggest Flippy has the ability to give fruit. Not sure why we'd assume that makes him town?

Una being town is v helpful though, in terms of wagon analysis yesterday. Someone go do that.

Before anyone goes "What did Prana do?"

I watched Flippy in case his claim was true, and somebody tried to off him, nobody

else

visited him last night.

Because obviously Prana visited him.

Jesus wept...

Yes people, I visited Flippy last night, and literally nobody else did.

I figured that either myself or Flippy were nice comfortable targets for scum being as we were outed PRs (Assuming Flippy was town, it was worth the risk of him being scum I felt). If I survived, over Flippy, I could at least trade the Watcher role for the scum role, and if I was taken out, well it made no odds anyway.

Obviously, with no kill happening, other shenanigans stopped things happening.

If we assume Flippy is town, and Una is telling the truth, then it wasn't Flippy being hit with a JailKeeper type role, as his role still happened.

I would suggest any roleblocker that succeeded doesn't come right out of the gate and say who they are, as trading the Roleblocker for the scum would be a bad idea.

Ditto if we have a doctor role.

There's no guarantee that they are the only role that could have prevented the kill (though balance assumes they would be... based on mine and Una's last game... I'm trusting fuck all to balance). So outing yourself would be bad, especially as you may accidentally "confirm" a scum via a doctor.

Also...

Idk what proxy vote means man, i assume it's something like saying you'll vote the same guy than said guy does?

And what is your current stance on Prana, does his absence of result make him more or less susp in your opinion?

It's not an "absence" of a result.

Think about it this way:

I announced who I targeted VERY early. I announced nobody targeted Flippy.

If someone HAD targeted him, then I'd be killed rather swiftly because anyone who did visit him would counter my statement. (Or at least use that as a reason to push a case on me later).

As an outed Watcher, every day I survive I can be clear on if anyone visited someone. I may not reveal who, because that feels like a really stupid idea to me as it outs other PRs, but it allows me to know who to potentially trust more than others.

[/quote]

It is true that your watcher claim bears an element of risk if fake. Of course, a scum watcher is presumably possible too? Unlikely perhaps.

[Battle Mage]

Klick is it the right play for possible bps or role blockers to claim here or no

BPs should probably not claim? I personally would basically never claim BP or Commuter if I was one on principle, unless it was necessary. For RBs it would be situational based on if they feel like they caused the no-kill.

Yeah I'm BP, and quite happy to claim!

[Battle Mage]

Idk what proxy vote means man, i assume it's something like saying you'll vote the same guy than said guy does?

And what is your current stance on Prana, does his absence of result make him more or less susp in your opinion?

yeah it means you give me your vote and so I get a double-vote basically. It's a good way to make a friend and ally.

The absence of a result is disappointing, not hugely surprising - probably doesnt change much. The lack of a kill makes him less susp I think. Overall I don't know if I buy it, but I'm willing to give him at least another day, given we still have good numbers. If scum were really stupid enough to try and kill Prana last night, we should probably be looking in the pool of people who also seemed to think he claimed they tried to Flippynips. I think we're looking at a really poor quality scumteam here.

[Battle Mage]

Ive seen several scum watchers before.

For scum to have a watcher it would mean we have full roster of visiting roles. and we have 2 confirmed

flipys role. And a role that blocks a kill.

My gut says its a roleblocker as if we had a doc/rolestopper this game it would prob of been on flippy

Prana's role is more powerful than Flippy's. If they're both town, I guess maybe scum gambled? A doctor is WAY more likely than a roleblocker, given the roleblocker would have a slimmer chance of success, Doc would be 50-50 at worst given lack of big brains on red team.

[Battle Mage]

Ive seen several scum watchers before.

For scum to have a watcher it would mean we have full roster of visiting roles. and we have 2 confirmed

flipys role. And a role that blocks a kill.

My gut says its a roleblocker as if we had a doc/rolestopper this game it would prob of been on flippy

Prana's role is more powerful than Flippy's. If they're both town, I guess maybe scum gambled? A doctor is WAY more likely than a roleblocker, given the roleblocker would have a slimmer chance of success, Doc would be 50-50 at worst given lack of big brains on red team.

This is teh thing the odds of a doc/rolestopper protecting prana is very low.

Prana was heavily scum read and only saved by his claim.

zippy is one shot cop with good odds of making a clear. A player who after his role claim was widely town read.


While prana still was.

If I was a doc, I was protecting Prana last night. If Prana was town, she could obviously watch Nips, and so scum couldnt kill him anyway. Therefore scum would have to target Prana. Additionally, if Prana was scum, she couldnt kill Nips anyway because she would be lynched today unless she faked a guilty.

[Battle Mage]

9/10 the doc always protects zippy.

And as klict said. scum would need something to balance. And most options end with a town watcher being killed. As the most likely one is strongman

Please see my previous post which explains why you are wrong here. Unless 9/10 docs are incompetent.

[Battle Mage]

If I was a doc, I was protecting Prana last night. If Prana was town, she could obviously watch Nips, and so scum couldnt kill him anyway. Therefore scum would have to target Prana. Additionally, if Prana was scum, she couldnt kill Nips anyway because she would be lynched today unless she faked a guilty.

This is correct.

love you man, and yes I'm sure any PRs can crumb with sufficient discretion to avoid needing to out themselves. Apart from me of course.

[Battle Mage]

But now - to every-fking-one of you here.
I'm off to start preparing for my "getting blasted" extravaganza.
I'm normally a social butterfly, and all this social distancing has been a pain in the ass, so meeting my closest friends (responsible setup, trust me )for the first time in a long time makes me giddy already.

See you later!

you're getting ready to meet up with friends....at 11pm? it's lucky you're conftown here.

[Battle Mage]

Town
Hoops
Agar
Cooldog
Gyp
Nippyflips
Klick
Bob

I don’t wanna Lynch any of these people

Post after added una and gobbles

What do you think klick

that is not pro-town. Also I've just realised today Klick is scum, so appealing to him/her isn't your greatest hit.

[Battle Mage]

9/10 the doc always protects zippy.

And as klict said. scum would need something to balance. And most options end with a town watcher being killed. As the most likely one is strongman

Nobody targeted Flippy. So there was no doctor going in that direction at all.

But I think we're in agreement that the doctor wouldn't have gone for Nipples anyway

[Battle Mage]

How the fuck is going over my reads with another player not protown

VOTE: battle mage

LOL, oversensitive much?

A huge list of players you think are town, some of whom are probably not, is completely useless and just distracts from us trying to actually lynch scum today.

Are you going to stop this posturing and vote Gypyx with me or what?

[Battle Mage]

So battle are you saying that your claiming doc?

erm.......No. I already accidentally claimed bulletproof I think, a Bulletproof doc seems slightly too powerful.

[Battle Mage]

Maybe I'm a bulletproof 2-shot vigilante

[Battle Mage]

I’m not posturing and gyp is a shit vote.

Don’t worry about how my reads manifest themselves.

I will always worry about how scum play. It's my job. Gyp is a solid vote as Gyp is scum. You are scum for defending them.

[Battle Mage]

I'll probably vig you tonight anyway

[Battle Mage]

if you flip town, ill be sure to look at your townlist tomorrow

[Battle Mage]

So your stance is that I, scum, am appealing to change the read of my partner, klick, who is also scum

Okay

i didnt say you were appealing to change their read, and neither did you

[Battle Mage]

I’m not the one voting town /shrug

shrug all you want, unless you got some good fucking evidence of that, i dont buy it.

[Battle Mage]

Bob, I've explained logically why you're wrong. I'm not claiming doc, and I don't care to speculate about a potential roleblocker. dont know what your game is here.

[Battle Mage]

Let’s stop stressing the prs atm and start lynching scummage

maybe you can decide the lynch today as you're dead tonight

[Battle Mage]

dude, ive explained this already. if there's a doc, they would have protected prana. that is obvious. doc has higher odds of stopping an NK than rb when the target is highly predictable.

I don't know how you've managed to get this so wrong.

[Battle Mage]

If a game had watcher and doc. Prana woudl still of died as to balance scum would need a strongman

i think scum are much more in need of a smartman

[Battle Mage]

I don’t think we can know who hypothetical prs targeted unless they claim.

we can make pretty logical deductions. Why are you fishing for more claims here??

[Battle Mage]

I’m not fishing for claims I’m saying your definitives aren’t as definitive as you are saying they are

what do you think of the people who are fishing for claims, even quite openly?

[Battle Mage]

dude, ive explained this already. if there's a doc, they would have protected prana. that is obvious. doc has higher odds of stopping an NK than rb when the target is highly predictable.

I don't know how you've managed to get this so wrong.

Explain who trys to protect prana. When most think he is scum and thus wouldnt protect him.


A doc does not keep someone who they think is scum alive.

12 players alive and one is prana

11 players

3-4 called for his lynch regardless of his claim.
3-4 only didnt vote because of his claim.

Dude, I've given you an example - me. I was the first person to call Prana-scum yesterday, but when he claims a PR and we let him have the first night to try and get a result, I'm obviously going to protect him if I'm a doc.

From your numbers above, you have 3-5 players who did not think he was scum, and if doctor, would have protected him.
Of those who didn't vote because of his claim, which presumably includes me, they would have protected him.
And even of those who called for his lynch regardless of the claim, if they have any sense, they would protect the person who, if town, would be an obvious target for scum to kill.

I'm not saying there is or isn't a doc, or confirming whether I am one. I'm saying IF there was a doctor, they SHOULD HAVE been protecting Prana last night. That is a fact.

I don't even really know why you care so much about this, but hopefully you're taking on board what i'm telling you.

[Battle Mage]

the post by Hoopla appears to be excellent, encourage all to read carefully, as I shall

[Battle Mage]

i think if scum deliberately no-killed last night to pursue a mislynch on Prana today, they are even less intelligent than I thought.

It's a good analysis to be sure - makes me think Hoopla may be town, as lots of effort. But, not enough there to make me want to lynch Prana today. Mini normal games are a lot more wacky nowadays, and crazy shit like Nips claimed is standard fayre. A claimed investigative is a claimed investigative, I'd rather play the WIFOM game for one more night, and look more widely than this (which will be necessary regardless).

[Battle Mage]

I’d follow hoops to the end of the earth

why don't you?

[Battle Mage]

an aside: if prana is scum, he's almost certainly a watcher or a JOAT with a watch ability, as he claimed nobody targeted flippy on N1. a doctor, or any random PR could instantly disprove that claim. so, prana isn't a vanilla goon if scum.

I already hypothesised this earlier. Although to be clear, it's probably, not definitely the case. Prana-scum might not be so cerebral as to have thought ahead when he claimed about the risk (and if Prana is scum, outting another PR wouldn't be the worst thing in the world).

[Battle Mage]

I would suggest any roleblocker that succeeded doesn't come right out of the gate and say who they are, as trading the Roleblocker for the scum would be a bad idea.

i also disagree with this. a town roleblocker should claim now, as its highly likely they're responsible for the no-kill, and i believe we can probably break the game wide open from PoE if we have a prob-guilty (and prob-inno) to work with today.

scum won't kill with the same team member twice, so it's not likely a town RB will succeed again. that info is more useful in the game now.

I'm not sure either way on the idea of RB claiming - there's probably some merit in it.

I am however, confident that an RB claim will not "break the game wide open from PoE".

[Battle Mage]

Hi. Just got here.

We should lynch Klick.

I blocked him last night.

VOTE: Klick

VOTE: Klick

I fucking called it!

[Battle Mage]

A detailed analysis and readslist...predicated on Prana being scum, and proposing I'm scum on that basis? And ignoring the claims?

I can see why that would be unhelpful.

redacted

[Battle Mage]

klick/prana/battle mage

could the game really be this easy?

did i make this list because I'm NK proof and so you need to push to lynch me now?

[Battle Mage]

AGar - if Klick flips scum, I'm Vigging Not-Science tonight, don't roleblock me! If Klick flips town, I'm all over vigging you.

[Battle Mage]

weak argument, as it presumes I'm scum at the outset, and tries to create a narrative to fit with that. You could do that for any player if you tried. Meaningless.

From a wider mafia gameplay perspective (I teach this to newbies in the newbie games), it's good practice to start with an assumption of scum being ON the mislynch wagons, not off them. The fact so many people on this site stray from this, is precisely why scum win so many games just by shamelessly pushing and lynching townies with no reprisal.

You've done a good job of making it sound scientific and clever, but the substance is actually misguided and lazy.

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: battle mage

actually, might be better to lynch the buddy first, on the small, small chance prana is town

seriously dude, wtf? I'm conf-town (and well fed - thanks Nips!).

VOTE: Hoopla

This has to be scum.

[Battle Mage]

Hi I’m here. I got some errands to run before I really start going, but I do want to say this. I fibbed about my role. I really had two shots, I sent a fruit to BM and he’s unarmed

thanks, it was delicious! Now, join me in lynching Hoopla-scum!

[Battle Mage]

Hey BM, didn't you claim you were shooting Notscience?

Hey Gypyx, didn't you admit you were scum though? Blatant rolefishing here...

[Battle Mage]

Gut instinct is that flippy is town.

klick comments towards flippy dont read as s/s

if flippy is town then its likely una and bm are town.

As scum would need a doc to get any false clears. And that usual happens in games town has a vig

I wish you would stop this setup speculation stuff. Yesterday you were mostly just wrong, today I can't even work out what you're trying to say!

Scum would need a doc to get any false clears???

[Battle Mage]

Why not target prana who’s been the subject of towns focus lol

That’s fair. I wanted to send my fruits to people I town read to see how good I am at town reading people I guess



Pedit: I really didn’t pay attention d2. I pooped in commented on what I saw and then dripped. I don’t even know how klick got caught

To be honest, you've just made me immortal because I'm NK-proof and now basically unlynchable until endgame. I FEEL SO MUCH POWER

And yes, ignore those people complaining - they are just angry that they cant get a mislynch on me now. Your townread was good! Hoopla's reads...eh, not so much.

[Battle Mage]

Seriously though, what the fuck is this? The only person voting me, and pretending like it's a sure thing I'd be lynched but also "don't rush!". Scummy as all hell.

Honestly, Hoopla's case on me yesterday was pretty woeful and rather than re-evaluate like somebody town would, she has just doubled-down and hoped to bombard me into submission.

However Hoopla did get one thing right - lynching the claimed Watcher today is fking dumb, because it will sort itself out tonight. So let's lynch Hoopla instead. Or as an alternative suggestion, we can let the conf-towns decide the play between them. Emp can get involved too, since his play was good and I'm willing to call him basically conf-town at this point.

I also think we should seriously consider a mass-claim, given the amount of town PRs already outted. Hoopla slipped there is only 1 scum left, but that could be a ruse.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: battle mage

actually, might be better to lynch the buddy first, on the small, small chance prana is town

it's more insurance on the off-chance prana is town. if we lynch his buddy today, scum is pretty much forced to kill town-prana, as one scum alive means a correct watch loses the game outright.

but you're probably right. trying to eke out a slither more EV from a day where we have obv-scum on the ropes is just petty squibbling.

i'd rather everyone checked in and had a chat before we lynch though - especially given yesterday was a short phase.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: prana devil

Why choose to watch the one play sure to get nightkilled

Bob, now I'm confirmed town, PLEASE LISTEN TO ME. STOP THIS STUFF. If Prana is still alive tomorrow, or if it doesn't stack up after a massclaim, I'll consider joining you on that lynch. Today we should lynch Hoopla, the town-leader elect who insists on lynching town at every opportunity.

[Battle Mage]

However Hoopla did get one thing right - lynching the claimed Watcher today is fking dumb, because it will sort itself out tonight. So let's lynch Hoopla instead. Or as an alternative suggestion, we can let the conf-towns decide the play between them. Emp can get involved too, since his play was good and I'm willing to call him basically conf-town at this point.

They’ve had multiple chances to take him out.

Not even going to dignify this with a response - just bus your buddy Hoopla already.

[Battle Mage]

No, we’re lynching prana like we should have done two days ago.

scum don't get to choose the lynch though. You had the chance to NK him last night, not my problem!

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Hoopla

I'm ready to end the day.

[Battle Mage]

I’ll take that as “you’re right and I know it but I’ve dug my feet in”

It’s okay BM, we’ve all been there. Feel free to join the wagon whenever you’re ready.

I'm 100% sure I'm not lynching our Watcher today. Are you playing the "too scummy to be scum" card here?

I prefer to lynch Hoopla, but I'll settle for lynching you if it's the only way we can move forward.

[Battle Mage]

Hi I’m here. I got some errands to run before I really start going, but I do want to say this. I fibbed about my role. I really had two shots, I sent a fruit to BM and he’s unarmed

hmmm, so this means outside of traitor screwiness, bm can only be scum with flippy. i'm not sure if these two have the cajones to pull off a team gambit like that, but we should be able to solve the setup via massclaim (which should happen tomorrow imo).

strange. i was so confident in a bm/prana scumteam. looks like i have to do slightly more thinking.

anyway

UNVOTE:
VOTE: prana

"looks like i have to do slightly more thinking....ah fuck that, let's just jump on the biggest wagon, despite my logic falling apart again!"

Oh how I laughed!

And you're still trying to push me as scum, even now? Desperate, not coming from genuine inquisitive, responsive town here.

[Battle Mage]

Flippy is a fruit vendor regardless bc una conformed it

I've also confirmed it - you might have missed it...

[Battle Mage]

Well that's the day pretty much over. I'll simply say, if Prana flips scum it's a stroke of luck, and if Prana flips town, y'all are idiots, and I should get to decide tomorrow's lynch. Regardless, a terrible play, and a waste of a day, achieving nothing we couldn't have done later.

Also I'll formally claim:

Bulletproof Townie

No Vig powers unfortunately, but I'm resistant to bullets.

[Battle Mage]

And you're still trying to push me as scum, even now? Desperate, not coming from genuine inquisitive, responsive town here.

i'm currently reevaluating.

keep your pants on.

you can't just change your mind in light of new evidence? with me, it's a pretty quick process - I don't feel the need to progress gradually to avoid making any wrong moves, if you catch my drift.

[Battle Mage]

if flippy is town then its likely una and bm are town.

No, IF flippy is town, we are all town. (barring scum!Doc but that is pointless to talk today)

AND IF FLIPPY IS SCUM, EVEN THEN ONE OF ME/BM IS TOWN, so that discussion is also pointless today.

We lynch Prana to push the PoE forward, and you can all ISO me if they flip scum.
So far it seems at least some of my earlier reads were correct.

I fail to see how lynching Prana progresses any PoE - it's about the least informative lynch we could muster. Just a hope and prayer it flips red.

[Battle Mage]

Hi. Just got here.

We should lynch Klick.

I blocked him last night.

VOTE: Klick

VOTE: Klick

I fucking called it!

@battle mage.

why did you blindly believe agar's roleblocker claim, when from your perspective the no-kill could have been explained from scum targeting you?

Are you seriously still trying to shade me? I'm confirmed-town remember, try doing some actual scumhunting.

[Battle Mage]

Flippy is a fruit vendor regardless bc una conformed it

I've also confirmed it - you might have missed it...

My point was in reference e of a scum team with you and flippy.

you what!?

Jesus, this game is hard work. Let's lynch our strongest claimed town PR rather than doing any new scumhunting, with all our conf-town players still alive, and then tomorrow we can go for either the cop or the bulletproof confirmed townie.

I'm glad we're going back to night phase, because

[Battle Mage]

Are you seriously still trying to shade me? I'm confirmed-town remember, try doing some actual scumhunting.

you're actually not, so perhaps tone the screeching down a little.

Screeching? A bit rich from the self-declared town leader who wants to push diabolical cases on the worst possible candidates, in the face of all reason and logic.
I'm the closest thing we've got to a conftown, but don't let that slow you down, please continue 'open-wolfing'.

[Battle Mage]

Please, notscience, do try and justify your scumhunting strategy, and tell me why somebody like Hiraki shouldn't even get a mention from ya?

[Battle Mage]

I’d listen to una before you easily

some people can't see the wood for the trees

[Battle Mage]

Some very useful posts by Bob there.

[Battle Mage]

Some very useful posts by Bob there.

His choice in night actions

[Battle Mage]

I’m editing my post where my autocorrect fucked it

you're not allowed to edit your posts dude...

Mod Note, no rule was broken as the text of no post was edited in a way that breaks the rule. To my knowledge no player is able to do that in this game, anyway. If you can, reminder not to. -b

[Battle Mage]

ah, well what's the point waiting around.

VOTE: PranaDevil

If this flips town, we are lynching on this wagon tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

It’s why I made a second post to make my post make sense.

Are you dome?

Motherfucker.

Done, not dome

I'm crying with laughter right now. The Mod said "keep it civil" and in your 2 subsequent posts, you called me a "dome" and then took it up a notch with "motherfucker"?

[Battle Mage]

I’m cursing at my autocorrect not you. Why are you being so obtuse?

I don't think domes are obtuse - wanna re-think your angle here?

Though jokes aside, I don't buy at all the 'claim' that you're corresponding with your auto-correct in this thread.

[Battle Mage]

When I flip green. Hoopla, then notscience please.

Or the other way around.

Don't care, both are obv-scum at this stage.

i think that's where we're going regardless of your flip. If you're scum, I could definitely see them thinking a big bus on you today might be a good play for them (it wouldn't, but that doesn't matter ). Definitely get the vibe from Hoopla that she is on the ropes here.

[Battle Mage]

Hiraki, is there anything game-related in your post 1600? assuming it's just fluff I can ignore?

[Battle Mage]

Once Prana flips red, the last scum is in notscience / CoolDoG / Battle Mage / Hoopla.

I'm cop-confirmed town dude. How you've managed to get down to a lynch pool of 4 which includes me, is baffling. As I recall, nobody has given a single reason to suggest I'm scum, and I've been cleared by the cop.

Wake me up when it's morning...

UNVOTE:

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Hoopla

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Hoopla

This is good posting.

I'm trying dude, but I think it's probably a lost cause, everyone is pocketted for some reason.

[Battle Mage]

So best I can tell we're wagoning a claimed Watcher. If the players on that wagon could give or quote a previous case for why that's a good idea, that's a good place to start.

ill start reading up in the meantime

tldr: it's a shit idea. And that's coming from me as the first person to call the slot out as scummy, but I'm sick of towns with limited firepower making premature hero-plays. It's not as if we couldn't lynch that slot later if needed, no justification for taking a punt now.

Welcome to the game - it's a bit of a slog with a bunch of players dominating the discussion but not really basing their approach on any reasonable arguments. I'm cop confirmed town, but I'm currently some people's choice for lynch tomorrow (after we lynch the Watcher...) as I might be investigation-proof scum (which of course is possible, but pretty low likelihood compared to, like, anybody else just being scum). We desperately need to lynch Hoopla/notscience to give town a fighting chance.

[Battle Mage]

I don't even care, just look at the state of that Prana wagon. Like 25% of game is basically conftown, and none of them are on it, which speaks volumes.

[Battle Mage]

me and unabombah are the inno-investigations of EmpFlippynips

[Battle Mage]

Prana - can you at least acknowledge now that I'm the best player?

[Battle Mage]

He wasn’t even at l-1 its a panic claim and such a weird role to make up

couldn't have been too much of a panic. he thought about it enough to lie about a number of shots.

this is actually a good point.

you two are seriously suggesting Emperorflippynips is making up the fruit stuff? he's been confirmed by 2 people who have received fruit. You can say he's scum, but he clearly didn't make up everything. and how could lying about number of shots be scum indicative? On balance of probability, it's consistent with town.

We should almost certainly have massclaimed by now, if Prana is actually a serious option to lynch...

That said I've basically given up hope for this game until the cartel of chaos can be broken, and so anything more than pointing out some of the obvious logical failings is beyond me.

[Battle Mage]

Once Prana flips red, the last scum is in notscience / CoolDoG / Battle Mage / Hoopla.
Roughly in that order - Battle Mage potentially being a scum!Doc has been in my mind ever since Flippy claimed. (but like said, not a discussion for today)
That's still a pool of four, so I need to do better, but there's still the off-chance that Prana flips green, so I'm holding my breath until I see the results.

UnaB, Hiraki, Flippy, bob are my lock-towns.
Kudos to any and all of them for their performance if they end up being scum!

Gypyx is the remaining slot, and I do not like the fact that they went from looking like scum, to looking like a VI, to being non-existent in this game.
They are the flippy-flop that scum want in LyLo if they ever get there - it's been written on the wall ever since D1.

Really? i think everyone in that list of 4 is town.

I do love that Una described himself as locktown, and then gave himself kudos if he turned out to be scum and pulled the wool over his own eyes.

I guess you're going Bob or Hiraki then? surely notscience is just more likely right?

[Battle Mage]

But looking at the setup alone: I'd sooner say that Watcher + Roleblocker was real

You know other than the flipped one flippys the only confirmed role right

I think Prana is sure to be a power role. Otherwise, Prana would be the one carrying out the scum kill, instead of Klick, since there's always an inherent risk with carrying out the kill, and watcher claims aren't likely to be messed with by town on night 1

VOTE: PranaDevil

There's too much evidence against your claim being fake to not lynch here

What the fuck is this progression? Was the vote a mistake, or has all your posting to date been complete BS?

[Battle Mage]

whatever, nobody else is being lynched today so let's get the game moving.

VOTE: prana

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see ya tomorrow suckas

[Battle Mage]

haha looks like scum didn't believe my bulletproof claim then!

VOTE: Dunnstral

Not a good entrance at the end of yesterday - a bit of obligatory analysis and then a panic bus?

[Battle Mage]

Micc you go first then

agree, I like Micc and Dunnstral up first.

[Battle Mage]

i received a delicious mango last night, so i assume flippy lied about his role yet again?

really? all i got was a scabby looking pear...

[Battle Mage]

I’m fine with massclaim and think scum would never target a claimed bp, prob have a protective hidden.

I think unas town for their interactions with prana yesterday

Me
Una
Hoops
Cooldog slot
Flippynips
Bpmage
Hiraki

That just leaves Micc right?

would Dunnstral/Micc have clocked the fact I claimed though? Genuine question

[Battle Mage]

no kill overnight is strange. i doubt mafia attempt to kill battle mage if he's town.

a non-killing traitor is a real possibility

. if no-kills keep occurring, we ought to treat this as the case.

....I've already had enough of today.

I figured after yesterday's flip you had to be town, because it would be a complete dick-move to bus your scumbuddy on the one part of their claim that was legitimate and provable (you didn't believe there could be a watcher in this game).

[Battle Mage]

Bm I still don’t think there’s anyone in this player list who kills you

I’m also changing my mind about flippy because why is he still fruiting people

you thought the cop would stop targetting people?

[Battle Mage]

You mean after you spent days telling us we were wrong and bad?

Lol...

Pedit

So we’re doing this then huh?

He claimed 1 shot then 2 shot and now more shots bm

Standby Micc I’m making sure rest of town is up for massclaim but I have reasons if you don’t like them Lynch me

He didn't want to killed obviously. Could he still be scum? Yes of course. But the fact he claimed 1-shot, 2-shot and then more shots is likely NAI, you could argue town indicative at a pinch.

NotScience, I'm not aiming to lynch you today, don't worry. Although why do you care if everyone else is up for a massclaim? People will literally either do it, or they won't.

[Battle Mage]

Bm why do I keep having to explain why trickle truths are scummy and why we shouldn’t believe all claims

your assertion here is logically flawed, and I've already explained why.

[Battle Mage]

massclaim does sound appealing.

thing is, there's two reasons a no-kill happened last night

1) there is a traitor in the game who can't kill. the game is now essentially nightless and we have 6 chances to lynch the last scum.
2) battle mage is BP and scum foolishly tried to kill him
3) there is actually a town doc who made a good save

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how exactly is massclaiming helping us though? if we're in situation 3, we prevent any future saves at night due to outing the doc.

i'm still thinking if it's worth it to wait another day.

we could split the difference and just have Dunnstral and Notscience claim? The former as today's lynch, and NotScience because he is clearly gagging to claim.

[Battle Mage]

Thats fair.

I want to Lynch flippy hoops.

Pedit

Like the watcher right.

flippy hoops? But of course, I'm not remotely surprised you want to lynch another claimed power role or a conftown.

[Battle Mage]

Cooldog slot was the one with me trying to actively Lynch prana at first I really doubt he’s scum

this is enough to convince me he is definitely scum.

[Battle Mage]

Cooldog slot was the one with me trying to actively Lynch prana at first I really doubt he’s scum

this is enough to convince me he is definitely scum.

[Battle Mage]

....I've already had enough of today.

I figured after yesterday's flip you had to be town, because it would be a complete dick-move to bus your scumbuddy on the one part of their claim that was legitimate and provable (you didn't believe there could be a watcher in this game).

if there's a traitor who can't kill as scum's third member - i'm picking it's you. a bullet proof claim is exactly the right fakeclaim for your situation.

for the record i believed that a watcher could exist in the game, just that it'd likely be a scum watcher if there was one. i was correct.

The second part of your post is wrong. The first part of your post is ridiculous.

I have no idea when it became "good play" for town's to just blindly lynch all claimed PRs and hope they hit scum, without any attempt to scrutinise outside of that pool. I'm baffled. Have y'all really never seen a claimed vanilla flip scum?

I'm spent already, let's lynch someone and move on.

[Battle Mage]

Bm if I hadn’t been shoving prana since d1 we wouldn’t be in the position we are so stow it

with respect, you rode my coattails on the Prana wagon initially, and ultimately got lucky that it flipped scum.

[Battle Mage]

But of course, I'm not remotely surprised you want to lynch another claimed power role

we wasted three days putting off lynching a claimed PR that we should have gone through with on day 1.

and did we lose anything by doing that? doesn't matter what order we lynch scum in

[Battle Mage]

Hoops do you think pranas hammer was the only scum vote on the turkey Lynch

unsure.

i'm overdue to give this game a reread filtered through the lens of our updated alignment-flips. expect a more focused approach from me some time soon.

I look forward to reading another madcap theory where the solve is that I was scum all along.

[Battle Mage]

i was before agar died a backup town roleblocker

Targeted micc last night

Are we saying my solve when I first joined the game of Gypyx-Prana scum was right?

I've turned a corner - I'm an invincible scum-hunting genius!

VOTE: Micc

This is more than worth a punt.

[Battle Mage]

if this is it, this feels like it was a town-heavy setup.

[Battle Mage]

no rush guys, we've got 13 days to play with

[Battle Mage]

has dunnstral swooped in to claim the easiest town win ever?