In post 2224, Bingle wrote:If Porkens survives the day, Porkens should not claim who he is roleblocking and I should claim whether my role functioned before he claims whether he targeted me. Even still, this isn't foolproof because I have a yellow card today and thus will be roleblocked anyway if we lynch another yellow card holder.
No. vanilla-izer just removes the role, it does nothing to alignment.In post 2219, Battle Mage wrote:would your role turn somebody scum into town?
What possible motivation do I have to lie?In post 2225, farside22 wrote:In post 2224, Bingle wrote:If Porkens survives the day, Porkens should not claim who he is roleblocking and I should claim whether my role functioned before he claims whether he targeted me. Even still, this isn't foolproof because I have a yellow card today and thus will be roleblocked anyway if we lynch another yellow card holder.
I just find it odd you say you didn't see he targeted you and that is twice now.
[why'd your role change?]In post 2226, Bingle wrote:No. vanilla-izer just removes the role, it does nothing to alignment.In post 2219, Battle Mage wrote:would your role turn somebody scum into town?
So for example a Mafia Roleblocker would become a mafia goon, where I as a self voyeur will simply become a VT.
[BM, what was your original role?]In post 2170, Titus wrote:I'd go with TSE and BM fakeclaiming at this point. They've done even less than I have and I am obligated to be mysterious. TSE and BM have largely coasted despite TSE's claim being largely unverifiable and his play being 100% pro mafia.In post 2159, Looker wrote:Is it safe to say that two members corroborating a fakeclaim could be aliens at this point?
[I feel that HB likely thought starbuck was a 3rd party bomber. But i don't think that's why mafia isn't killing.]In post 2179, Bingle wrote:That doesn't explain why scum hasn't killed you, but there's also an explanation for that that I've been tinfoiling over.In post 2169, Titus wrote:The most logical reason is that scum are afraid to kill because they don't know who I will target.
HB's claim that SB was a 3rd party bomber as group scum actually makes more sense if she legitimately thought SB was a 3rd party bomber. Mafia might be holstering to prevent bomber from winning from no where.
[Yeah that makes very little sense to me but also, i couldn't have anticipated that hellbook's was guessing SB was a 3p bomber either. Weird shit happens and it's possible Titus is scum i suppose.]In post 2184, Bingle wrote:Titus is a better player than that. Fakeclaiming a partner's role just gives you more chances to be caught.In post 2167, Morning Tweet wrote:[hey maybe shes not even a loverizer and it's a partner, who even knows anymore. im kinda wanting to go with it because even if Titus is town we'll be okay i think]
[Lol yeah that portion was weird where some players were ignoring TSE's clear and going after you]In post 2191, Battle Mage wrote:I don't think there's a question of pocketing if he's scum - my focus has been, quite naturally, on the players 'open-wolfing'. I don't think I've been particularly pro-TSE, and I don't think anything he has done has particularly influenced me. So probably the best way to describe it would be - if TSE is scum, I could be scum or town (although Starbuck is also confirming me now I think?), and if TSE is town, I'm town.In post 2187, Bingle wrote:They dropped it after I corroborated that we should never lynch you before TSE and showed no interest in lynching TSE, iirc.In post 2182, Battle Mage wrote:why they've now given up on it?
I agree with you that TSE sheeping his clear and spending all of his time fighting people going after said clear makes sense as town TSE, though. The question was whether you were connected, and the answer is definitely yes: either TSE is pocketing you or you're the same alignment.
Your recollection is different from mine - I definitely recall Titus trying to lynch TSE when she couldn't get anywhere with me. Or maybe it was Farside. Has been hard to tell difference at times this game.
Regarding your corroboration - given you are touting Titus as a top player, do you think somebody of her experience and quality should need to be reminded that lynching a cop-inno before the cop is a bad play? Especially when she is then criticising TSE later for playing pro-mafia. It's not to knock Titus, but I wonder a little if you are being flattering here, and trying to curry flavour?
[this game is really annoying. I should have a simplified version somewhere..]In post 2195, Battle Mage wrote:MorningTweet, have you done a simplified version anywhere? or can you summarise what is going on in simple terms I can understand?
In post 2199, Bingle wrote:I don't think I've touted Titus as a top player in this game, and in fact we frequently clash on what is 'right' as town although I do have a pretty high opinion of her results.
I've said she's not dumb enough to claim a scumbuddy's role, but that's not high praise. I also have been pretty upfront with the fact that I think she misplayed her role. I just don't think the way she misplayed her role is scum indicative, because she did it in a way that ended up getting a theoretical scum her no additional benefit. Her and farside tunneling you was also baffling, but I don't really think going after a lynch that will never happen is more likely to come from scum than town who has a dangerous tunnel. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she is scum. But I don't see it, and I know that there are people who aren't her who ARE scum.
The same thing applies to farside. Farside could be scum, I guess. But if farside is scum, she still has partners that we have narrowed down to a small pool.
[!!!!]In post 2203, Starbuck wrote:And there's room on the Bingle wagon, y'all. I've got the hot tub going and mimosas at the ready.
[Looker has said almost nothing and claims VT-- how's your read on him so sure already?]
It didn't. I'm still a motion detector. I'm not sure why I typed voyeur except that it's a similarish role.In post 2229, Morning Tweet wrote:[why'd your role change?]
[:(]In post 2238, Chateau Lobby wrote:I hate to ask another question thats probably been answered but how do we know that scum only has 1 NK?
I'd posted in the private PT two hours before this post. I don't know if Titus is a roleblocker, but there being a roleblock mechanic makes more sense than someone being afraid of a loverizer. Especially when it's been concluded that the loverize takes effect the next day. That's two sentences and two misreps from you.In post 2163, Porkens wrote:Spoiler:
Why don’t you say anything in our lover chat? And why do you think Titus is a roleblocker?
He claimed Orange Townie, which is basically vanilla. It's not the sort of claim which would save him or achieve much, so don't think it's a Looker-fakeclaim. Also if scum have access to the list of all roles in the game, I think they'd come up with a better fakeclaim than that. I also looked at the page it was on, and it was full of some fairly interesting roles which I could imagine being picked. In other words, I completely buy that that page could have been picked, and that role would have been ultimately given, because the Mod is meanIn post 2232, Morning Tweet wrote:In post 2199, Bingle wrote:I don't think I've touted Titus as a top player in this game, and in fact we frequently clash on what is 'right' as town although I do have a pretty high opinion of her results.
I've said she's not dumb enough to claim a scumbuddy's role, but that's not high praise. I also have been pretty upfront with the fact that I think she misplayed her role. I just don't think the way she misplayed her role is scum indicative, because she did it in a way that ended up getting a theoretical scum her no additional benefit. Her and farside tunneling you was also baffling, but I don't really think going after a lynch that will never happen is more likely to come from scum than town who has a dangerous tunnel. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she is scum. But I don't see it, and I know that there are people who aren't her who ARE scum.
The same thing applies to farside. Farside could be scum, I guess. But if farside is scum, she still has partners that we have narrowed down to a small pool.[!!!!]In post 2203, Starbuck wrote:And there's room on the Bingle wagon, y'all. I've got the hot tub going and mimosas at the ready.
[I think Bingle has been nothing but fair really. But he could be scum, he's in the lynchpool for sure.][Looker has said almost nothing and claims VT-- how's your read on him so sure already?]
[I want Looker or Manatee but I'll finish off Titus if i absolutely have to]
VOTE: Manatee
. It feels consistent with what we've seen of the setup so far. Plus I just feel he has been playing to his town meta here, and I'm pretty familiar with his style (although as you know, take all reads from me with a pinch of salt). 
So now that you can be clear about some of your crumbs and claims, you may want to lay some out clearly.In post 2185, Battle Mage wrote:Sorry but pushing me as scum because I haven't posted
+1 about the recently finished game.In post 2189, farside22 wrote:Still don't have a high opinion of him. Just finished a game with him where he never explained his scum reads and just trolled alot. I would think he would say more when trying to reach out to him but he was non-responsive.
So Meh. He at least followed me onto scum unlike some people who think that was a bad idea.
I think you already know this is bad, but I know you have personal stuff going on, too. So take the time, feel better, and come back. Hopefully, with a better vote, please.
No, it's definitely not a recruitment style mechanic. I can't just recruit folks over to the Town. It just takes away whatever powers someone had.In post 2219, Battle Mage wrote:would your role turn somebody scum into town?In post 2201, Starbuck wrote:No confirmation if it works, unfortunately.In post 2193, farside22 wrote:Starbuck: Do me a favor and target Titus tonight (do you get a conformation if it works?)
I know this is at Porkens, but I'd appreciate some contribution from you.In post 2237, Chateau Lobby wrote:@porkens
Am I allowed to care about this game or does that make me scum again?
As someone who is also a replacement, don't use that excuse with me.In post 2241, Looker wrote:Starbuck's saying my Activity Report is "abysmal", but she's overlooking some things:
I'm a replacement.
I don't spam-post ANYWHERE on mafiascum
She didn't say that there was something I missed that she'd like me to address.
Right now I'm just flabbergasted that people are just trusting the words of the dead scum and other theories that say scum has 1 NK.In post 2246, Starbuck wrote:I know this is at Porkens, but I'd appreciate some contribution from you.In post 2237, Chateau Lobby wrote:@porkens
Am I allowed to care about this game or does that make me scum again?
Your positioning on the HB wagon is what flags me. Manatee's hammer could very well be a scum move too.In post 2248, Porkens wrote:Explain your vca