Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[Bingle]

@Bingle: AP suspects you're intentionally distracting him with you new avatar. He says he keeps staring at .. @$% [connection terminated]

I lost a bet.

[Bingle]

What do you mean I can't just shift the blame if I'm wrong to Mena? Boo.

I think most of us are in agreement that S_S is 1 of the 2 lynches right? Or do people have another combo to talk about that doesn't include S_S?

A50 wants me lynched.

[Almost50]

I see what you're saying, Maria, and I am down. Maybe.. just maybe we end the game today and don't need to me to go H2H with Bingle tomorrow.

[Bingle]

Yeah, see, here's the thing. If we lynch SS today and me tomorrow then A50 scum wins. I don't trust that that doesn't happen if we lynch SS today, because PP will always suspect me and tomorrow we'll need 100% voter agreement to lynch scum.

[Menalque]

What do you mean I can't just shift the blame if I'm wrong to Mena? Boo.

I think most of us are in agreement that S_S is 1 of the 2 lynches right? Or do people have another combo to talk about that doesn't include S_S?

I’m thinking the answer may be bingle -> A50 but unsure

[Menalque]

If bingle flips town his argument for SS!town is definitely good faith and not a pocket

Which means if you’re super confident in PP!town that you just lynch A50 there and it’s probably winning

[Menalque]

I’m not sure bingle would be denying how much sense it makes for him to use the ninja and let skitter kill if he were town, plus he seems super, super invested in not being the lynch today and I think if he had the conviction of what he’s saying he should be doing what A50 is doing and saying “lynch me today so long as you lynch A50 tomorrow!”

Like I think the JK claim would be super obvious to scum!bingle so idk why he’s making out that he’d have to be this amazing crumb hunter to figure out that (1) there’s a JK and (2) that it’s Blake

Also I can totally see him telling lilith to claim vengeful as a distancing tool because oBvIoUsLy sHe cAn’T bE BiNgLe’S pArtNeR wiTh a fAkeClAiM LiKe tHaT, and then him trying to get the credit for you being cleared when I highly doubt Blake wouldn’t have done that anyway

[Bingle]

Bingle, recap me again on why S_S can’t be scum

If SS is scum, he was run up simultaneously with one of his scumbuddies, was softbussed by the other scumbuddy as the sole scum PR, and none of the scumteam voted MariaR when she cropped up as the alternative to two scum lynches.

Also there a thing a long time ago where SS seemed to be trying to derail the gobbles lynch onto Firebringer that I thought might make them not scum together.

[Bingle]

Like I think the JK claim would be super obvious to scum!bingle so idk why he’s making out that he’d have to be this amazing crumb hunter to figure out that (1) there’s a JK and (2) that it’s Blake

If scumme knows there's a JK and that it's Blake why would I risk blake stopping the skitter kill in order to play around a potential tracker?

Your argument is that I knew both you and blake were PRs, both you and blake would target how you did, AND wasn't worried about skitter killing one of me/FB.

It's not finding one crumb, it's picking out every PR accurately and what they are and what they were going to do at night.

[Bingle]

super, super invested in not being the lynch today

Yes. I am invested in not being the lynch when I should be mechanically cleared. And I am going to give you so much shit in the post game for even having needed to have this conversation.

[Bingle]

tl;dr We absolutely lynch A50. We should never lynch me. If somehow A50 is not scum, I will definitely not sit down tomorrow and eat the lynch, because of course I won't and saying anything else is just manipulating you. I don't think either PP or SS is scum at this point, but if necessary I'd lynch either over me because I know I'm town, and, more importantly, SO SHOULD EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE IT'S GODDAMN OBVIOUS BASED ON PR RESULTS.

[Bingle]

And, what's more? The paranoia that PP has that A50 is feeding is based on me feeding doubt on what should have been a mechanical clear on PP to lynch A50. Which is exactly what is happening to me in this game.

[Menalque]

super, super invested in not being the lynch today

Yes. I am invested in not being the lynch when I should be mechanically cleared. And I am going to give you so much shit in the post game for even having needed to have this conversation.

You’re not cleared, stop trying to act as if you’re cleared! There is at *best* a softclear on you

There are two very viable explanations for you being scum namely (1) you used a ninja to kill skitter or (2) you got firebringer to kill skitter

If a softclear on datisi wasnt a reason to not lynch her, why should it be one on you? Especially when you’re exactly the calibre of scumplayer to try and make a big brain play like this

You being scum fits with so much — VCA, my initial sense that you were off, gobbles’ feelings of the same, skitter AND Blake both having you as one of their top scumreads — and you’re asking me to disregard all of that because of what *isn’t even a clear*

[Menalque]

Like I think the JK claim would be super obvious to scum!bingle so idk why he’s making out that he’d have to be this amazing crumb hunter to figure out that (1) there’s a JK and (2) that it’s Blake

If scumme knows there's a JK and that it's Blake why would I risk blake stopping the skitter kill in order to play around a potential tracker?

Your argument is that I knew both you and blake were PRs, both you and blake would target how you did, AND wasn't worried about skitter killing one of me/FB.

It's not finding one crumb, it's picking out every PR accurately and what they are and what they were going to do at night.

Because Blake already said she was unlikely to block you that night! She said that you were unlikely scum /at that point/

Plus you didn’t need to know it was me, you just had to suspect a tracker in the game to decide to use ninja or to get fb to kill. You are after all the person who was pushing the line hardest that ninja would probably have been used on N1 by scum.

And I’m not saying you WANTED to do any of this. I’m saying that being that you and fb were both bottom of the lynchpool, you were FORCED to roll the dice on getting a false inno (or at least not a guilty) and you knew from the jk crumb that skitt wouldn’t be protected. Therefore one of you had to try to deepwolf it and I don’t see you ever delegating that to fb considering the strength of your scumgame and the fact that you know you have a strong scumgame

[Menalque]

super, super invested in not being the lynch today

Yes. I am invested in not being the lynch when I should be mechanically cleared. And I am going to give you so much shit in the post game for even having needed to have this conversation.

And this is just blatant AtE (or maybe appeal to insecurity) to try to get me to doubt myself

If A50 is scum then it would mean Blake and skitter having been totally off pretty much all game. I doubt that sincerely. If you’re scum, they were right for most of the game and only begrudgingly let go of you (in Blake’s case) because she mistakenly believed you were actually inno’d

[Menalque]

And, what's more? The paranoia that PP has that A50 is feeding is based on me feeding doubt on what should have been a mechanical clear on PP to lynch A50. Which is exactly what is happening to me in this game.

...how is roleblocking the mechanical clear on PP a condemnation of A50 more than it is of you? That’s exactly what you or anyone would do as scum. Which is another valid point: why does anyone decide to not roleblock skitter N2? Why does anyone not tell lilith not to claim vengeful?

These are bad mechanics SO OBVIOUS that there’s a very good chance they’re that bad on purpose, to make it look like someone with an incredibly strong reputation for mechanics couldn’t possibly be behind them.

It’s exactly like what I did in mini normal 2119 when by playing a very supoptimal defence of my scumbuddy everyone said “nah that’s too scummy for mena, he’d know how it would look and he’s good enough as scum to avoid it”. That game is also relevant because we would have been fucked had datisi not gotten what seemed to be a false inno on me due to using my role at just the right time

I’m not willing to just let you do the same thing

[Menalque]

Especially when it’s so likely that yes you would know the exact time to use each role for maximum mechanical benefits

[Bingle]

There are two very viable explanations for you being scum namely (1) you used a ninja to kill skitter or (2) you got firebringer to kill skitter

Me using a ninja to kill skitter is bad play, because tracker is low priority as a PR to play around.

Firebringer killing skitter is bad play because there was a VERY HIGH POTENTIAL FOR SKITTER TO BE PROTECTED.

I've explained the why MULTIPLE TIMES.

You are simultaneously arguing that I predicted every single PR usage on N2 with one PR claim, and that I'm a big enough idiot to risk a doc on skitter and a rolecop on me or Firebringer and a vig on me and a vig on FB and a JK on Firebringer and a Hider on any of the potential mislynches.

I will 100% be throwing this in your face in the post game.

And no, I have not nor will I ever intentionally make shitty decisions to throw people off of the scent because it's a far bigger risk to let town power run around unchecked, because town power will remove viable mislynches from the pool, unless they're too pigheadedly paranoid to actually listen to their own results.

[Bingle]

...how is roleblocking the mechanical clear on PP a condemnation of A50 more than it is of you?

L2Read. I said A50 is playing the paranoia of me convincing PP to vote a mechanical clear in this game: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=80685

As far as why anyone would not roleblock skitter.... To strongman kill skitter through a fucking protection. Which is almost certainly what actually happened, because any other choice would be fucking stupid from any scum player with two working braincells and a keyboard.



There are two viable choices going into night with a presumed protective and a claimed vig as a scum JOAT. RB the vig or strongman the protective. I provably did neither. I would have had the ability to do at least one.

But fuck it. I'm done. If this is a town loss, it's YOUR town loss. You, 100%, are responsible for it.

And I'm done arguing the point. I will be responding to 0% of your posts for the rest of the game, because any logic I attempt to use will be met with a fucking brick wall of "nuh-uh" based on the idea that I'm dumb enough to shoot myself in the foot in order to maybe have an impossibly slim chance of a perfect storm of actions to soft clear me based on the existence of role I could not possibly have known were going to act the way they did.

All of my responses to you from now until the end of this game will be images from children's books.

[Bingle]

RB for the vig or strongman for the protective.

FTFM

[Almost50]

Firebringer killing skitter is bad play because there was a VERY HIGH POTENTIAL FOR SKITTER TO BE PROTECTED.

You keep repeating this like a broken record, so I'm going to ask you straight up: If YOU, Bingle, were a JK in this game; would you have been on skitter the night she got killed? In other words: Just switch your role with Blake's and keep everything else as it is.. roles, alignments, claims, lynches.. etc. Now tell me with a straight face that you would have JK'd the claimed Vig.

[Almost50]

VOTE: S_S

@Bingle: If that tantrum is an act and you turn to be the JOAT I.. I dunno what I'd do, but I'd probably hate you for the whole of next week or so.

[MariaR]

One of you are playing really well and I hate it.
A50 trs Peng
Bingle trs SS
Bingle is clear
And both the dead pr town read A50.

This is fine.

[MariaR]

You just need 1 tr in a group of 3 and I think I have it so why is this game so hard. I should just turn off my brain and vote weeeee

[Menalque]

I think your play is reminiscent of Detective Penguin @bingle, and you saying that you’re just going to dismiss me from now on with images from children’s books reminds me of your brushing off of scepticism there by posting “teacher talking from Charlie Brown” videos