Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: farside

it should be obvious that any investigative roles should be on pork/starbuck tonight

[iamausername]

for the record, before Starbuck dropped her revelation, i was thinking a lynchpool of {Blair, Puppy, Morning Tweet, iamausername} was a very reasonable way for the day to go, following yesterday's events, with Blair being the choice from that pool that i'd be backing. i reread overnight in light of Auro's flip, and Blair very much comes off as scum expecting the day to drift inexorably to a VP Baltar lynch and panicking when ABR pulled the rug out from under her.

why blair? if blair was scum she could have done a lot more to push vpb instead of passively sitting by, do you think blair is the kind of person who would let a scummate die by passively sitting by? i kinda want to meet this alternate reality blair, she sounds nice

'passively sitting by' accurately describes Blair's behaviour right up until the point ABR shifted momentum from VPB to Auro, at which point Blair was suddenly very eager to push an ABR wagon.

i'm saying she was happy to let a

town

player (VPB) die by passively sitting by, where i think a town Blair who didn't think VPB or Auro were scum would have done a lot more to push, like, any alternative well before that point.

anyway, all of this is immaterial right now because we're either lynching Porkens or farside today.

VOTE: farside

495 is the one that stuck out the most to me in iso reads. it's like "hey buddy, here's what you need to do so i have an excuse to get off your wagon". her iso in general gives the impression that she really wants to vote for Auro but really doesn't want Auro to actually be lynched.
while Porkens iso, in general, gives the impression that he doesn't know what the fuck to think.

and i know which one i can relate to more as a town mindset.

[VP Baltar]

Now that I believe starbuck that’s where I’m at

What changed your mind specifically?

[VP Baltar]

Also I don't see anything scummy with SB.

What was your actual read on SB yesterday and how did you arrive at that read?

[VP Baltar]

Very interested in hearing from MT and Blair.

[Porkens]

Her explanation this morning of why she withheld her information makes sense. She did make an effort to sort farside, and townread her theough the end of the day (I believe). She had an associative read from ABR that made her less likely to be nightkilled, and she didn’t want to define day one with her revelation.

[Green Crayons]

it should be obvious that any investigative roles should be on pork/starbuck tonight

what

[Green Crayons]

Sorry, let me include context:

VOTE: farside

[Morning Tweet]

for the record, before Starbuck dropped her revelation, i was thinking a lynchpool of {Blair, Puppy, Morning Tweet, iamausername} was a very reasonable way for the day to go, following yesterday's events, with Blair being the choice from that pool that i'd be backing. i reread overnight in light of Auro's flip, and Blair very much comes off as scum expecting the day to drift inexorably to a VP Baltar lynch and panicking when ABR pulled the rug out from under her.

why blair? if blair was scum she could have done a lot more to push vpb instead of passively sitting by, do you think blair is the kind of person who would let a scummate die by passively sitting by? i kinda want to meet this alternate reality blair, she sounds nice

I believe the working theory on Blair is that she expected the VP lynch to go through, or at the very least wouldn't have expected the Auro lynch to go off like that. If she believed that, then she wouldn't need to get VP's blood on her hands. You seem to be missing that part

1102/1138 are good crumbs by Starbuck i think. I believe it was always her plan to reveal this, at least with regards to Pork

I have no revelation. 4 town is two mislynches and two nightkills.

what the heck was the role PM comment earlier then?! Oh. Nevermind.

Very interested in hearing from MT and Blair.

hi VP!! (>ω<)

[VP Baltar]

hi VP!! (>ω<)

Since you believe Starbuck, who do you prefer lynching today, Porkens or Farside?

[Porkens]

My role PM has a different little phrase than the example at the top. That made me think it was perhaps a clue to the hidden mechanic. That’s all I was referring to.

[CantHateAPuppy]

it should be obvious that any investigative roles should be on pork/starbuck tonight

what

Sorry, let me include context:

VOTE: farside

if starbuck is scum getting two mislynches in, it'd be nice to know tomorrow instead of waiting through two mislynches. (though i hope farside just flips scum)

[CantHateAPuppy]

I believe the working theory on Blair is that she expected the VP lynch to go through, or at the very least wouldn't have expected the Auro lynch to go off like that. If she believed that, then she wouldn't need to get VP's blood on her hands. You seem to be missing that part

if blair was scum wanting a mislynch, she could have been a lot more active to get that mislynch. i don't think blair is the kind of person who would sit by passively and watch her positoin crumble (vpb and gammagooey can back me up on this point), so i think its a misreading to look at blair like that

i think that's enough blair defense since at some point blair has to come in and defend herself

[Blair]

'passively sitting by' accurately describes Blair's behaviour right up until the point ABR shifted momentum from VPB to Auro, at which point Blair was suddenly very eager to push an ABR wagon.

This is a mischaracterization for a couple (important) reasons:

1. I wasn't "passive" about VP Baltar. I was loudly townreading him and openly whinging about how dumb the wagon was. The only aspect of this you could characterize as passive was my lack of a compelling alternative (although I was pushing Starbuck pretty hard for a while there, which everyone but you seems to remember vividly).

2. I didn't become "suddenly very eager to push an ABR wagon" in response to ABR pushing Auro (ABR had pushed between VP Baltar and Auro multiple times already, I only reacted with a vote once). I became "suddenly eager" because it was the first case someone other than me put forward that I could get excited about. The causal relationship is pretty clear here - if I just wanted to punish ABR for pushing Auro it would have happened much earlier in the phase, as ABR pushed Auro many times.

[VP Baltar]

if blair was scum wanting a mislynch, she could have been a lot more active to get that mislynch. i don't think blair is the kind of person who would sit by passively and watch her positoin crumble (vpb and gammagooey can back me up on this point), so i think its a misreading to look at blair like that

i think that's enough blair defense since at some point blair has to come in and defend herself

On face, I'd agree with you. My sample size with Blair is one game though, so idk. I can see a world where scum sits back on a probable mislynch to bank town cred later. That's effectively what Gamma and I did during the NPOM lynch in that game.

Anyhow, Blair can give us her own perspective.

Pedit- and she has!

[Blair]

if blair was scum wanting a mislynch, she could have been a lot more active to get that mislynch. i don't think blair is the kind of person who would sit by passively and watch her positoin crumble (vpb and gammagooey can back me up on this point), so i think its a misreading to look at blair like that

Self-meta is gross, but I will agree here that scum!Blair probably wouldn't have voted for scum!Auro in the first place (which I did) - I already had an adequate null/town-lean progression on Auro, I could have gotten away with never voting for him.

[Morning Tweet]

hi VP!! (>ω<)

Since you believe Starbuck, who do you prefer lynching today, Porkens or Farside?

If Pork is scum I'll snap for good

Farside I lightly town leaned early yesterday but I snap reacted to her unfairness towards Auro by putting her down a tier and I just kept her in my PoE throughout. Kinda awkward

there's a couple things i'm thinking about, Hoopla I think brought up that if Starbuck makes this play as scum, she gets 2 mislynches and 3 nightkills in exchange for her life (assuming she can pull off lynching both). I believe her crumbs, though and I'm taking others' words for her attempting to sort farside atm which would mean she'd have to have planned out this play not just from end of day yesterday, but from the

very start

. Which is impossible for scum, surely

ideally i'd like to reread farside and Starbuck before voting but it hasnt happened yet

[VP Baltar]

ABR pushed Auro many times.

Were there particular instances of ABR pushing Auto you saw before he refused to L-1 me?

I didn't really get a sense he was making a serious push on Auro until that moment.

[VP Baltar]

I will be truly happy when I don't have to fix every phone Auro auto correct from Auto.

[Blair]

ABR was pushing both you and Auro simultaneously for a long time, no?

I can't give you specific instances because, honestly, I don't remember them. What I do remember is Albert shrieking about how he wanted both of as competing wagons for several pages.

[Blair]

if blair was scum wanting a mislynch, she could have been a lot more active to get that mislynch. i don't think blair is the kind of person who would sit by passively and watch her positoin crumble (vpb and gammagooey can back me up on this point), so i think its a misreading to look at blair like that

Self-meta is gross, but I will agree here that scum!Blair probably wouldn't have voted for scum!Auro in the first place (which I did) - I already had an adequate null/town-lean progression on Auro, I could have gotten away with never voting for him.

Essentially, I don't think scum!Me makes this vote on scum!Auro:

But I hate both of them.

*shrug*

you've had your chances throughout the day to convince the town on your pet read, and you didn't. you can always try again tomorrow.

from your ISO, it looks like you favour VP as town and Auro as "

confusing

" - confusing is good enough.

I guess I'd be ok with pressing a claim out of Auro, we can decide where to go from there.

VOTE: Auro

I will freely admit I moved this vote in my next post a while later, but that would be a pretty awkward thing to plan? Considering I had already established myself as comfortably opposed to the Auro wagon, why make this post at all?

[VP Baltar]

Yes, the shrieking was significant. I guess my point is that he was pushing my wagon much more thoroughly and then just sort of tacking Auro on as a second choice. So I'm curious where you felt like he was actually pushing Auro rather than just saying "VPB or Auro"

[iamausername]

yeah sure. my characterisation of your d1 play was highly reductionist, fine.

why Porkens over farside?

[Blair]

Yes, the shrieking was significant. I guess my point is that he was pushing my wagon much more thoroughly and then just sort of tacking Auro on as a second choice. So I'm curious where you felt like he was actually pushing Auro rather than just saying "VPB or Auro"

When he's hounding everyone to vote within his PoE, "VP or Auro" is significant.

[Blair]

yeah sure. my characterisation of your d1 play was highly reductionist, fine.

why Porkens over farside?

Porkens is the one who actually did enter the thread at an opportune moment and begin loudly promoting a new counterwagon.