New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

[T-Bone]

We have heard people who would prefer lynch remains. We are still making the change. If you have questions about what that change will look like, those are appropriate posts, please do so, I am watching the thread for those questions! Opining about not making the change or wanting the decision reversed, or some combination thereof, are not really appropriate at this point. We know a tiny number of people oppose this change. We have heard the feedback, we even anticipated hearing that kind of feedback, but we've made the decision anyway to remove lynch from our mafia vocabulary.

[Hiraki]

with constant word policing.

next month we're changing the word vote, i can't wait to see how up and arms you'll be then

[Creature]

Why are you still opposed again?

It is not the most practical and exceptions should be made for setups involving a setting that uses lynch for non-racial reasons.

But this is a dumb fucking argument that you've yet to support.

For mods: you must use a verb or noun other than "lynch" for your rules and for moderator communications. If it is in your current ruleset, change it.

I'd open an exception for games with direct medieval/Salem flavor.

Or pirates. Or wild west. Turns out "lynching" was used for a lot of things that had nothing to do with race.

Does it make pirate books less enjoyable because they used the word "lynch"?

[Creature]

We have heard people who would prefer lynch remains. We are still making the change. If you have questions about what that change will look like, those are appropriate posts, please do so, I am watching the thread for those questions! Opining about not making the change or wanting the decision reversed, or some combination thereof, are not really appropriate at this point. We know a tiny number of people oppose this change. We have heard the feedback, we even anticipated hearing that kind of feedback, but we've made the decision anyway to remove lynch from our mafia vocabulary.

Can there still be exceptions if the theme kinda involves the term?

[Ythan]

A dumb fucking argument that you've yet to support.

[kuribo]

I can't grasp why they wouldn't feel welcome just because of a word that isn't even used for racial reasons.

Then you obviously don't understand the Black experience as well as you think you do. I suggest you expand your circle of friends.

[T-Bone]

We have heard people who would prefer lynch remains. We are still making the change. If you have questions about what that change will look like, those are appropriate posts, please do so, I am watching the thread for those questions! Opining about not making the change or wanting the decision reversed, or some combination thereof, are not really appropriate at this point. We know a tiny number of people oppose this change. We have heard the feedback, we even anticipated hearing that kind of feedback, but we've made the decision anyway to remove lynch from our mafia vocabulary.

Can there still be exceptions if the theme kinda involves the term?

No.

[AGar]

We have heard people who would prefer lynch remains. We are still making the change. If you have questions about what that change will look like, those are appropriate posts, please do so, I am watching the thread for those questions! Opining about not making the change or wanting the decision reversed, or some combination thereof, are not really appropriate at this point. We know a tiny number of people oppose this change. We have heard the feedback, we even anticipated hearing that kind of feedback, but we've made the decision anyway to remove lynch from our mafia vocabulary.

Can there still be exceptions if the theme kinda involves the term?

I think the answer is pretty clearly, unequivocally... no.

[AGar]

Dammit I got sniped and nothing in p-edit.

[Creature]

We have heard people who would prefer lynch remains. We are still making the change. If you have questions about what that change will look like, those are appropriate posts, please do so, I am watching the thread for those questions! Opining about not making the change or wanting the decision reversed, or some combination thereof, are not really appropriate at this point. We know a tiny number of people oppose this change. We have heard the feedback, we even anticipated hearing that kind of feedback, but we've made the decision anyway to remove lynch from our mafia vocabulary.

Can there still be exceptions if the theme kinda involves the term?

No.

Damn, mobkill sounds really lame.

[T-Bone]

Get rekt Agar

[AGar]

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The disrespect.

[Creature]

I can't grasp why they wouldn't feel welcome just because of a word that isn't even used for racial reasons.

Then you obviously don't understand the Black experience as well as you think you do. I suggest you expand your circle of friends.

I could, but I'd still likely not find anyone with a problem over this word unless I searched inner specific circles.

[Davsto]

the "all other words are less practical" or "changing it is political" arguments both share the same fatal flaw of only being true if the word doesn't affect you personally. For anyone bothered by the word lynch or even using it in public due to its connotations - which I think this thread has established is a perfectly big number of people - it is neither the most practical option nor apolitical to keep it.

[kuribo]

I can't grasp why they wouldn't feel welcome just because of a word that isn't even used for racial reasons.

Then you obviously don't understand the Black experience as well as you think you do. I suggest you expand your circle of friends.

I could, but I'd still likely not find anyone with a problem over this word unless I searched inner specific circles.

So you want to not be considered racist but you're making the argument that it would be too much trouble to make Black friends, got it

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve been using execution in the games I mod for years in place of it.

[Starbuck]

good move, although will take a bit of getting used to! Maybe we could just removing the killing altogether and say:

"Player X fled"?

lore wise, i'd be incentivized to get voted up since I wouldn't risk death unlike with the mafia.

You're right...maybe the Mafia can just "remove from the town", rather than killing!

Non-violent mafia is what we want!

You have hereby been ostracized!

I'm actually pretty down with getting rid of cop as a word. Detective is far better suited

+1

We can roll the way the British do with like "Detective Inspector" or some such. Sorry, I rewatched Broadchurch recently and just finished Scott and Bailey on Amazon Prime.

I'm also happy for the people of color who might have otherwise been put off my the candor with which we use traditionally racialized violence as part of a game

This attitude is actually racist. I know many black people who play mafia and are, in fact, smart enough to disassociate the word "lynch" from fear of actually being lynched. I think they can speak for themselves, for and against this change, without being imagined as fragile people who need words put into their mouths.

You're also discounting those who might not speak up about it. Being inclusive and thinking about what words might hurt folks is inherently anti-racist. You're effectively using the "I have a black friend" argument which speaks to privilege. Just because your friends aren't offended doesn't mean others aren't.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can't grasp why they wouldn't feel welcome just because of a word that isn't even used for racial reasons.

Then you obviously don't understand the Black experience as well as you think you do. I suggest you expand your circle of friends.

I could, but I'd still likely not find anyone with a problem over this word unless I searched inner specific circles.

Eyyy we got there. Mask off racism.

[Alisae]

For anyone bothered by the word lynch or using it in public due to its connotations, which I think this thread has established is a perfectly big number of people

For the record, I still don’t care about what word I use.
But perhaps, maybe those people “suddenly” became bothered by it ONLY because they were introduced to evidence that suggested its bad, and they were given a platform to express that and eliminate anyone who disagrees because if they disagree then they must be racist.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm also happy for the people of color who might have otherwise been put off my the candor with which we use traditionally racialized violence as part of a game

This attitude is actually racist. I know many black people who play mafia and are, in fact, smart enough to disassociate the word "lynch" from fear of actually being lynched. I think they can speak for themselves, for and against this change, without being imagined as fragile people who need words put into their mouths.

This is also mask off racism.

"YOU'RE THE ACTUAL RACIST FOR CONSIDERING BLACK PEOPLE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND WE DON'T MEAN LYNCH IN A BAD WAY. I KNOW LOTS OF BLACK PEOPLE".

Like holy shit, you could go dye your hair blonde and work for Fox News with a take this bad.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

For anyone bothered by the word lynch or using it in public due to its connotations, which I think this thread has established is a perfectly big number of people

For the record, I still don’t care about what word I use.
But perhaps, maybe those people “suddenly” became bothered by it ONLY because they were introduced to evidence that suggested its bad, and they were given a platform to express that and eliminate anyone who disagrees because if they disagree then they must be racist.

haha i'm not racist i am just a nihilist

... unless?

[Alisae]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think they're racist?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

While we're at it
I have the following suggestions
The word "wagon" should no longer be used, when black people were slaves in the US, they'd use wagons to carry stuff. Ergo it instils racist history into our game and may upset people.
The word "bus" should no longer be used, Rosa Park sat on the bus. Ergo using it instils racist history into our game and may upset people.
The Tracker role, should be removed. It may upset victims of stalking.
Execution / similar is also not acceptable, during the Holocaust, and still in many places in the world today, people were executed by firing squad, this may upset people.
Voting should also be removed, in America democracy doesn't always work ie Trump 2016 or Bush 2004. This will make people young innocent people to believe democracy exists, thus upsetting people.
Mafia the name, should also be removed, there have been many victims to the Mafia, especially in places like Italy. Don't be xenophobic and upset Italians who may have suffered!
FoS should also be removed! Pointing at people may trigger anxiety!!
Throughout many years many were killed by Ninja. Do you want to upset the Japanese or the fortnite players?!?!
Strongman should be changed to strongperson or strongthing! You don't want to upset people! Not only men can be strong!
Similar to tracker, watcher should be removed! For victims of stalking and voyeur stuff!
Beloved Princess isn't gender neutral!
Bomb should be removed as a role for the vets out there and the refugees!
Godfather, of course changed to godparent.
Hooker!!!! How dare you portray women as sexual objects with that word!!
Judas??? We aren't all from christian majority countries. This is not okay!!
Paranoid as a role modifier? Are we making fun of people with anxiety?
Virgin sexualises people!!

This ^ is all nonsense. Grow up. I'm not going to stop using Lynch. Either we ban everything incase we upset people, or we ban nothing. If we only ban stuff which upsets the black community, you're saying every other community hasn't suffered or they're suffering is invalid. It's disgusting, your attempt to be woke has shown just how much you hate races which aren't black.
This topic and new rule is baloney.

My friend's cousin's mum's dog's walker's mum's friend unfortunately committed suicide by noose. It's not much to go off but seeing it reminds me that people suffer, and that I should be doing what I can to help people. Removing it will negatively impact my gameplay.

^ obviously bullshit.
I encourage a lot of you to go join the "Im 14 and this is deep" reddit page. You'll feel at home.

Lol who the fuck are you.

I never realized how much I needed you in my life again Ythan.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think racist?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[brassherald]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think racist?

Yeah, the racists are the ones getting gunned down in the streets right now...