Open 780: Chromavalon - GAME OVER

Post Post #15 (isolation #0) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:12 pm

VOTE: galron
Who are you?

Post Post #68 (isolation #1) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:45 pm

In post 34, Five Candles wrote:VOTE: Turquoise-ish(?) Ball

SirCakez can be shelved for day 4.

I'm happy here

Post Post #71 (isolation #2) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:06 pm

Boro is struggling

Post Post #92 (isolation #3) » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:54 am

In post 73, Midari Ikishima wrote:VOTE: Pink Ball

3 Pages already. Oof This is going to be one of those games.

Also Only flamingos can be pink.

VOTE: Midari
this seems fake

Post Post #105 (isolation #4) » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:46 am

In post 98, ManateeDude wrote:where was all the energy we had in signups smh why dont we discuss setup mechanics to move out of this limbo.

LAMIST

Post Post #120 (isolation #5) » Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:30 pm

I like the anime guys for scum team

Post Post #134 (isolation #6) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:04 am

In post 128, Hiraki wrote:
In post 121, ManateeDude wrote:Tempted to lynch TSE just for that comment from Hiraki
for not rushing the day? okay

In post 120, SirCakez wrote:I like the anime guys for scum team
because i don't want to end d1 on page 5

okkkkkaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

In post 113, Hiraki wrote:TSE doesn't even seem to care about the votes on him.
still true FYI

Why are you assuming that's what I want to lynch you for? This seems like scum mad for caught for the wrong reasons.

In post 131, Galron wrote:
In post 105, SirCakez wrote:
In post 98, ManateeDude wrote:where was all the energy we had in signups smh why dont we discuss setup mechanics to move out of this limbo.
LAMIST

In post 120, SirCakez wrote:I like the anime guys for scum team
Reaching.

on page 5?

Post Post #149 (isolation #7) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:16 pm

In post 135, Hiraki wrote:saying okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy is being mad?

also if you don't say anything, then yes i am going to assume that you are following the logic of other people because you have nothing new to add to the conversation. why would i assume that you have some other reason to think im scum? i'm not a mindreader over here

It sounds like you're POed about it, yeah.

In post 136, Galron wrote:
In post 134, SirCakez wrote:on page 5?
Checking to be sure.

what does this mean? you were reaction testing?

In post 143, Five Candles wrote:I think there might be a Merlin in [Kerset, Hiraki, Manatee] but Manatee is the weakest of these reads.

I also have a inkling there isn't a Merlin in [Galron, Galron, Galron].

what are you trying to accomplish here?

Post Post #184 (isolation #8) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:20 am

In post 172, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Whatever Scum.

ok hear me out
this actually seems kind of genuine frustration? PP was being kinda rude to TSE and I can see TSE (knowing his personality) ending that argument this way as town.

Post Post #189 (isolation #9) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:37 am

In post 185, ManateeDude wrote:Cakez any particular reason you're still voting midari

I thought I was on Hiraki
VOTE: Hiraki

Post Post #190 (isolation #10) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:38 am

In post 171, PenguinPower wrote:You’re either an imbecile and don’t understand the setup or haven’t read it.

Your choice.

@PP this post could be annoying

Post Post #197 (isolation #11) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:38 pm

Midari's ISO is rlly bad

Post Post #229 (isolation #12) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:15 am

In post 198, Midari Ikishima wrote:You didn't like my entrance into this game. And have kept me on your radar the whole time. Of course it's going to be bad. I'm not sure how I feel about TSE at the moment though.
PP seems like a frustrated town though.

Even disregarding my dislike of your entrance I would still find your ISO to be scummy.

In post 204, PenguinPower wrote:-Shows why TSE is scummy
-Hey, I’ll hop on the counterwagon.

...

Yeah I noticed this too. Kind of gross.

In post 209, enomis wrote:
In post 207, PenguinPower wrote:I think he’s the scummiest here so far, but I’m okay waiting to see what happens.

Why are you okay with the Hiraki wagon, enomis?
Gut.

And this follow up doesn't really make sense. Why go for a gutread instead of someone he just described a scumread on?

Post Post #231 (isolation #13) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:49 am

Because I also think Hiraki is really scummy and there's a wagon there

Post Post #233 (isolation #14) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:02 am

he's way too defensive about pushes on him

Post Post #236 (isolation #15) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:44 am

In post 235, Hiraki wrote:SirCakez - do you need me to link 50+ youtube videos showing "okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay" means literally anything but being pissed off? Or is that all you've got so far for a case?

I still read your response (and this response) as defensive even disregarding the "okaaaaay"

Post Post #237 (isolation #16) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:45 am

and I also SR you for a lack of scumhunting other than TSE, who is the leading wagon

Post Post #240 (isolation #17) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:03 am

I agree enomis is not great

Post Post #242 (isolation #18) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:56 pm

Why are you so stuck up on the okay thing? I've already said I SR you for other things and you keep coming back to it.

Post Post #252 (isolation #19) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:03 am

In post 246, Five Candles wrote:SirCakez, please rank these from least scummy to most scummy:

1) OK

2) Okay

3) Okaaaaaay

4) Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

5) Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

Least scummy - 2, 4, 5, 2, 1 - Most scummy

Post Post #253 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:04 am

In post 248, Kerset wrote:Don't bully cakez

<3

In post 251, Galron wrote:
In post 231, SirCakez wrote:Because I also think Hiraki is really scummy and there's a wagon there
There no longer is.

Well the alternatives suck
Join me on Hiraki

Post Post #256 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:48 am

JOIN OUR QUEST!!!
LYNCH THE HEATHEN HIRAKI!!!

Post Post #269 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:31 pm

In post 262, Hiraki wrote:
In post 242, SirCakez wrote:Why are you so stuck up on the okay thing? I've already said I SR you for other things and you keep coming back to it.
Ah yes, the elusive "other things" that I have talked about because you have identified them

I have...

Post Post #285 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:58 pm

In post 134, SirCakez wrote:
In post 128, Hiraki wrote:
In post 121, ManateeDude wrote:Tempted to lynch TSE just for that comment from Hiraki
for not rushing the day? okay

In post 120, SirCakez wrote:I like the anime guys for scum team
because i don't want to end d1 on page 5

okkkkkaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

In post 113, Hiraki wrote:TSE doesn't even seem to care about the votes on him.
still true FYI
Why are you assuming that's what I want to lynch you for? This seems like scum mad for caught for the wrong reasons.
In post 131, Galron wrote:
In post 105, SirCakez wrote:
In post 98, ManateeDude wrote:where was all the energy we had in signups smh why dont we discuss setup mechanics to move out of this limbo.
LAMIST

In post 120, SirCakez wrote:I like the anime guys for scum team
Reaching.
on page 5?

In post 233, SirCakez wrote:he's way too defensive about pushes on him

In post 237, SirCakez wrote:and I also SR you for a lack of scumhunting other than TSE, who is the leading wagon

Post Post #286 (isolation #24) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:58 pm

still want to continue w/Hiraki and Midari tmrw even w/TSE scum

Post Post #304 (isolation #25) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:08 pm

Calling Hiraki the counterwagon is rich, it was just PB and I

Post Post #306 (isolation #26) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:18 pm

Where did I defend TSE? I just liked other stuff more.
I dislike Midari fyi and will happily vote there tomorrow.

Post Post #311 (isolation #27) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:49 pm

In post 307, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 184, SirCakez wrote:
In post 172, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Whatever Scum.
ok hear me out
this actually seems kind of genuine frustration? PP was being kinda rude to TSE and I can see TSE (knowing his personality) ending that argument this way as town.

I forgot about that post, it was a while ago. Fair enough.
I don't see how saying the TSE wagon sucks construes a defense of him.

Post Post #322 (isolation #28) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:29 am

VOTE: midari
Obvious place to go with these flips

Post Post #326 (isolation #29) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:36 am

Look at the VC, Midari was spearheading a counterwagon on PB who we now know was town

Post Post #335 (isolation #30) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:51 am

In post 333, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 326, SirCakez wrote:Look at the VC, Midari was spearheading a counterwagon on PB who we now know was town
Midari parked on PB during RVS and didn't do much else. I wouldn't say "spearheaded."

Oh my mistake, I thought he came in later.
My point still stands that he was avoiding the TSE wagon.

Post Post #346 (isolation #31) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:03 am

In post 338, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 335, SirCakez wrote:My point still stands that he was avoiding the TSE wagon.
Though on retrospection, you did the same as her sans calling out the scum claim.

In post 340, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 338, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 335, SirCakez wrote:My point still stands that he was avoiding the TSE wagon.
Though on retrospection, you did the same as her sans calling out the scum claim.
yeah hence why I still think SirCakez pushing Midari is questionable

I know and I'm aware I don't look great because of it. What I can say is I was just unsure about TSE all day because of him being the lead wagon from the start of the game. I just felt more sure about Hiraki and Midari F1.

Post Post #347 (isolation #32) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:04 am

I agree Galron/enomis look bad.

Post Post #365 (isolation #33) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:06 am

In post 353, Galron wrote:
In post 347, SirCakez wrote:I agree Galron/enomis look bad.
What leads you to conclude this?

In post 354, PenguinPower wrote:Because you haven’t done much.

Post Post #366 (isolation #34) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:07 am

In post 327, ManateeDude wrote:I actually kind of understand why cakez is pushing midari the interactions with TSE was a very non-comittal "oh hes town" so like I see that as a viable lynch today

for hiraki I think their avoidance of the TSE wagon and stating he wanted more time to develop reads as his excuse for not hammering,, only to then argue with the scumreads on him without posting very much else in terms of substantial content.. all of it accumulates in a way that reads really scummy to me

In post 360, ManateeDude wrote:Midari wagon is bad and honestly FoS Cakez for pushing it

what is this progression

Post Post #384 (isolation #35) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:37 pm

In post 376, Galron wrote:
In post 365, SirCakez wrote:
In post 353, Galron wrote:
In post 347, SirCakez wrote:I agree Galron/enomis look bad.
What leads you to conclude this?

In post 354, PenguinPower wrote:Because you haven’t done much.
Other than not having posted for 6 days, how does enomis look bad with this post and lynching scum?

In post 202, enomis wrote:
In post 107, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 39, Kerset wrote:
In post 13, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Since Mafia wins if they figure out the Merlin’s colours out best bet here is to all give a Lock scum read.
As if your were or if you are Merlin.
You basically force merlin to reveal his mafia lead in game where mafia needs to figure out merlins leads?
To confuse mafia on who it is.
So let me get your thought process right.

1) You want everyone to out a random lockscum to "confuse" mafia who it is. (How does that confuse the mafia if it is random)
2) If we don't state that this lockscum reveal is random, doesn't it just give Mafia more ammo to work with?

How does 1/2 help town confuse mafia?

there's nothing particularly townie about this

In post 379, Galron wrote:
In post 286, SirCakez wrote:still want to continue w/Hiraki and Midari tmrw even w/TSE scum
Did Hiraki fall off your radar?

i'm less sure about him than Midari

In post 382, Galron wrote:
In post 380, PenguinPower wrote:I think I’ve been pretty transparent with my thoughts on them. Why do you find them fishy?

I’m not a fan of preflip associatives, but feel free to give your thoughts if you want.
Cakez can't support the "obvious" trail that led him vote Midari with nothing more than she avoided the lynch wagon, and whilst his grasp on Midari weakens, calls out Galron and enomis for, what, lurking? Yet Hiraki, who he was all over yesterday, goes disregarded.

this is bs
I've been calling Midari scum since early day 1

Post Post #389 (isolation #36) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:12 am

we meet again mr mage

Post Post #394 (isolation #37) » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:49 am

In post 391, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 389, SirCakez wrote:we meet again mr mage
Hello Sir!

Can you confirm you are not Amanda Young here?

It's true...

In post 392, Battle Mage wrote:VOTE: Hiraki

I've seen enough...

Why not join our lovely Midari wagon?

Post Post #397 (isolation #38) » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:02 pm

I feel like this game is not moving at all

Post Post #402 (isolation #39) » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:31 am

In post 398, Galron wrote:Sheeping Hiraki.

VOTE: cakez

?????

Post Post #403 (isolation #40) » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:32 am

that's so disconnected from your ISO progression Galron
You voice suspicions of me but never indicate any sort of townread on Hiraki
Why say you're sheeping him?

Post Post #409 (isolation #41) » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:22 am

mmm BM where's your town passion from Jigsaw?

Post Post #413 (isolation #42) » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:17 am

In post 411, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 409, SirCakez wrote:mmm BM where's your town passion from Jigsaw?
It was scum passion in Jigsaw, I think you just sent me the wrong role PM.

This isn't a normal mafia game and the setup is actually less easily navigable than I anticipated when I signed up...

Yeah but it doesn't even feel like you're trying here

Post Post #417 (isolation #43) » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:28 pm

VOTE: galron
I'll join this to shake up the game
It's so stale

Post Post #424 (isolation #44) » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:18 pm

Kerset why not vote galron?

Post Post #425 (isolation #45) » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:19 pm

Highly sus of BM this is not AT ALL like he was in the recent Jigsaw game as town

Post Post #426 (isolation #46) » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:19 pm

and enomis was already not great

Post Post #429 (isolation #47) » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:11 pm

Join our new wagon Galron's reaction is bad

Post Post #433 (isolation #48) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:17 am

In post 430, Galron wrote:
In post 429, SirCakez wrote:Galron's reaction is bad
Jesus. Are you mad because I'm not playing in your pre-defined structure of how you think I should be? Are you mad because I'm voting you? Look around. If you're not scum, quit acting like it.

This game has been a slog. I don't think too many people really know how to approach it yet. TSE made a dumb strategy post that outed him as scum Day 1. Midari made a post Day 1 to the effect of how many understand the rules/setup. That sounded townie to me at the time, and even though she's kind of scum claimed since then, I think that still may be one of the most honest posts of the game. Other than Hiraki's rant. If you look at that, he pretty much nailed the game dynamic at the time. And his ISO is essentially a mind meld with where I'm at. Now we have cakez scum reading four or five people, penguin saying he's okay lynching Midari but not voting there, and Manatee and candles, I don't really know what they're about. Enomis was honest enough to bail, and like I said before, I don't see scum repping out of a lurk party. Battle Mage, bless him, also honestly said he is having difficulty with the mechanic.

If y'all want to lynch Midari, fine, but I think cakez is the better candidate today.

idgaf about you voting me
I am scumreading four people, it's too many yeah.
But your noncommital responses earlier and now this blowup at this weak-ass wagon aren't making you look very good.
I still strongly SR Midari and will gladly return to that wagon.

Post Post #434 (isolation #49) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:18 am

You can't even explain your "sheeping Hiraki" comment despite multiple people questioning it.

Post Post #435 (isolation #50) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:18 am

In post 427, Galron wrote:Why would scum rep out in a lurkfest?

also I missed this
I have no clue but I'm not gonna call enomis slot town for it

Post Post #442 (isolation #51) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:15 am

In post 441, Five Candles wrote:If Midari is scum, Battle Mage probably isn't, and vice versa. Don't come at me with that sickening preflip analysis, Galron.

where are you getting this from?

Post Post #456 (isolation #52) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:48 pm

In post 446, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 430, Galron wrote:
In post 429, SirCakez wrote:Galron's reaction is bad
Jesus. Are you mad because I'm not playing in your pre-defined structure of how you think I should be? Are you mad because I'm voting you? Look around. If you're not scum, quit acting like it.

This game has been a slog. I don't think too many people really know how to approach it yet. TSE made a dumb strategy post that outed him as scum Day 1. Midari made a post Day 1 to the effect of how many understand the rules/setup. That sounded townie to me at the time, and even though she's kind of scum claimed since then, I think that still may be one of the most honest posts of the game. Other than Hiraki's rant. If you look at that, he pretty much nailed the game dynamic at the time. And his ISO is essentially a mind meld with where I'm at. Now we have cakez scum reading four or five people, penguin saying he's okay lynching Midari but not voting there, and Manatee and candles, I don't really know what they're about. Enomis was honest enough to bail, and like I said before, I don't see scum repping out of a lurk party. Battle Mage, bless him, also honestly said he is having difficulty with the mechanic.

If y'all want to lynch Midari, fine, but I think cakez is the better candidate today.
This resonates with me. SirCakez you're right that this is not how I played in Jigsaw, however:

A. My play in Jigsaw single-handedly screwed up the entire game for the town, so it's hardly a meta I'm trying to re-create.
B. I'm not a complete try-hard in every game as town - my drive generally links to my level of engagement, and confidence in my reads.

I wonder if you're genuinely scumreading me based on that meta, or if you're trying to encourage me to play like I did in Jigsaw? The latter is tantamount to fishing in this game.
All
things considered...you're my guy.

VOTE: SirCakez

Ok this is definitely scum
Not because of OMGUS but because BM has done jack shit to scumhunt and can only offer this as his vote. And his logic makes literally no sense. Trying to fish him what?

I think I'm def wrong on one of Hiraki/Midari slot cuz I have too many strong SRs. Probably Hiraki.

Post Post #457 (isolation #53) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:50 pm

And enomis was an obvious busser on the D1 wagon

Post Post #465 (isolation #54) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:02 am

I am willing to do Galron, Titus and Battle Mage

Post Post #471 (isolation #55) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:17 pm

I feel like I have nothing new to add so why post?

Post Post #481 (isolation #56) » Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:33 am

Fine w/me

Post Post #488 (isolation #57) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:10 am

VOTE: galron
Him and Battle Mage need death.

Post Post #495 (isolation #58) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:27 am

In post 491, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 488, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: galron
Him and Battle Mage need death.
Why Galron first?

I don't have a preference
Hiraki voted Galron first so I figured wagon up

Post Post #497 (isolation #59) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:30 am

not for sure but it seems more likely as my Galron and BM SRs are stronger and there's only two scum left

Post Post #498 (isolation #60) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:31 am

Hiraki would be my third suspect if one of those is town I suppose

Post Post #509 (isolation #61) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:05 pm

Galron why are you even SRing me again?

Post Post #516 (isolation #62) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:42 am

I'm pretty much ready to lynch BM right now that was one of the scummiest hammers I've ever seen

Post Post #518 (isolation #63) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:30 pm

*crickets*

Post Post #522 (isolation #64) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:04 pm

I'm on BM/Hiraki
I figure after BM flips scum tomorrow will be Hiraki/myself 1v1ing

Post Post #526 (isolation #65) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:30 am

Yeah ok lol

Post Post #531 (isolation #66) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:22 am

In post 527, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 526, SirCakez wrote:Yeah ok lol
Lack of a vote for me is tantamount to a confession? It's LyLo, so if you were town you should always be voting for me here, particularly if you aren't planning to engage with me.

I'm not gonna help you self hammer

Post Post #541 (isolation #67) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:11 am

I am ready to vote BM but I want to hear from Hiraki first

Post Post #547 (isolation #68) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:16 am

He's not even hammered and he's crying wolf
Also I'm not hammering rn btw

Post Post #548 (isolation #69) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:17 am

Call this intent so anyone else get in any last posts then I'm hammering later

Post Post #549 (isolation #70) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:19 am

Hmmm I'm ready to death match Hiraki tomorrow but I don't want to discount PP/FC
I haven't really rethought them in a long time

Post Post #557 (isolation #71) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:10 pm

VOTE: battle mage
adios!

Post Post #561 (isolation #72) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:25 am

its time....

Post Post #562 (isolation #73) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:26 am

In post 555, PenguinPower wrote:It’s probably Hiraki. Cakez would have gone for the bus here...like Hiraki did.

this kill obviously points to Hiraki
but it seems kind of blatant?
hmmm
I don't want to discount 5C

Post Post #563 (isolation #74) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:27 am

also a headsup I'm gonna have to replace out Saturday (I'm going on a trip somewhere with no internet) so hopefully we can end this before then and save Molla the trouble

Post Post #568 (isolation #75) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:02 am

In post 565, Five Candles wrote:
In post 563, SirCakez wrote:also a headsup I'm gonna have to replace out Saturday (I'm going on a trip somewhere with no internet) so hopefully we can end this before then and save Molla the trouble
4 days till then so that might not be enough. How long you gone on this trip for?

a month

alright I think scum probably already figured this out and it looks like you're both against me so I'm just gonna drop that I was the Merlin on enomis/BM slot
That's why I kept pushing on BM as soon as he replaced in and why I had enomis in my back SRs the whole game.

Post Post #569 (isolation #76) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:02 am

I tried to hide it by using meta on BM from that recent game.

Post Post #572 (isolation #77) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:04 am

Spoiler:

see these

Post Post #575 (isolation #78) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:05 am

ok that reaction pretty much seals it as Hiraki for me

Post Post #576 (isolation #79) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:05 am

In post 573, Hiraki wrote:where you also call Galron out??

yeah because I was trying to not be obvious about it by mixing it with other SRs I had

Post Post #577 (isolation #80) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:05 am

well 5C didn't hammer so I can put this down
VOTE: hiraki

Post Post #579 (isolation #81) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:07 am

Spoiler:

more

Post Post #580 (isolation #82) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:08 am

you're CCing as the enomis/BM merlin?

Post Post #581 (isolation #83) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:08 am

w/e there's no point arguing with you I know you're scum
I'm gonna wait and hear from 5C

Post Post #584 (isolation #84) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:10 am

In post 582, Five Candles wrote:SirCakez, why did you keep shading enomis during Day 1 instead of outright pushing him? And were you not afraid of being discovered as the Merlin on that slot due to the frequency that you did it?

I was afraid of being too obvious about it. enomis went basically ignored all of day 1 so if I kept pushing a lurker rather than the wagons who were being discussed I think scum would have noticed. I don't even recall another enomis pusher D1.
That's why I upped my pushing when BM entered, because I had more ammunition to use with my meta case

Post Post #586 (isolation #85) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:11 am

OMG I AM AN IDIOTTTT

Post Post #587 (isolation #86) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:11 am

FUCKKKK ME

Post Post #589 (isolation #87) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:12 am

so I was supposed to know who the other Merlins were this whole game

In post 585, Five Candles wrote:
In post 582, Five Candles wrote:Hiraki, what type of Merlin are you?
Wait, maybe don't answer this yet.

Cakez, why did you claim who you were a Merlin on in the first place instead of just claiming Merlin? It makes scum's job a lot easier even if we vote correctly here.

Because I had a lot of evidence supporting me on pushing the enomis/BM slot
I was worried if I just claimed general Merlin it would be less believable
and like I said I think it's obvious which Merlin I was

Post Post #592 (isolation #88) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:17 am

I must have missed them when I read the role PM ://///
yeah
I'm the Red Merlin, if colors were what you were confused about

Post Post #595 (isolation #89) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:19 am

ok let me bring up another thing now that I know 5C is town
why would I kill PP here? he was on my side.
and before you say "frame job" obviously that is not working if I were scum here.

Post Post #596 (isolation #90) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:19 am

i should quit mafia after this shit lol

Post Post #597 (isolation #91) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:20 am

i dunno what else to add here. i fucked up with my role PM but I have a huge trail of evidence of where I've been pushing on my person because that's what I was concerned about

Post Post #599 (isolation #92) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:22 am

this makes me glad i'm taking a vacation from mafia cuz I'm really pissed with myself here

Post Post #600 (isolation #93) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:23 am

In post 598, Five Candles wrote:
In post 595, SirCakez wrote:ok let me bring up another thing now that I know 5C is town
why would I kill PP here? he was on my side.
and before you say "frame job" obviously that is not working if I were scum here.
It's not really helpful to talk about this I don't think. It gives you slight town points but that's about it.

I more want to talk about why you bothered to shade enomis at all if you weren't pushing him. If you're a Merlin and worried about looking like the Red one for pushing enomis, then why weirdly shade him instead of just not doing that and drawing suspicion?

That's why I kept him in my backburner pool of scum with some other lurker-types. I wanted it to look like he was just one of a pool of suspects I was considering. I didn't think that I could force a lynch through on him early and I had other scumspects so I didn't see the point in full-pushing him.

Post Post #602 (isolation #94) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:25 am

Because I knew at that point that BM would be getting lynched within the next few days regardless because of how scummy he was playing so I wanted to push on other suspects

Post Post #603 (isolation #95) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:26 am

In post 495, SirCakez wrote:
In post 491, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 488, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: galron
Him and Battle Mage need death.
Why Galron first?
I don't have a preference
Hiraki voted Galron first so I figured wagon up

And this

Post Post #604 (isolation #96) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:26 am

My Galron SR was realllly strong

Post Post #605 (isolation #97) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:28 am

i'll answer questions about this as much as you need

Post Post #607 (isolation #98) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:29 am

In post 606, Five Candles wrote:Hang on a second... I just checked my role PM and I'm a Merlin and neither of you are my buddies. Someone's lying here.

I'll be back later to reread the game. Hiraki, point out why you think Cakez is lying here.

Pedit: But BM on the other hand was confirmed scum to your PoV...

you're a jerk

You missed my point. Ofc BM was confscum from my view but I didn't see a need to push on him more because he was doing himself in. So the less Merlin exposure the better.

Post Post #610 (isolation #99) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:42 am

In post 608, Five Candles wrote:Thing is, if Galron flipped town, we'd be in lylo the next day. BM obvscum hammering like that made that lylo really easy for us though. But point is, BM being lynched in the "next few days" isn't okay there.

I get what you mean if you think BM should've been pushed by other people without you helping I guess, but personally, the way you shaded the slot the whole game without directly pushing it actually makes you look more like the corresponding Merlin. It's equivalent to scum shading their buddy without actually pushing them.

But I saw no way the scumteam was gonna kill me because I was pretty suspected by some people and I'm generally an easy mislynch for scum. So I planned to step in directly at that point if Galron flipped town (like he did). That's why I opened the next day so strongly (and would have regardless of the scummy ass hammer).

Post Post #611 (isolation #100) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:43 am

This is getting into "best play theory" at this point because I've never played in a game like this or a role like this before. So I didn't know if I should be direct or shade like I did. I decided to play it a little safer because I wasn't confident in myself to actually push the lynch through early on.

Post Post #612 (isolation #101) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:08 pm

*crickets*

Post Post #613 (isolation #102) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:08 pm

I feel bad for dead chat
Let's not drag this one out two weeks

Post Post #616 (isolation #103) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:13 pm

In post 614, Five Candles wrote:It's the first day, why would you feel bad for dead chat, Dessert Merlin?

If you'd like, I could hammer you here to speed this up. Or, I can reread the game tomorrow when I have some time and see if I have any other questions or change my mind.

Go at your speed. I just would really feel bad for someone else having to take over this slot. And I've been bothered by some games like a recent Mini Normal I modded playing out LyLo for the entire day phase while no more then five posts were made a day.
And I feel bad for dead chat (or at least dead town) b/c they have to watch this play out and my dumbassery and can't do anything about it.

Post Post #617 (isolation #104) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:14 pm

Like I'm not saying END THE GAME RIGHT NOW like Hiraki but also don't take forever ya?

Post Post #618 (isolation #105) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:14 pm

You should dig into Hiraki's Merlin claim. I guarantee he doesn't have anything to back it up.

Post Post #620 (isolation #106) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:41 pm

Then why'd you even claim Merlin in the first place? If you aren't gonna use it to defend yourself then you just gave scum free info.
But I know the answer ofc

Post Post #621 (isolation #107) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:45 pm

Sorta off topic but I hate being in LyLo situations like this in general. Either you have to spout straight bs about someone else to a third person or you have to deal with someone who is spouting that bs. It's so frustrating knowing 100% that someone is lying and not being able to do anything about it other than argue endlessly.
/End rant

Post Post #623 (isolation #108) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:30 am

That doesn't make any sense. As soon as 5C didn't hammer me from your POV I should be confirmed scum so your CC was pointless.

Post Post #624 (isolation #109) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:30 am

And 5C hasn't talked about it at all either so it didn't do anything to help convince them.

Post Post #630 (isolation #110) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:40 am

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82341
My only recent one

Post Post #631 (isolation #111) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:40 am

If you're gonna hammer me just do it don't drag this out
It seems like you're not really changing your mind

Post Post #632 (isolation #112) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:41 am

I'll take the blame for this one

Post Post #633 (isolation #113) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:41 am

In post 626, Five Candles wrote:I can't see myself ever hammering Blindfolded Merlin after you slipped like that, so uh, you might as well out your fellow Merlins and give scum a 50/50 if you're town. Maybe it'll make an extreme amount of sense but it'd take a miracle to change my mind I think.

I don't understand this

Post Post #634 (isolation #114) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:42 am

In post 627, Five Candles wrote:I skimmed through the game again and mostly, all I got were icky feels from you never pushing your supposed Merlin target while shading them in a suspicious way - which just looks like scum distancing.

This is fucking stupid though
That is just not how to play a Merlin
If you do that then it would be obvious as fuck to scum I've already talked about this

Post Post #635 (isolation #115) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:45 am

I haven't been this frustrated with a Mafia game in a while

Post Post #636 (isolation #116) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:07 am

Dang what if 5C was scum doing a ploy to get the other Merlin identities
That would be god tier

Post Post #638 (isolation #117) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:40 am

"Goons are given a set of 5 town including the 3 Merlins and 2 random VTs, but they don't know who's who. Mafia cannot NK any of these players on the first night."

Post Post #639 (isolation #118) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:40 am

oh wait yeah I'm dumb lol he could just hammer me and win

Post Post #640 (isolation #119) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:41 am

for some reason I got it in my head that scum needed to guess the Merlins AND win parity

Post Post #642 (isolation #120) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:33 am

cuz I literally just went and looked at my rolecard as soon as I read 583

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:03 am

In post 646, Five Candles wrote:
In post 456, SirCakez wrote:
In post 446, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 430, Galron wrote:
In post 429, SirCakez wrote:Galron's reaction is bad
Jesus. Are you mad because I'm not playing in your pre-defined structure of how you think I should be? Are you mad because I'm voting you? Look around. If you're not scum, quit acting like it.

This game has been a slog. I don't think too many people really know how to approach it yet. TSE made a dumb strategy post that outed him as scum Day 1. Midari made a post Day 1 to the effect of how many understand the rules/setup. That sounded townie to me at the time, and even though she's kind of scum claimed since then, I think that still may be one of the most honest posts of the game. Other than Hiraki's rant. If you look at that, he pretty much nailed the game dynamic at the time. And his ISO is essentially a mind meld with where I'm at. Now we have cakez scum reading four or five people, penguin saying he's okay lynching Midari but not voting there, and Manatee and candles, I don't really know what they're about. Enomis was honest enough to bail, and like I said before, I don't see scum repping out of a lurk party. Battle Mage, bless him, also honestly said he is having difficulty with the mechanic.

If y'all want to lynch Midari, fine, but I think cakez is the better candidate today.
This resonates with me. SirCakez you're right that this is not how I played in Jigsaw, however:

A. My play in Jigsaw single-handedly screwed up the entire game for the town, so it's hardly a meta I'm trying to re-create.
B. I'm not a complete try-hard in every game as town - my drive generally links to my level of engagement, and confidence in my reads.

I wonder if you're genuinely scumreading me based on that meta, or if you're trying to encourage me to play like I did in Jigsaw? The latter is tantamount to fishing in this game.
All
things considered...you're my guy.

VOTE: SirCakez
Ok this is definitely scum
Not because of OMGUS but because BM has done jack shit to scumhunt and can only offer this as his vote. And his logic makes literally no sense. Trying to fish him what?

I think I'm def wrong on one of Hiraki/Midari slot cuz I have too many strong SRs. Probably Hiraki.
I'm sorry, but this is not how you play Merlin. You shaded and expressed strong scumreads on BM but never pushed him until everyone else was obviously going to lynch him anyway. That's just how you make yourself look like a Merlin on BM.
How I would play Merlin, is to allow myself/find a natural way to scumread my target later on if the town aren't getting it done. Or just don't weirdly shade them the entire game without pushing if you're afraid of being caught out.

What you did is what scum do to distance from each other.

That's what I fucking did with my meta argument!!!!!
It's like you're not even reading my posts.
And it's stupid that you're calling me scum because you disagree on what the "correct" way to play a role is.

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:05 am

In post 647, Five Candles wrote:
In post 568, SirCakez wrote:alright I think scum probably already figured this out and it looks like you're both against me so I'm just gonna drop that I was the Merlin on enomis/BM slot
That's why I kept pushing on BM as soon as he replaced in and why I had enomis in my back SRs the whole game.
I don't get the "scum probably already figured this out" bit. If Hiraki was scum, they'd surely be more inclined to think he was your target.

And you're admitting here your Merlin strategy was poor if you think they'd have figured it out?

I was the first one on BM with my meta argument before other people were paying attention.
I was saying it wasn't nearly subtle enough by saying scum had probably figured it out. But according to you I should have been more obvious? Idk dude.

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:06 am

In post 646, Five Candles wrote:What you did is what scum do to distance from each other.

This is especially stupid
What is the goal of distancing? To push someone you know is scum and avoid associations with them.
What is the goal of Merlin? To push someone you know is scum and avoid associations with them.

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:07 am

So ofc it's gonna look like distancing
Because an aggressive push is going to give it away
I know my "slip" was scummy so I can forgive you SRing me on that. But it's really dumb that you are calling me scummy for not playing a role the way you think it should be played.

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:09 am

Whatever
you've obviously made your mind up (judging by the fact you haven't asked Hiraki about anything once) and are not really listening to me so let's just end this

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:12 am

I don't want to out the other Merlins on the slight chance you change your mind
I don't think their identities would do anything to change your mind anyways

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:34 pm

I will stop being a poop if you are actually considering Hiraki. It has read to me like you haven't been.

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:35 pm

My primary question to Hiraki is why has he spent the entirety of today trying to rush a hammer on me and shut down discussion rather than allow 5C to actually think things through

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:35 pm

Another question I have is why do I kill PP instead of 5C here?

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:36 pm

And the last thing is why did he claim Merlin? Because all of his explanations for it have been nonsensical.

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:38 pm

Oh yeah and also Hiraki has been completely ignoring pretty much all play and game prior to today. His entire reasoning presented has been "obvious scum" and "he slipped". If I hadn't been a dumbass and missed part of my rolecard where would we be here?

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:39 pm

Consider that Hiraki opened day 3 voting for Galron instead of BM.

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:42 pm

In post 113, Hiraki wrote:The only reason I'm not hammering right now is that I want more reads FYI. TSE doesn't even seem to care about the votes on him.

This also looks bad in light of TSE scumflip. Why even make this post? Seems like delaying in hopes of a wagon shift.
And I could also get into his ridiculous overreaction to my push on him d1.

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:42 pm

In post 408, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 398, Galron wrote:Sheeping Hiraki.

VOTE: cakez
ehhhh…

alright plan B it is:

UNVOTE: VOTE: Midari

And whatever the hell this was

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:43 pm

he was voting Hiraki prior to that shift

Post Post #669 (isolation #136) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:52 pm

In post 555, PenguinPower wrote:It’s probably Hiraki. Cakez would have gone for the bus here...like Hiraki did.

Post Post #670 (isolation #137) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:52 pm

All you're doing is handwaving stuff away. And using the Merlin stuff as an excuse to dodge questions.

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:45 pm

In post 667, Hiraki wrote:
In post 659, SirCakez wrote:My primary question to Hiraki is why has he spent the entirety of today trying to rush a hammer on me and shut down discussion rather than allow 5C to actually think things through
I haven't rushed anything? You're the one who started the day asking for it to be done before you need to replace out? I just said I'd be annoyed - that's not rushing.

In post 660, SirCakez wrote:Another question I have is why do I kill PP instead of 5C here?
PP suspected both of us. I don't know why you keep reading his post as if it clears you for some reason.

In post 661, SirCakez wrote:And the last thing is why did he claim Merlin? Because all of his explanations for it have been nonsensical.
Already explained this but okay, sure, let's just throw in a "you don't make sense!"

In post 663, SirCakez wrote:Consider that Hiraki opened day 3 voting for Galron instead of BM.
And?

In post 664, SirCakez wrote:
In post 113, Hiraki wrote:The only reason I'm not hammering right now is that I want more reads FYI. TSE doesn't even seem to care about the votes on him.
This also looks bad in light of TSE scumflip. Why even make this post? Seems like delaying in hopes of a wagon shift.
And I could also get into his ridiculous overreaction to my push on him d1.
Been over this 100 times.

In post 665, SirCakez wrote:
In post 408, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 398, Galron wrote:Sheeping Hiraki.

VOTE: cakez
ehhhh…

alright plan B it is:

UNVOTE: VOTE: Midari
And whatever the hell this was
Saying "whatever the hell this was" is not only not informative, it just shows that you're throwing darts on the board hoping that they'll stick.

I'd consider all of these handwaving except for the PP answer

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:46 pm

BM was tunneled on me the whole time he was here because I was pushing him. Who else would he have voted?:

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:46 pm

In post 674, SirCakez wrote:I'd consider all of these handwaving except for the PP answer

And the PP answer just flat out ignored PP's last post

Post Post #679 (isolation #141) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:57 am

I declared I was going to hammer well before PP's post. You're just ignoring that he said he thought it was you. You're trying to twist the logic behind it but you can't erase what he said.

Post Post #689 (isolation #142) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:14 am

In post 682, Hiraki wrote:He's also lying for most of the last two pages but I guess the AtE is drawing you in??? Have you been reading??

Lying about what lol

In post 683, Five Candles wrote:Cakez, what did you have to reply with to confirm your Merlin PM? Didn't you have to provide your buddies names or something?

No just the word from the ruleset
I suppose I read past the other Merlins part in my role PM and just forgot...my memory is shaky about it tbh.

In post 684, Hiraki wrote:
In post 668, Hiraki wrote:
In post 663, SirCakez wrote:Consider that Hiraki opened day 3 voting for Galron instead of BM.
In fact, reading this more and more makes me think that this is SirCakez trying to dig deeper to figure out which Merlin I am. This is why I do not want to answer any questions. Not because I don't want to pin down SirCakez but that there's still a second layer of the game once SirCakez gets lynched.
He also casually dodged this without ever expanding on his question but yeah, I guess that's
handwaving
or I guess as you're now calling it
AtE

i do not get how this is a struggle at the moment, he didn't even know that Merlins knew who each other were. that is not something that a Merlin - who has to read his role PM to find out that they confirm by reading the rules which say that information already BEFORE they can confirm into the game - forgets

p-edit, thank you

I actually have been
incorrect
in my explanations. The fact that Merlins know each other is AFTER the confirmation code (see post 1) so missing it is actually MORE probable for scum that didn't care to read the rules.

How is me saying your vote on Galron instead of BM looks scummy = digging for Merlin info

Post Post #690 (isolation #143) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:14 am

In post 681, Five Candles wrote:My head is telling me to hammer Dessert Merlin, but my gut is telling me to hammer Blindfolded Merlin.

Cakez is good at AtEing...

Look at any of my recent mislynches if you want to meta this

Post Post #693 (isolation #144) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:10 am

Yeah ok
I'm curious what 5C has to say

Post Post #695 (isolation #145) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:56 am

In post 600, SirCakez wrote:
In post 598, Five Candles wrote:
In post 595, SirCakez wrote:ok let me bring up another thing now that I know 5C is town
why would I kill PP here? he was on my side.
and before you say "frame job" obviously that is not working if I were scum here.
It's not really helpful to talk about this I don't think. It gives you slight town points but that's about it.

I more want to talk about why you bothered to shade enomis at all if you weren't pushing him. If you're a Merlin and worried about looking like the Red one for pushing enomis, then why weirdly shade him instead of just not doing that and drawing suspicion?
That's why I kept him in my backburner pool of scum with some other lurker-types. I wanted it to look like he was just one of a pool of suspects I was considering. I didn't think that I could force a lynch through on him early and I had other scumspects so I didn't see the point in full-pushing him.

In post 602, SirCakez wrote:Because I knew at that point that BM would be getting lynched within the next few days regardless because of how scummy he was playing so I wanted to push on other suspects

In post 603, SirCakez wrote:
In post 495, SirCakez wrote:
In post 491, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 488, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: galron
Him and Battle Mage need death.
Why Galron first?
I don't have a preference
Hiraki voted Galron first so I figured wagon up
And this

In post 604, SirCakez wrote:My Galron SR was realllly strong

Post Post #698 (isolation #146) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:32 pm

It's why I voted Galron instead of BM
I don't believe that's your reasoning too

Post Post #715 (isolation #147) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:04 pm

POOPEE POOPEE IN MY PAAAAANTS

Post Post #723 (isolation #148) » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:16 am

Thanks 5C. I don't blame you. I tried my best.

Post Post #724 (isolation #149) » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:39 am

In post 611, SirCakez wrote:This is getting into "best play theory" at this point because I've never played in a game like this or a role like this before. So I didn't know if I should be direct or shade like I did. I decided to play it a little safer because I wasn't confident in myself to actually push the lynch through early on.

In post 621, SirCakez wrote:Sorta off topic but I hate being in LyLo situations like this in general. Either you have to spout straight bs about someone else to a third person or you have to deal with someone who is spouting that bs. It's so frustrating knowing 100% that someone is lying and not being able to do anything about it other than argue endlessly.
/End rant

In post 635, SirCakez wrote:I haven't been this frustrated with a Mafia game in a while

All of this stuff was real btw
I wasnt faking AtE

Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:25 pm

In post 725, Battle Mage wrote:Cakez - I knew you were my Merlin before I even posted in the game - your Enomis crumbs were more like loaves, and the pressure you put on me to conceal it, although a good strategy. was a little transparent at that stage.

See this is why this role was so hard
Some people I thought was too obvious and others not enough

q.q