Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!

[Untrod Tripod]

you don't suppose you could summon up this kind of energy to rustle up some scum do you?

like... legitimately what are you trying to do today?

[Blair]

i go out of my way to not say this as scum sometimes because i know it inevitably gets brought up at least once per game.

+1

Every single game, without fail, some variant of, "Only dishonest people feel the need to say they're being honest." At this point, it's almost transcended from fake scum tell to real town tell merely by virtue of it coming up so often that there is a real scum incentive to avoid saying it.

[xRECKONERx]

I KNOW THIS ISN'T ACTUALLY A TELL but more than once CLAP has started posts with "to be honest" which i still believe may be a subliminal scum thing but don't weigh that really bc it's a dumb theory im convinced to prove one day

i go out of my way to not say this as scum sometimes because i know it inevitably gets brought up at least once per game. whereas it's just a normal part of my vocabulary i wouldnt think about as town

that's not intended as a debunk to your case i just had to say it

I think your points about a lot of Puppys early game being substanceless are fair enough. I can confirm soft defending Auro doesn't make one scum by default -- it seems to be a trend among the newer players actually doesnt it

the point about puppy knowing there are 4 scum since he said "2/4 in this group are scum" seems like a stretch to me. I have been assuming there were 4 scum all game anyway. Although i didn't really consider 3p

And the swap to ABR almost looks good to me. kinda. Probably in a WIFOMy way i guess -- it seems like a bad move to do as scum, something that is so blatantly obviously going to get pointed out later in the game (even had Auro not been lynched that day). It felt like Auro was going to die eventually, going out of your way to try and save him in a really obvious manner is just terrible

I think your point about Puppy wanting everyone to know he knew VP was always town is actually a really good one. It seemed unnecessary to point out that VP is town (1331), it seemed pretty obvious by that point, he could potentially have been trying to highlight he knew it all along. I still could explain this by town!Puppy possibly not realizing we'd all be on the same page there, but it is suspicious for sure

i really do not think Puppy was trying to bait us into wasting investigatives in 1400. That just seems like a terrible idea as scum, if he'd have thought twice (which i'd think he'd do as scum), he could have easily thought better of that request. rather it feels like town making a mistake to me (since he described it as so obvious)

most of your points fall into "too scummy to be scum" so

yeah

[Morning Tweet]

ah. carry on then

you don't suppose you could summon up this kind of energy to rustle up some scum do you?

Man i wish. All i could see doing at this very moment is just unintentionally plagiarizing points on username or just calling Puppy/Kmd a PoE since i find better reasons for the rest of the players to be town

i haven't reevaluated the bottom half of the town leans though. ill make that my homework then cause thats pretty much why the list of suspects is so small

[iamausername]

I don't like it because the prescriptive nature of "oh, I guess I'm a reasonable lynch" seems.... vaguely scummy to me. I don't know, a big mea culpa where none was really warranted and no pressure was on him. assuming scumreads on yourself feels scummy to me.

on this point specifically, i listed a pool of {Blair, Morning Tweet, Can'tLynchAPuppy, iamausername} because those were the people to receive votes on D2 before Starbuck dropped her revelation. i assumed scumreads on myself because people were voting for me. seems like a reasonable assumption.

not going to spend any more time defending myself - i backed the wrong horse D1 and played pretty terribly in general, and if i take the fall for that, so be it. it will be a much more worthwhile use of my time to try to figure out the actual scum before i go.

right now, i would place Blair as the most likely candidate, but reread/isoreads are needed. will report back in some number of hours.

[Hoopla]

you play the apathetic town martyr role well. i am almost believing it.

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: CLAP

[Green Crayons]

I don't like it because the prescriptive nature of "oh, I guess I'm a reasonable lynch" seems.... vaguely scummy to me. I don't know, a big mea culpa where none was really warranted and no pressure was on him. assuming scumreads on yourself feels scummy to me.

on this point specifically, i listed a pool of {Blair, Morning Tweet, Can'tLynchAPuppy, iamausername} because those were the people to receive votes on D2 before Starbuck dropped her revelation. i assumed scumreads on myself because people were voting for me. seems like a reasonable assumption.

I don't understand how your pool matches up to UT's observation, unless if you're saying folks in that pool have been saying--because of those votes that you noted--"oh, I guess I'm a reasonably lynch"?

[VP Baltar]

not going to spend any more time defending myself - i backed the wrong horse D1 and played pretty terribly in general, and if i take the fall for that, so be it. it will be a much more worthwhile use of my time to try to figure out the actual scum before i go.

Actually went back because I thought I had missed your defense. I did not.

As a person who spent 20 pages trying to stop you and others from purging me over Auro, I think at least some defense of the case against you is warranted?

[VP Baltar]

Re: puppy case - doesn't feel super convincing to me. But I appreciate the drunk case. I assume this is what it is like to be a real detective.

Like I can maybe see some of the points, but only if I read puppy's actions in the least charitable way. Best point seems to be assumption of 4 scum and the associated scum pool. Putting one buddy in that pool would definitely be a move I'd do as scum for future town cred if flipped. But, on the flip side, 4 scum also seems like an assumption someone could just make.

GC, curious what you found the strongest points of the CLAP case to be.


Hoopla, did your revelation say 4 mafia or generally 4 people with non town goals?

[CantHateAPuppy]

(two scum in a row!)

man i knew every time i opened the thread and didn't post i'd regret leaving more work for me to make later

gotta go through and hunt down some posts. reck's case on me reads town (i only skimmed it though), gc sheeping it feels the more scum. also i like the IAAU wagon and might park my vote there, but i kind of wwant to discuss a little more before i bring that to L-1. (two scum in a row!!!)

[CantHateAPuppy]

@CLAP

, re: 1277 - Why?

i voted IAAU (may vote again) because i think he's been kinda lurk-skimming and he's been in the wrong places at the wrong times and his suspects have all ended up in my town pool.

[CantHateAPuppy]

why is there a cool kids club of people with this green blue angry rectangle face avatar

[CantHateAPuppy]

also, i have a revelation.

i've been hanging onto it because it's not super useful, and there was a part of me that suspected there would be some hidden countermeasure to punish people for revealing revelations unnecessarily.

does anyone have any reasons for or against claiming revelations?

if u htink it will help now go for it i guess

[Hoopla]

Hoopla, did your revelation say 4 mafia or generally 4 people with non town goals?

i was told there are four anti-town players in the game.

[CantHateAPuppy]

to be honest,

[Hoopla]

sorry to lay down the law

but...

cheekiness is not a substitute for content.

[CantHateAPuppy]

no, some of the posts i remembered having to respond to were just farside making busywork or reck poking at me a little

i still feel pretty good about my townreads and with two scum dead i honestly don't feel huge pressure to go around scumhunting all that hard

ill do some rereading later and then vote

[VP Baltar]

Hoopla, did your revelation say 4 mafia or generally 4 people with non town goals?

i was told there are four anti-town players in the game.

Ok, thanks. One thing that did occur to me when I was trying to reconcile that info with an apparent lack of serial killer and the large amount of people looking pretty town at this point, is the potential for a survivor.

Could be a cult as you suggested, but those always end up so swingy and unpredictable, whereas a survivor could easily skate as town and things will get very confusing if we manage to root out all the scum but the game is still going.

[Untrod Tripod]

(two scum in a row!)

man i knew every time i opened the thread and didn't post i'd regret leaving more work for me to make later

gotta go through and hunt down some posts. reck's case on me reads town (i only skimmed it though), gc sheeping it feels the more scum. also i like the IAAU wagon and might park my vote there, but i kind of wwant to discuss a little more before i bring that to L-1. (two scum in a row!!!)

I didn't like reck's case

but I really don't like this post

like Natalie Imbruglia before me, I'm torn

[Starbuck]

This is inconsistent with later posting? If you've got this 50/50 that you felt necessary to bring today (I'm fine with D2 vs. D1), why are you prodding outside of it? 1-for-1 is always a transaction that benefits town, so it feels like you should be dead-set on Porkens or Farside.

It probably is. However, I was already questioning MT's defense of both Auro and Porkens during Day 1. Like she literally took it upon herself to try and explain away Auro. Given that I scum read Porkens, the PoE doesn't look that great there. I think that if Porkens flips red, on top of Auro, that there's a high chance that MT might, as well.

AGar, given that what I brought forth is now true, why was it harmful of me to skill scumhunt or, at the very least, say where my suspicion lied outside of it yesterday?

I wasn't sure what was going to happen on the overnight, so I felt it pertinent to put down where I thought the PoE might be in case I was the NK choice.

[Hoopla]

is anyone here good at sensing auras?

i tried to ask my ouija board if cantlynchapuppy is scum, but there were too many letters.

[Starbuck]

so do you think the ABR counterwagon was all town?

I know this isn't pointed at me, but I don't think that's a safe assumption.

Starbuck + Baltar team cleaning house.

having a 50/50 on scum seemed kinda overpowered which was the only thing holding me back from just voting farside immediately, i was gonna review starbuck/farside or something idk but i was never gonna vote Pork at least

I don't really like excuses for not being on a wagon at all. You weren't on one at EOD on Day 1, nor were you on one at EOD on Day 2. I'm okay being wrong about Porkens, but at least I took a stance.

i tried to respond to VP's case as best i could yesterday. Not having scumreads is kinda normal, I didn't really townread Auro so much as wanted to defend the parts of his case that were decidedly NAI, and farside has been in my PoE past early d1 and i'd have never lynched pork before her etc etc

I gotta say

I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate this defense

Same

i've been quietly ruminating on what this mechanic actually is. is it just random setup info for a handful of players?

It's in the Game Rules. Post 1. Seriously, I don't know what's so hard about reading the rules and seeing what the mechanic is all about.

[Kmd4390]

Im reading Day 2 now and dont want to spend too much time on outdated stuff, but
-To start with the obvious, Starbuck is near confirmed town. There's almost zero chance she, as scum, fakes info to bus farside who was townread by quite a few, just to give herself in town status if successful.
-VP is pretty obvtown. Being the counter wagon to auro is big enough, but Starbuck may be right about ABR having a 50/50 as well
-I don't get the Morning Tweet suspicion. It looks like the case is simply "was wrong about Auro".
- I think my biggest scum reads up to Page 54 are Cantlynchapuppy and iamausername for a combination of my early suspicions and their Day 1 votes. Cantlynchapuppy had a weird ABR vote right before Auro was eliminated and I didn't like iamausername's VP vote.

[Hoopla]

It's in the Game Rules. Post 1. Seriously, I don't know what's so hard about reading the rules and seeing what the mechanic is all about.

mmm mmm but there is a

twist

you know.