Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!

[Hoopla]

no

also good catch bc if farside actually had a revelation that means everyone else who has one is town per the ruleset

hmm

i was under the impression you were a town drunk type of character, but some have heralded your acting chops as scum. i haven't seen it.

~~

a question for the readers:

surely reck isn't savvy enough to plant such a delicious softclaim seed there as scum, is he?

[Morning Tweet]

it

was

really tasty

[Vi]

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AGar, CantLynchAPuppy,

(Green Crayons,)

iamausername, Kmd4390,

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(10 days left)

[Untrod Tripod]

UT im lynching you tomorrow FYI

why

[Gammagooey]

no

also good catch bc if farside actually had a revelation that means everyone else who has one is town per the ruleset

hmm

i was under the impression you were a town drunk type of character, but some have heralded your acting chops as scum. i haven't seen it.

~~

a question for the readers:

surely reck isn't savvy enough to plant such a delicious softclaim seed there as scum, is he?

he is

he's also very good at either subtlety or more often not subtlety pushing wagons away from scum and onto town though when he's scum

And I have a hard time thinking he'd sit around on GC for all of day 1 as scum when a scumbuddy was in danger of being lynched the whole time

[Green Crayons]

If we have everyone with a revelation claim they have a revelation, does that help us narrow town pool?


I don’t think so but just throwing it out there in case if I’m missing something.

[Green Crayons]

i believe starbuck's specific fullclaim because reasons

don't waste an investigation there check someone else

or how about if we have a detective or something we don't out them for no reason that seems good

im going to beat UT to it because fuck UT

VOTE: farside

fyi in terms of Reck’s revelation

[Hoopla]

he is

he's also very good at either subtlety or more often not subtlety pushing wagons away from scum and onto town though when he's scum

And I have a hard time thinking he'd sit around on GC for all of day 1 as scum when a scumbuddy was in danger of being lynched the whole time

hot tip, kid

[Gammagooey]

If we have everyone with a revelation claim they have a revelation, does that help us narrow town pool?


I don’t think so but just throwing it out there in case if I’m missing something.

It depends on how many revelations are actually confirmable - presumably there's a Tarhalindur in the game b/c this is a theme Vi game and if it's scum they could easily claim something like 'I know Tarhalindur, <X> over Mafia is in the game and is a mafia <role> or something like that for a revelation.

I kinda doubt that farside was the scum with the revelation, and even if she was then another scum player could claim what it was to shield themselves too. It's p. hard to get information out of it now that we've already gotten 2 out of 4 scum, it seems like the only one revelation holder is mafia thing would be more for narrowing down scum if we got near endgame with 3-4 left and needed to make a group of probtown and group of probscum to narrow things down for immediate yeetings.

[Hoopla]

presumably there's a Tarhalindur in the game b/c this is a theme Vi game and if it's scum they could easily claim something like 'I know Tarhalindur, over Mafia is in the game and is a mafia or something like that for a revelation.

presumably? i didn't presume that!

i'm a simpleton used to the vanilla ways of the normal queue. i have no idea what goes on here. what is this 'tarhalindur' idea?

[Gammagooey]

look at Vi's modded games
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vi

Every game that isn't an open or a newbie or something else that pretty much rules out putting a single wacky role in the game has Tarhalindur, <X> over Mafia as a role, which is generally (but not always) anti-town, and doesn't quite fit the flavor/theme of the rest of the game.

[VP Baltar]

I don’t really understand your Q. Or, I should say, the motivation behind it in terms of what you’re trying to clarify.

Cases usually don’t involve silver bullets. There isn’t one single thing that I think is the deal sealer. It’s the totality of Reck’s observation of CLAP’s D1 play. And I think CLAP is on a potential bus slot for the farside wagon.

I'm trying to get you to articulate what you think the case on Puppy actually is because I don't find it that strong, so when I see someone just sheeping on to it, I want them to actually explain their position. I never said a word about a "silver bullet" or a "deal sealer." I asked you to explain, with words, what you thought the best reasons were. I'm not really sure what is so confusing there or difficult to answer.

farside opted for a similar style of revelation-softclaiming as reck earlier in the game.

though scum should be thinking about their strategy re: revelations, my intuition suggests that two scum wouldn't both soft a revelation D1.

could reck/farside both be so crafty?

I don't really find these things that similar. Farside's was under pressure, iirc. Seems like it could be something she faked, especially since she never made an actual revelation claim. Reck's seems more ahead of the curve.

If we have everyone with a revelation claim they have a revelation, does that help us narrow town pool?


I don’t think so but just throwing it out there in case if I’m missing something.

I think this only makes sense if we believe farside was the scum with info. I'm not sure I really do. Ostensibly, that info would help a scum fake claim, so if it was hers I don't see why she wouldn't have revealed it to try and stop her purge yesterday. Now, if it was her buddy's and she didn't want to outright steal it for herself, I could see the soft claim.

presumably there's a Tarhalindur in the game

good memory! I totally forgot about this aspect of Vi games.

[VP Baltar]

I can confirm I struggle really hard to scumread D1 quite a lot, you just checked a game where something very interesting happened during RVS, a player was put to L-1 and nearly hammered immediately. I've been getting better at it I suppose, but this game isn't going so well in that department for me. To be honest I kind of underestimated myself, recently I have been getting scumreads more. Here's an example if you like though

Ok, so I've looked at this game and even there it does not appear you have trouble scumhunting necessarily. You link to Post 583 as proof of your indecision.

But as early as post 144viewtopic.php?p=11810992#p11810992 you're giving reads in response to someone saying you're not scumhunting enough.

Like I can possibly believe you have struggled in the past to for scum reads, but I don't really follow that as far as to say you could go an entire first day without some kind of reads of your own and then slink onto a scum counter wagon.

[VP Baltar]

@Blair -- thoughts on MT and puppy?

[VP Baltar]

EBWOP

But as early as Post 144 you're giving reads in response to someone saying you're not scumhunting enough.

[CantHateAPuppy]

what is a tarhalindur

[VP Baltar]

what is a tarhalindur

Former MS user. Frequent bastard character in Vi games

[Starbuck]

what is a tarhalindur

He was on the site in the late 2000s/early 2010s and had some of the coolest themed and mechanic style games.

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AGar, CantLynchAPuppy, iamausername, Kmd4390

--With 13 alive, it will take 7 votes to yeet a player.
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(9 days left)

[VP Baltar]

My revelation is that Morning Tweet is actually Untrod Tripod.

You can see it in the vote count.

[Blair]

@Blair -- thoughts on MT and puppy?

Puppy I could see possibly being scum based on wagonomics but the actual points laid out against him I haven't found very persuasive.

MT I am struggling to read. I could lean scum here but I struggle to articulate why.

IAAU feels best to me.

[Untrod Tripod]

I sent Vi a PM that got read about that.

Vi: can you confirm that the votecount in 1643 is accurate?

[Vi]

I sent Vi a PM that got read about that.

Vi: can you confirm that the votecount in 1643 is accurate?

It is now.

[Green Crayons]

I'm trying to get you to articulate what you think the case on Puppy actually is because I don't find it that strong, so when I see someone just sheeping on to it, I want them to actually explain their position. I never said a word about a "silver bullet" or a "deal sealer." I asked you to explain, with words, what you thought the best reasons were. I'm not really sure what is so confusing there or difficult to answer.

Okay. Then I have answered your Q.

1672’s tldr is a pretty good reason to vote CLAP

There isn’t one single thing that I think is the deal sealer. It’s the totality of Reck’s observation of CLAP’s D1 play. And I think CLAP is on a potential bus slot for the farside wagon.

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: MT

Claim.