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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:06 am

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Vote count
(10 players alive = 6 to lynch before deadline)
(3) donkeyz12212 – SpyreX, Jebus, Lord Gurgi
(2) raider8169 – cerebus3, farside22
(1) farside22 – Cass
(1) Lord Gurgi – donkeyz12212

Not voting:
Porkens. raider8169, Septia

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Saturday 9 August 2:00 PM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)
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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:07 am

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unvote : Lord Gurgi


I am not sure that Lord Gurgi is scum Spyrex. But given the information Ihave, i have a narrow list of who I see as cleared.

I see Cass is cleared.

I see Raider cleared

I tracked Cerebus N2 so nothing happened there.

So I'm just going based off of who I cleared from my perspective.

And the reason I am being obtuse is that I don't want to claim anything because in my role it says if I claim a certain role = consequences for town. I dont even know if the mod would even say I claimed now lol.
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:57 am

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Jebus, what did you do last night?
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:58 am

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donkeyz12212 wrote:
unvote : Lord Gurgi


I am not sure that Lord Gurgi is scum Spyrex. But given the information Ihave, i have a narrow list of who I see as cleared.

I see Cass is cleared.

I see Raider cleared


I tracked Cerebus N2 so nothing happened there.


So I'm just going based off of who I cleared from my perspective.

And the reason I am being obtuse is that I don't want to claim anything because in my role it says if I claim a certain role = consequences for town. I dont even know if the mod would even say I claimed now lol.
You said you tracked me N1. Your story keeps changing.
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:15 am

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farside22 wrote:My vote will probably be on Porkens as I think its possible there that scum could have been trying to buss their partner to look town.
That's flimsy. Out of everything that is going on you're going to base your vote on simply on possible bussing?
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:16 am

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donkeyz12212 wrote: And the reason I am being obtuse is that I don't want to claim anything because in my role it says if I claim a certain role = consequences for town. I dont even know if the mod would even say I claimed now lol.
If you claim the role there are consequences. Ok. What are the consequences? Please spell them out in as much detail as possible.
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:24 am

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Donkey, can you explain why you're clearing someone because they seem like town? I'm now thinking that donkey and Porkens are scum. Especially considering when it was questioned he dropped the clearing Porkens as well as the suspicion of me. Which he was
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Let's hear something from Cass.
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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:33 am

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Lord Gurgi wrote:Donkey, can you explain why you're clearing someone because they seem like town? I'm now thinking that donkey and Porkens are scum. Especially considering when it was questioned he dropped the clearing Porkens as well as the suspicion of me. Which he was
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Let's hear something from Cass.
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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:35 am

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Porkens - I don't know what the consequences are. It's not indicated in the message that the mod sent me.

LG - I just forgot to mention Porkens in the last thing. Porkens I do feel is cleared given the vote between him and Coheed. My clearing of you is based on what farside said about investigating you. I don't know whether to believe Farside's claim is cop or not but I don't know what else to base thigns on.

Cass, I know is 100% cleared because I investigated her myself. She was suspecting me every round until this round really and I don't know why she dropped the case on me. I thought that if I used my cop ability on her and found that she is scum, then I can try to catch her in lies but since she turned up as a wolf mason, I know she is pro-town.
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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:42 am

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Wait... WHAT?

You investigated Cass and got her alignment AND role in one investigation?
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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:44 am

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Well joy.

I'm indeed a cub aka mason. An unhappy cub now :( this game is so confusing. I don't know why I wouldn't know who my own mommy is :cry: and my bestest friend is also dead :cry:

But seriously: there aren't 'a lot of power roles' really. Two she-wolves (if it's true) and a princess actually nerf the town. Also a human-sniffer when there are wolfish enemies. I would hope the scum isn't powred on to of all that...
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:48 am

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My flavor btw is that we are small and therefore the parents don't pay much attention to us and we can sneak off to talk. Not that Grimmy talked much :( (Reread my posts from yesterday and you see me hinting at that not too subtly.)

I do think there's two scumgroups tbh. There seem to be some (one-shot) BP's around (or have been), and maybe they can't cross-kill or something. The one kill per night could just be coincidence.
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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:51 am

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Cass, I've got one question for ya. But, this is a big one:

Does your PM say if your mason was confirmed town or not?

@Donkey -

All you know from Cerebus N2 is that he didn't perform the NK. From the looks of it, if its not a cult and a mixed werewolf/human mafia group, Coheed did the early NK's and didn't do last nights.

We DO have all our claims though, finally.
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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:53 am

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Cass, why are you voting for Farside still?
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:54 am

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Ok, after all of that confusion and chaos, my shot in the dark is that Septia, Cerebus and farside look worst. Not at all sure of that, just guessing. However, before all the claiming I was really starting to think Spyrex and Gurgi were scum, together. And with both of them with the dubious and unpleasant (for me ;) ) she-wolf claim, I am not ready to dismiss that possibility yet. So much wifom in considering their lynch alone...
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:54 am

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Spyrex - now that you mention it, I actually don't have the alignment.

My rolecop ability just allows me to find out a person's role I suppose? I assume it was alignment as well but what the mod sent me was

Cass - Werewolf Cub (A.k.a Mason)

So Cass can be scum as well??

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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:56 am

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You have no alignment.... What the heck...
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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:57 am

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Oh, I had quite forgotten about the vote... there was no risk of a lynch anyway. Still, until we get some conclusions:

Unvote


My PM did not confirm him, but the mod did in our quicktopic thread. So yes, we were confirmed town to eachother.

Mason scum?? Now that would be bastard modding :D
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:02 am

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@Spyrex: this is why I called your claim weird and asked for the use of it in the first place, just after you claimed. Frankly, I still don't see the use of it. But I assume you didn't consider that both masons were cubs? (Despite the role name!)
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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:15 am

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I'm confused by the princess claim. How does that fit in. I mean if the scum kill the person it skips a day, but would anyone know since we have to put in are N1 action a lynch happens.
Also Porkens I am basing my possible vote based on yesterdays votes. If you look at the votes for scum yesterday (unless there are 2 scum groups which I doubt since there has only been one death) that vote tells me either someone was bussing or both scum were in a bind.
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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:21 am

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I had never thought of that, how does the princess work anyway?
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:32 am

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Septia wrote:
Porkens wrote:Claim up people. Septia, go.
I'm the werewolf princess. After I die, day or night, the next day phase will be skipped.

Pretty horrible role tbh. :/
Here is what was said. I'm just curious about this. I mean there really isn't much of a night phase per say so this just is weird to me.
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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:33 am

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farside22 wrote:
Septia wrote:
Porkens wrote:Claim up people. Septia, go.
I'm the werewolf princess. After I die, day or night, the next day phase will be skipped.

Pretty horrible role tbh. :/
Here is what was said. I'm just curious about this. I mean there really isn't much of a night phase per say so this just is weird to me.
Should add he did say the next day phase skipped, but how does this help/ hurt. It's a bit off the wall.
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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:39 am

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Thanks farside, that princess didn't sit right with me, but you just put the finger on why. It plain doesn't fit in with how this game works and I can't see the mod putting it in. (Unless it works radically different than usual?)

For a scum, though, it seems a nice and threatening claim.

- The alpha + protector could be a scum team, but I don't think so.
- The two she-wolves could be a scum team. Their claims are so not helpful for town.
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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:48 am

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OK, so the claims are:

Cerebus: Vanilla
SpyreX: She-wolf
Raider: Alpha protector
Lord gurgi: She-wolf
porkens: Vanilla
Farside: Sniffer
Septia: Princess
donkeyz: JOAT
Jebus: JOAT
Cass: Cub-mason

Farside has investigated me and lord gurgi. We both checked out

donkeyz: tracked me and investigated Cass. He can confirm that cass is a mason.

Jebus: missed every night action (even though he was here yesterday)

Cass's claim looks believable, a mason group each with a she-wolf makes sense. For now this makes Lord gurgi, SpyreX, and Cass look town. I think it is safe to say that if one of lord gurgi and SpyreX is lying, both are lying, because it wouldn't make sense for only one cub to have a parent.

Cass, did your PM say anything about your parents?

I was expecting to see a protection role claimed. The fact that the mauled MO vanished made me think that the NK was stopped, but nobody has claimed a protection role. Assuming that the mafia did not miss their NK, either their MO changed for some reason or donkeyz is telling the truth about being bullet proof. While it is possible that the scum did forget to submit a NK, it is not likely as there are multiple scums, and the day went right up to deadline.

Donkeyz, do you know when your bullet proof is lost?

I was also expecting to see a vig, and was surprised when Jebus claimed a vig ability, yet said he didn't use it. Gimmy's death struck me as a vig kill because he wasn't acting particularly pro-town and was lurking.

Farside's claim is the biggest evidence (to me) of their being multiple scum groups. Against a werewolf mafia, her investigation ability is useless, so unless she is a total red herring, there are probably humans present.

Septia's claim is dubious to say the least. The role does not really fit in the mechanic of the game and is a really big nerf to the town. I don't think I believe it.

Jebus's claim is odd. He blames Empking for never sending in a night action, but he was here yesterday, so he should have done it himself.

If raider is scum, then donkeyz and Jebus's claims become much more dubious.

I will think about this some more later.
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