the tmeptation to hipfire in this game will be.... very strong!
and mathematically speaking, since i know only 2/8 of u r scum, if i hipfire RIGHT NOW, i have a 75% chance of exiting the gmae with town. who is to say forming reads will help or hurt that?
and even if they dont accept my trust, if i try to fall onto some1 and they do not trust me back, they are CONIRMED TOWN to me. which means, if i end up leavin with some1 else, if u see im town then that person becomes 100% conftown.
actualy this is an impotant question:
@mod can one mafia say "i trust [other mafia]" asl ong as the other mafia doesnt accept it? or can they not even go that far?"
There'll be 4 trust falls this game and scum need to be in 2 of them. I originally thought this setup was townsided when it was being designed, since you need exactly 1 scum to be last person standing, but actually, I think it's pretty fair, especially since it's easier to pocket 1 person than have everyone trust you, and that's all scum really need to win in this game.
The boring thing would be to have consensus trust falls which everyone agrees on UTRs. If we force trust falls, we also could randomly stumble into asking scum to trust fall with each other, which would out them when they refuse and can't do it.
Do we go with the boring path??? The fun path might have cookies though.
Hello everyone, so the first thing that went through my head is could we create a system where we can force scum to pair together and just see the action not resolve.
But then I realized how incredibly stupid that would be.
Although I am normally against tiered read lists since they help scum due to the nature of this game I think we should do it. It would help people make a more informed choice relative to the majority and it's easier for me to say, can we all post tiered read lists including null reads compared to me trying to emulate a vote count. I also just don't want to make anyone feel forced to play around me.
What this does is it basically stops someone from falling alongside a scum player 2 people strongly town read because as the town we only really null read said, scum player.
In post 10, Chef wrote:If we force trust falls, we also could randomly stumble into asking scum to trust fall with each other, which would out them when they refuse and can't do it.
i habd this same though t but the chance is 1/36(? i think lol math) sooooo..
Wait, no, I thought this setup was scumsided when it was being designed... not townsided. And I still think it's scumsided unless we force falls through consensus. Since that stops pocketing being as big of a deal, and opens the possibility of pairing 2 scum with each other and auto-winning.
Porkens, do I need to put the turkey head on? Am I being boring?
In post 8, Tipsy wrote:and even if they dont accept my trust, if i try to fall onto some1 and they do not trust me back, they are CONIRMED TOWN to me. which means, if i end up leavin with some1 else, if u see im town then that person becomes 100% conftown.
actualy this is an impotant question:
@mod can one mafia say "i trust [other mafia]" asl ong as the other mafia doesnt accept it? or can they not even go that far?"
I am going to be honest I'd trust fall you for this exact post, The only thing stopping me is I want to play this game for more than 2 posts.
In post 10, Chef wrote:If we force trust falls, we also could randomly stumble into asking scum to trust fall with each other, which would out them when they refuse and can't do it.
i habd this same though t but the chance is 1/36(? i think lol math) sooooo..
That chance gets better and better if we manage to trust roundhouse kick 2 or 4 town out of the game.
In post 16, Tipsy wrote:hayasaka thats well good n all but what if i want to HUPFIRE how do u feel about that plan? 75%% odds!!
Is this a balanced 50/50 setup long term or is it balanced assuming we know how to play the game? If it is 50/50 I guess you can just do it.
I think if you hipfire the other person shouldn't accept and should use conf town status to pair up with someone else. That's likely the best case scenario for us since we don't need to worry about you being scum and it's really just 75% to confirm someone as town.
I was thinking, of just testing the above theory on you. But then I realized, I don't want to be the one getting yelled at for incredibly damaging towns EV for a yolo page 1 town read.
pls dont trust me i dont wanna be conftown this erly it makes it so hard to read.
Hayasaka wrote:
In post 16, Tipsy wrote:hayasaka thats well good n all but what if i want to HUPFIRE how do u feel about that plan? 75%% odds!!
Is this a balanced 50/50 setup long term or is it balanced assuming we know how to play the game? If it is 50/50 I guess you can just do it.
I think if you hipfire the other person shouldn't accept and should use conf town status to pair up with someone else. That's likely the best case scenario for us since we don't need to worry about you being scum and it's really just 75% to confirm someone as town.
ok but consider if the answer to theabove question i asked the mod is "yes" then as scum here, i would 100% trust my partner and then tell him in secret to reject me. this was actualy how i was plannin to play this game if i was mafia bu tsince im town im just putting that plan out in the open so it cant be used on us.
This doesn't actually improve our odds of winning, it looks nice but doesn't give us any statistical advantage. Hipfiring is 75% chance, sure, but firing with reads is even better if you have faith in them.
Scum should definitely be able to post trusts to each other. I think the other just can't reciprocate. Otherwise, the game would be instantly broken by having people trust others and retract in 8 consecutive posts.
Actually on review, is this game really about pairing up with town?
To some degree isn't it more about finding a single scum player and cyber bullying them until end game? The end goal is just have either 2 scum and 1 town left over of a single scum left over.
The later we make that choice the higher odds we have of being correct.