Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!

[Vi]

~Vote Count XXXIV:

Mod Picturebox set to "Cuteposting"

Blair (R-2)

~ Green Crayons, Hoopla, CantLynchAPuppy, VP Baltar

xRECKONERx (R-5)

~ Blair

Untrod Tripod (R-5)

~ Gammagooey

Kmd4390 (R-6)

~

(xRECKONERx)

Not Roasting:

AGar, Kmd4390, Starbuck, Untrod Tripod,

(VP Baltar, Gammagooey, xRECKONERx,)

xRECKONERx

--With 11 alive, it will take 6 votes to roast a player.
--Deadline is at 21:00 on Wednesday, 22 July 2020.

(7 days left)

[CantHateAPuppy]

the only reason i don't scumread UT is for not believing my mechanic claim, when i think after 3 kills scum must be wondering what's going on and be willing to accept what i'm saying (same goes for reck, otherwise both of these players would be in my like-to-lynch category)

[Gammagooey]

the only reason i don't scumread UT is for not believing my mechanic claim, when i think after 3 kills scum must be wondering what's going on and be willing to accept what i'm saying (same goes for reck, otherwise both of these players would be in my like-to-lynch category)

most of the game thought you were being at least slightly sketch with wanting AGar's n2 track before revealing your info - he's very capable of joining other people on that and then following through with a slight scumread on you afterwards for it as scum.

[Starbuck]

Do the trackers know what they are doing tonight?

[AGar]

Do the trackers know what they are doing tonight?

Not a fucking clue at the moment.

[Untrod Tripod]

man imagine reading through this whole slog of mechanical bullshit and coming to the conclusion that the one person who you need to yeet is one of the ONLY slots who won't clear anything up by flipping as either alignment

that's a real commitment to not solving the game

[Kmd4390]

VOTE: Blair

I wanted to go back and read her actions around Farside to make sure I was not misremembering, but Blair's play this game has been atrocious. She actively avoided both the Auro and farside wagons, even when evidence piled up. It strikes me as pretty illogical play coming from a fairly illogical player. She's used self-meta to defend against this, but I don't really buy that this game is like any other game. I think everyone in this game is a really unique personality and nobody is a doormat. I think scum is struggling to run this game because the town players are just so damn town. Blair has also made several arguments against people that seem like they are not really reading the game and context closely to really assess where people are coming from (Starbuck, ABR, my claim, etc.)

The best points Blair has made all game are against Reck's info, but Reck could just be difficult..soo

Wasn't morning tweet run up for being wrong on reads too?

Do the trackers know what they are doing tonight?

Nope.

[Blair]

It strikes me as pretty illogical play coming from a fairly illogical player

#rude

[Blair]

If I'm banished today you all better make sure Puppy commits to an actual read on me first (since he's voting for me but I can't actually remember him giving a read on me ~anywhere~ in the game).

Puppy is not being a very good boi.

[Blair]

Also, I know I've been a bit disconnected this game, but I definitely get the sense I'm being gaslit right now - make sure you re-examine that post-flip.

[Blair]

If there isn't scum inside: {VP Baltar / Gammagooey} or {Green Crayons / xRECKONERx}

Then I'm at a loss.

[Blair]

Note for VP Baltar (if you're town - if not, then you already know this):

You don't get to label my play in this game atrocious based on me opposing two scum lynches unless there's an actual ~reason~ why my opposition was scummy independent of the flip.

If that were how it worked, you would be atrocious right now for misreading me.

[VP Baltar]

It strikes me as pretty illogical play coming from a fairly illogical player

#rude

TYPO. illogical play from a

logical

player

[Gammagooey]

If there isn't scum inside: {VP Baltar / Gammagooey} or {Green Crayons / xRECKONERx}

Then I'm at a loss.

why are these your groupings?

I can kind of see your reason why for VP/me since I poked at VPB a bit while still saying he's probtown but I don't see why GC/Reck would be scum together or why one of GC/Reck would be scum and not the other.

[CantHateAPuppy]

man imagine reading through this whole slog of mechanical bullshit and coming to the conclusion that the one person who you need to yeet is one of the ONLY slots who won't clear anything up by flipping as either alignment

that's a real commitment to not solving the game

i have no idea what this post means, pleas help?

[VP Baltar]

You don't get to label my play in this game atrocious based on me opposing two scum lynches unless there's an actual ~reason~ why my opposition was scummy independent of the flip.

I think I laid out a very clear case why Auro was scum D1. His play also became increasingly erratic and nonsensical as pressure mounted on him. I'd expect you to be good with yeeting that.

On Farside, it was 50/50 with Porkens...and then she claimed a BS "never gonna tell you" revelation, which you seem to think was scummy (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not saying you necessarily HAD to flip over there, but you just kind of camped on Porkens and again avoided what looked like flailing from Farside.

I'm reading you as the type of person with a highly attuned BS meter, so why would you not pick up on those things? I guess that's also what I mean by illogical play from a logical player.

I feel like I've been periodically poking you for a good amount of the game, saying "hey try harder because your play doesn't look great," and the line of 'let me get to 7 and then you'll be wow'ed' doesn't do a lot for me.

[Blair]

If there isn't scum inside: {VP Baltar / Gammagooey} or {Green Crayons / xRECKONERx}

Then I'm at a loss.

why are these your groupings?

I can kind of see your reason why for VP/me since I poked at VPB a bit while still saying he's probtown but I don't see why GC/Reck would be scum together or why one of GC/Reck would be scum and not the other.

Green Crayons is there for generally being on the outskirts of my radar all game - compounded by jumping to volunteer to track Vi. Reck, I've gone over already.

man imagine reading through this whole slog of mechanical bullshit and coming to the conclusion that the one person who you need to yeet is one of the ONLY slots who won't clear anything up by flipping as either alignment

that's a real commitment to not solving the game

i have no idea what this post means, pleas help?

Puppy, please respond to 2433.

You don't get to label my play in this game atrocious based on me opposing two scum lynches unless there's an actual ~reason~ why my opposition was scummy independent of the flip.

I think I laid out a very clear case why Auro was scum D1. His play also became increasingly erratic and nonsensical as pressure mounted on him. I'd expect you to be good with yeeting that.

On Farside, it was 50/50 with Porkens...and then she claimed a BS "never gonna tell you" revelation, which you seem to think was scummy (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not saying you necessarily HAD to flip over there, but you just kind of camped on Porkens and again avoided what looked like flailing from Farside.

I'm reading you as the type of person with a highly attuned BS meter, so why would you not pick up on those things? I guess that's also what I mean by illogical play from a logical player.

I feel like I've been periodically poking you for a good amount of the game, saying "hey try harder because your play doesn't look great," and the line of 'let me get to 7 and then you'll be wow'ed' doesn't do a lot for me.

Auro:

I was pretty openly conflicted about Auro on Day 1, and I don't think it's really fair for you to hold against me that

you

feel that

your

case on him was strong enough that I should have agreed with it. What can I say here? Of course you felt your own case was very persuasive. Will you be wagoning everyone who didn't sheep it, or just me?

Farside:

Porkens was the one who initiated the last minute counterwagon immediately before Auro was flipped. I seem to recall Starbuck, the person who presented this 1v1 to us in the first place, was also eyeing Porkens at the time? It's hardly unimaginable that a Townie wouldn't vote Farside (there were several of us).

It feels like this case sort of boils down to...

"Blair, you're better than this."

I'm flattered, but... I don't think I'm so good that it is inconceivable that I would vote for townies on Day 1 and Day 2.

[Blair]

Because I think it's useful information, of the remaining living players, 2.5 players were off-wagon for both scum lynches:

1.) Blair
2.) Kmd4390
2.5) xRECKONERx (.5 because he was almost a full-fledged member of this list but he swooped in to hammer Farside - which I feel is worth mentioning in this list, sue me)

Everyone else was involved pre-hammer in at least one of those wagons.

[Blair]

For posterity, the other (non-living) player who did not join either scum-wagon was Morning Tweet.

[Gammagooey]

If there isn't scum inside: {VP Baltar / Gammagooey} or {Green Crayons / xRECKONERx}

Then I'm at a loss.

why are these your groupings?

I can kind of see your reason why for VP/me since I poked at VPB a bit while still saying he's probtown but I don't see why GC/Reck would be scum together or why one of GC/Reck would be scum and not the other.

Green Crayons is there for generally being on the outskirts of my radar all game - compounded by jumping to volunteer to track Vi. Reck, I've gone over already.

Tell ya what, if you get roasted today then I'll be the 3rd tracker on Vi. If you could maybe take a break from responding to everything and everybody for a bit tomorrow and just read over reck's play from before this game day and say what you like and don't like about it I'd appreciate it.

I started typing up something similar to this earlier today and wound up not posting it, but Vi games aren't usually kind to town. They're generally balanced or at least fairly close to it, but they almost never let town town coast to victory for doing well early or give town a clear path to victory from figuring out the setup itself.

It feels like you're focusing almost exclusively today on figuring out the setup over figuring out who the most likely scum is from dayplay, and I think that's a mistake. I'm not convinced by you pushing for Reck's revelation making him scum, and it doesn't feel like many other people are willing to vote him solely off that, but I could be wrong about that. But if he is scum, he's been scum the whole game and his play will reflect that in other ways, even if they're subtle or superfically misleading, and I think if you're genuinely convinced that Reck's scum that putting in the effort to go over his play in detail is going to go a lot further than trying to shove people into voting him now or after your death without doing so - This is frankly one of the best playerlists I think I've ever played with in my decade on-site, and I think you might be surprised by how willing they are to listen and figure shit out with ya as long as you're willing to put in the effort to explain the details and nuances of your suspicions here.

[Blair]

(I'm not scumreading Reck based on setup spec but ok)

[Blair]

You know what?

VOTE: CantLynchAPuppy

Will not explain.

[Gammagooey]

man imagine reading through this whole slog of mechanical bullshit and coming to the conclusion that the one person who you need to yeet is one of the ONLY slots who won't clear anything up by flipping as either alignment

that's a real commitment to not solving the game

and while I'm here YOU

Who do you actually want dead today

If it's Puppy you should probably vote him unless him being confirmed as telling the truth about Vi doing the kills makes him nigh impossible to be scum in your eyes, he's got

no

one votes on him and waiting to have three trackers on Vi to confirm something that wouldn't even convince you of his alignment sure seems dumb to me

If it's not then either say what you're thinking or put in the effort to decide on who's most likely scum now that said mechanical bullshit is being taken care of

[VP Baltar]

Tell ya what, if you get roasted today then I'll be the 3rd tracker on Vi. If you could maybe take a break from responding to everything and everybody for a bit tomorrow and just read over reck's play from before this game day and say what you like and don't like about it I'd appreciate it.

I agree with this.

It also just doesn't fit for me that you are basing your reck case off this when you ignored farside's same action. If there is more to reck, explain it.

[Starbuck]

Wasn't morning tweet run up for being wrong on reads too?

She was within the PoE, for me, and I appreciate that being resolved. On top of that, chkflp had an opportunity to redeem the slot and chose to add a bunch of spam to the thread. I'm not sad about removing that element.