Grand Idea GPick [Game Over]

[Morning Tweet]

Oh, right.

VOTE: CL

I should actually make use of my vote while trying to figure out who to lynch if we can lynch twice. Thanks for reminding me.

[Ah, I missed this one. He switched his vote to hellbooks just before the VC, saying she had more momentum]

[Perhaps it's a coincidence Chateau tended to vote with the aliens and they tended to not vote him. But then I'm not sure who scum is.]

[TemporalLich]

VC 8.4

Chateau Lobby (1) - Morning Tweet [E-2]

Hayasaka (1) - Chateau Lobby [E-2]

Not voting: farside22, Hayasaka, Iconeum

With 5 alive it takes 3 to eliminate.

Day 8 will end in (expired on 2020-07-20 18:30:00) or when an elimination is reached.

[farside22]

How have I been coasting. I'll admit I was very confused during the first few days of this game and maybe my posts didn't feel. Present.

Once the numbers of alive players came down I stated to get my footing.

I don't know how to solve this game but I have been trying to sort my reads and I believe I have.

All the reasons you use to align me as scum can be used on any other slot. I guess except for Icon.

But saying I am coasting is just bad wording imo.

You voted whomever without a reason for most of the game. You basically sit there till someone votes you to make comments this included day 7 votes. Your solve is less then stealer in general overall. Confusion is a lazy excuse.

[farside22]

i was kinda hoping this game would be over with a porkens lynch...

Me too, me too.
This game has been way too long and not very fun at all given how many scum teams there were/are?
The only way TSE scum makes sense if scum had the knowledge about BM. .I need to check into that......

[farside22]

I'm just going with my gut at this point between the 2.
VOTE: Hayasaka

[Morning Tweet]

i was kinda hoping this game would be over with a porkens lynch...

Me too, me too.
This game has been way too long and not very fun at all given how many scum teams there were/are?
The only way TSE scum makes sense if scum had the knowledge about BM. .I need to check into that......

[hey at least the scumteams ate each other alive!]

I'm just going with my gut at this point between the 2.
VOTE: Hayasaka

[TSE voted BM in RVS.. twice! -> D1 ends -> BM reveals insane post restrictions (that can only be from town roles) -> TSE claims he is knowledgable townie in response to Hoctac wanting to clear people (So he opened himself up to Hoctac copping him) -> TSE locktowns BM -> TSE reveals that BM is town after some people push BM]

[TSE has consistently been against the aliens, as well as the other scumteams tbh if i recall right]

[I find it very hard to believe TSE is scum here. Unless he knew he was going to claim knowledgable BM is town the whole time all the way back in post 102.]

[I'm not sure i want to vote TSE. Unless Ico decides on TSE i suppose.]

[You can still be scum, but you really feel like you hate this game and are having no fun. It's hard to believe you're faking it.]

[Chateau like, I don't know. He could just be an alien doctor. I have no reason to believe he isn't. His reaction to my "hammer" (i thought it was a hammer myself) was fine, i guess.]

[Morning Tweet]

[I suppose TSE could be some sort of scum that knew the setup. Mafia knew the roles in the setup but they wouldn't have known BM was the lurker beginning of day 1.]

[I'll do some more searching maybe]

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: BloodMage
This is obviously from the Mage Faction!

VOTE: BattleMage
Confirmed Mage Faction!

[It feels like TSE was crumbing this knowledge of his pretty heavily. BM didn't even post D1.]

[farside22]

i was kinda hoping this game would be over with a porkens lynch...

Me too, me too.
This game has been way too long and not very fun at all given how many scum teams there were/are?
The only way TSE scum makes sense if scum had the knowledge about BM. .I need to check into that......

[hey at least the scumteams ate each other alive!]

I'm just going with my gut at this point between the 2.
VOTE: Hayasaka

[TSE voted BM in RVS.. twice! -> D1 ends -> BM reveals insane post restrictions (that can only be from town roles) -> TSE claims he is knowledgable townie in response to Hoctac wanting to clear people (So he opened himself up to Hoctac copping him) -> TSE locktowns BM -> TSE reveals that BM is town after some people push BM]

[TSE has consistently been against the aliens, as well as the other scumteams tbh if i recall right]

[I find it very hard to believe TSE is scum here. Unless he knew he was going to claim knowledgable BM is town the whole time all the way back in post 102.]

[I'm not sure i want to vote TSE. Unless Ico decides on TSE i suppose.]

[You can still be scum, but you really feel like you hate this game and are having no fun. It's hard to believe you're faking it.]

[Chateau like, I don't know. He could just be an alien doctor. I have no reason to believe he isn't. His reaction to my "hammer" (i thought it was a hammer myself) was fine, i guess.]

I really don't see voting someone as a claim of knowable crumb. But although he kept saying titus and I were scum he kept voting me instead of titus until I turned to vote her.

[farside22]

And a role that alien's could have if picked

Alien 1-shot Universal Cop

Once in the game during Night, you may investigate a player to see their true role card, including mod notes and stuff the moderator has hidden from the player. Furthermore, you will learn the exact post(s) the player's role and alignment comes from.

So I could see scum saying BM, then claiming later after seeing his role whether town or scum later.

[Morning Tweet]

And a role that alien's could have if picked

Alien 1-shot Universal Cop

Once in the game during Night, you may investigate a player to see their true role card, including mod notes and stuff the moderator has hidden from the player. Furthermore, you will learn the exact post(s) the player's role and alignment comes from.

So I could see scum saying BM, then claiming later after seeing his role whether town or scum later.

[Very possible]

[A bold move for TSE to ask Hoctac to confirm his role, though. Hoctac has incentive to guess correctly, and he has two shots per night, so there wasn't much reason not to check TSE]

So, would two people who are town like to claim to me so that I could confirm them?

Knowledgeable Townie

[And of course Hoctac was killed that night. But probably not by the aliens..]

[Iconeum]

Basically I think you have all played this game for over 1 month, so I more just want to analyze the statements you guys are making.
Point out what is misinformed and inaccurate then make the most educated guess on what you guys believe. I don't think it's my place to impose myself on this game after coming in so late.

But I do want to help town win otherwise I wouldn't be here.

This game isn't that long, considering it's 8 friggin days. You should do your homework if you wanna contribute.

[Iconeum]

i really don't like hayasaka posting

it's evasive, NAI talk about being a good townie and wanting town to win and yada yada while being friendly enough to not be scumread on the spot

[Iconeum]

tho, the uninformed part about it might be legit so it could still be town

[Iconeum]

i suppose we do farside, right?

probably a good execution because of role PoE

it's literally the only role that can actually be scum, right?

[Hayasaka]

[You can still be scum, but you really feel like you hate this game and are having no fun. It's hard to believe you're faking it.]

Does that make someone town?

I find that the opposite of that is usually true. Lot's of mafia players tend to really enjoy being town but don't have fun playing scum. While effort and post quality can still hold up through experience a tell for many people is that they just don't have fun while being scum and can't fake enjoyment and excitment.

Do you have a reason to believe the opposite applies for Farside, that she is a player who prefers scum?

[Hayasaka]

I feel like you are spelling out to me Farside is scum then argue it's a point that makes her town

[Morning Tweet]

[You can still be scum, but you really feel like you hate this game and are having no fun. It's hard to believe you're faking it.]

Does that make someone town?

I find that the opposite of that is usually true. Lot's of mafia players tend to really enjoy being town but don't have fun playing scum. While effort and post quality can still hold up through experience a tell for many people is that they just don't have fun while being scum and can't fake enjoyment and excitment.

Do you have a reason to believe the opposite applies for Farside, that she is a player who prefers scum?

[I suppose i didn't explain that very well. Check farside's entrance to this day on page 104.]

[She just seems very done with this game. She says it's because it won't fucking eeendd. That would be because we lynch scum over and over and scum dies and people don't die but the game just continues cause there are SO MANY SCUM.]

[Of course, she can be scum and fed up with the game as well for different reasons, sure. I would agree with you that many people hate playing scum. I personally loathe playing scum, sort of. but in this case I find her frustration to be at best NAI.]

[Morning Tweet]

i suppose we do farside, right?

probably a good execution because of role PoE

it's literally the only role that can actually be scum, right?

[I feel pretty convinced Chateau is a doctor of some kind. Can be both alignments. But his specific claim of "Shielder" can only be town]

[TSE/Hay claim to be the knowledgable townie. It just feels like his 2x RVS vote was a crumb to me. I can't really verify that now though. I am not sure if there is a scum role that would know on N0 that a specific player is town-aligned.]

[Farside's claim I'm sure is real. Sadly the alignment can be anything. I suppose.. I don't have a great reason to peg her as town. I'd have to check the votes or ISOs again]

[Chateau Lobby]

VOTE: BloodMage
This is obviously from the Mage Faction!

VOTE: BattleMage
Confirmed Mage Faction!

[It feels like TSE was crumbing this knowledge of his pretty heavily. BM didn't even post D1.]

I don't get how this is a crumb in our corrent situation. I mean in hindsight one could maybe put it together if TSE died and flipped town before BM died.

[Chateau Lobby]

That post by BM is so pure, it’s unreal.
Lock Town.

Well, maybe this is a better crumb that those posts.

[Chateau Lobby]

but still. TSE's play, vibe, attitude or whatever you want to call it would also fit doing this BM conftown thing as scum.

[Chateau Lobby]

town TSE/Haya means scum in Farside or MT.

Just so I can stop being paranoid before it even gets started:

Is there anyway its possible that Icon conftown could be skewed?

[Morning Tweet]

[Why would you RVS vote someone, you both say nothing for 8 hours, then you RVS vote them again with near identical reasoning?!]

[But yeah theres also that other post by TSE]

[Chateau Lobby]

[Why would you RVS vote someone, you both say nothing for 8 hours, then you RVS vote them again with near identical reasoning?!]

[But yeah theres also that other post by TSE]

Yeah, I get that but thats what I meant by that "type" of style could very well come from a scum mindset.