I would have agreed if you hadn't tried to slip in the "mislynch" part. So close, yet so far.Was no one else bothered by this line? 'Let's just hurry up and end the day with a mislynch already'. No one commented on it.
How is saying it's a mislynch an appeal to emotion? You're using the term inoccrectly, sorry. It's a mislynch because I'm town so put as such. Now would I do that as scum? Sure. As town? Of course. So how's it an appeal and how is it a tell either way?armlx wrote:I would have agreed if you hadn't tried to slip in the "mislynch" part. So close, yet so far.Was no one else bothered by this line? 'Let's just hurry up and end the day with a mislynch already'. No one commented on it.
Muerrto should know better then to run subtle appeals to emotion. This makes me want to consider voting him.
Its an appeal to emotion in that you are baselessly saying you are town, which plays off fear of a mislynch. Just saying you are town does not make it true.So how's it an appeal and how is it a tell either way?
I don't see anything terrible. The low posting is on par with the last game I played with silence.@Armlx: What do you think of Silence?
I never expected it to. But in that situation it would be a mislynch so I stated as such. I'm not seeing your point here at all.armlx wrote:Its an appeal to emotion in that you are baselessly saying you are town, which plays off fear of a mislynch. Just saying you are town does not make it true.So how's it an appeal and how is it a tell either way?
I'm not talking about lurking. I'm talking about lurking then popping in and basically saying 'why haven't we lynched him yet?' without contributing anything to the discussion or mentioning anything about what had happened in earlier posts.armlx wrote:I don't see anything terrible. The low posting is on par with the last game I played with silence.@Armlx: What do you think of Silence?
You are calling it a mislynch, which is illogical in the abstract as we have no real evidence of your alignment at the moment.I never expected it to. But in that situation it would be a mislynch so I stated as such. I'm not seeing your point here at all.
Where is silence doing that?
I'm not talking about lurking. I'm talking about lurking then popping in and basically saying 'why haven't we lynched him yet?' without contributing anything to the discussion or mentioning anything about what had happened in earlier posts.
Vamp was using BS logic or lack of logic to wagon hop. Silence is at least responding to issues at hand.@Armlx: How is what Silence is doing any different from what Vamp did?
Explain. Don't just FoS him without saying what you don't like about his post.roflcopter wrote:...
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fos: strife
You made a post that referenced a conversation from half a week ago like it just happened. If you want to propose a theory, it shouldn't require people to re-read the past 100 posts to see what you're referencing.roflcopter wrote:see the post directly prior to mine, then imagine me reading it and going *headdesk* several times before writing that post.
Are you kidding me? Did you read his post? Armlx, you play better than this, I'm starting to think rofl somehow may have been right about you. Silence popped in, mentioned nothing about any of the recent posts, and asked if we could just lynch me.armlx wrote:Where is silence doing that?
I'm not talking about lurking. I'm talking about lurking then popping in and basically saying 'why haven't we lynched him yet?' without contributing anything to the discussion or mentioning anything about what had happened in earlier posts.
silence wrote:Only way to 'defend' is to explain why we should think that you are not likely to be scum. If Vamparific's behavior looks like probable scum, of course we want to lynch him. It's not like cases are some kind of magic.
Nothing today has made me change my opinion on Muerrto. Let's just lynch him?
Um...can you quote that? As far as I can tell Vamp used NO logic. He just popped in and voted people. Where's the BS logic?armlx wrote:Vamp was using BS logic or lack of logic to wagon hop. Silence is at least responding to issues at hand.@Armlx: How is what Silence is doing any different from what Vamp did?
Before my read through, I assumed I posted more than I did. I am nearly done now. I didn't realize how little I actually posted. Probably less than 20 times, most of them barely any content. My apologies to everyone.strife220 wrote: I'm still happy with my vote where it is, but I just picked through the 'still alive' list and noticed there's quite a bit of lurking going on. Silence, Iron Man (I know, claimed mason), andOrange Penguin are all very lacking on any contribution to the game thus far. Orange Penguin in particular has been truly lurking, as he's posting frequently in other games he's playing.
I see a reasoning as to why you are scummy before that, which makes the play acceptable given silence's posting level.Silence popped in, mentioned nothing about any of the recent posts, and asked if we could just lynch me.
Um...can you quote that? As far as I can tell Vamp used NO logic. He just popped in and voted people. Where's the BS logic?
Vamp wrote: i find armlx scummier for trying to take control of the game
Those qualify as attempts at logic.argh i dont want to be on rofl's side
In his post, username says that the vig should kill Greasy (ting) instead of Vamp (Muerrto). In the last sentence, he sort of distances himself away, saying he is "absolutely in favour of a Vamp vidging".iamausername wrote:Wait, so it's OK for people to direct the vig to kill Vamp, but not Greasy Spot? GS/strife connection is starting to look as significant as Korts/SC.strife220 wrote:This post is scummy because:iamausername wrote:Greasy Spot would make an excellent vig kill.
a) Trying to control the Vig's kill-choice is anti-town
b) Greasy Spot actually provided a bit of a case against AIUN
c) Like 4 people have already said Vamp would be an excellent vig
d) You suggesting otherwise is defending Vamp (see b)
By the way, I'm absolutely in favour of a Vamp vidging too, and have never said otherwise.
1) Right away, he agrees with what IAAUN saysMuerrto wrote:This is kind of disjointed because it's as I read it:
Wow. Roflcopter...WTF. Armlx didn't fish for your role and claiming IM is town on page 1? I'll tell you when you're older? Geez dude drop the arrogance. Anyone who claims they found scum on page 1 is scum. I'll see if that opinion changes as we go along.
Armlx asking why Rofl thought IM was town isn't demanding an investigation result! It's asking how the hell you get a town read on someone on page 1. Korts joins the club with Rofl for post #35.
BOLDED PART #1
Iamusername comes in and smacks down Kort AND Rofl, townie points and 100% correct post.
Again rofl with crap logic. The only reson they ask why is X obv town means they're asking if you're a power role??? What the...NO the reason they ask is because they wanna know why the hell you'd claim someone obv town on page 1. It was such a god awful post he wanted to know how much crack you smoked before the game.
I don't like Rofl so far but Blak adding to him without content is bad.
I get what Lowell's going for with the masons but the logic's off. Sorry but Armlx's next post is dead on as to why.
And lo and behold Rofl claims mason, I'm quite okay with testing that myself at this point but we'll see how that changes. What a horribly bad claim.
Rofl goes off on Stranger unvoting even though IM confirming him means jack and squat since they could both be scum and Rofl is nowhere near a lynch at this time.
Um..Armlx didn't rolefish you, you came out in your very first post and said 'My mason partner is obv town' with no reason behind it. If you ARE a mason I feel sorry for IM.
Mason or not I already don't like you, personally. You step in and basically say 'We're lynching who I want so suck it up or you're next' How the hell is that A. pro-town or B. encouraging enjoyment of the game.roflcopter wrote:so i repeat, please stop being retarded and unvote before you get yourself lynched in armlx's place.
Stranger votes Lowell for 'rolefishing' but he didn't fish it from anyone in particular and he stated his reasons that while flawed make some sense. Don't like Stranger doing this especially right after Forbid mentions it.
Blak unvotes when called out on his vote but still gives no reason for giving it in the first place.
Ok, Mason or not, Roflcopter's ego is insanely annoying. Do you read your own posts? You're also willing to quickly jump on anyone who jumped on you BEFORE your claim. Townies can't vote for someone who claims someone's obv town on page 1? Never seen a mason claim that early, wow. So bad.
Did I miss somewhere that said the masons in this game get an investigation? Whether they're claimed masons or not means jack. It means they're not LYING in their posts. It doesn't mean they're automatically RIGHT. The whole town is taking Rofl's word for gospel. How does he have more info than you do? Bad plays all around.
QFT. I can't believe he did. And I'm notorious for claiming early.armlx wrote:In that case, he is just dumb for listening to Lowell.he claimed because Lowell asked the masons to claim and he happened to be one.
Um..Greasy, how does outing the Masons provide cover for the other roles? With the masons(glorified townies that can talk at night, by your own words) outed, the scum have that much higher chance of hitting a power role. Why would the scum kill the masons?
Don't like Blak's post again. Massively lurking and contributing nothing.
Forbid: Claiming vanilla helps the scum period. Townies don't(or shouldn't) lie about their role, period. So now the scum has 1 less target after losing 2 masons. Great shot at hitting some power roles. It is most definitely anti-town. Not scummy, anti-town.
OK, so IAUN tackled that one and Forbid responded in the correct way. His votes should be dropping off now from the large town tell.
Dear god how horrible a player is Vamp(me). Does he plan on contributing?
Hate Lowell's strat for the masons but like how he calls Korts and Forbid town. I'm getting the same thing so far after Forbid's last post especially. Kind of mid ground on Korts.
Stranger OMGUS's Forbid after he's shown some good town tells. He was also voting Lowell before he did it. Not liking Stranger.
Jesus Vamp comes in and just unvotes?
I can't tell if Greasy is legitimately upset or obv scum. Too stupid to be a townie? You're kidding.
Well, since I'm town I greatly dislike the rapid wagon forming on me. Especially Stranger's and IM's but sadly it seems IM always plays like this, contributing little and popping in for a vote. And since he's a 'mason' it looks worse on Stranger. Although Vamp is playing horribly.
Blak comes in, puts in no content at all and hypocritically FoS's Vamp and offers to vote him later when the town's okay with it.
Kort didn't rolefish. Armlx screwed up and confirmed he couldn't NOT be the vig because he likes killing night 0 and Kort read it wrong and said he confirmed he's NOT the vig. Not only was Kort wrong but he simply confirmed what he thought Armlx had already said. Bad to point it out? Yes. Scummy? No, if he was scum he could PM his buddies tonight and kill Armlx then if he thought he was the vig. Since he didn't push his lynch or anything, why would that make him scummy?
Case in point.Korts wrote:FL, I never assume stupid scum, and when I see someone doing something blatantly anti-town, I can't help but call them out for stupidity. Also, I realize now that I completely misinterpreted armlx's post, so he hasn't, in fact, tacit claimed non-vig.
BOLDED PART #2but Kort never rolefished. He confirmed what Armlx had already said(wrong but till). Pretend Armlx HAD been against a night 0 kill. Then HE'S the own who accidently claimed non-vig. Kort reapeating it was stupid, not rolefishing, and not scummy(as stated above about him being able to PM and all).
IAUN: I have no scum read on you whatsoever
Ok, I don't like Rofl's ego but I HAD to quote this post:
The rest of the post about Blak possibly slipping comments to his scum buddies is off because as I've stated many times, SCUM CAN PM!!! Why'd he mention it during the day for the town instead of waiting for night to PM? Do I still think he's scummy? Of course. But not for this.roflcopter wrote:in re: the vig fishing, it was not a smart comment, but it was not something i see as rolefishing.
Stranger leaps onto Blak off Vamp when his wagon starts to die off. Anyone seen how many wagons Stranger's been on? Geez.
'I don't want to be replaced'??? Are you TEN? Jesus what have I got to work with here?
@Forbid: You see Vamp as scum at this point or a bad player? Don't lynch a bad player just because they don't contribute. Lynch scum.
More town points for Kort. How is he still the lynch, Armlx? He never rolefished, you should know better than that. He stupidly spouted out info the scum didn't need but that doesn't make him scummy. See Ting in our last game, the Xxyzz one. He wasn't scum but he certainly told the scum exactly what to do in each situation. Everyone chewed him out for it but he wasn't lynched for it because he wasn't scum.Korts wrote:@fl: policy lynches (lynching Vamp because he's not likely to play insightfully) are bad for town, because policy lynching draws attention away from scumhunting, while also declaring the necessity for someone to die regardless of alignment. This does not lead to winning. I'm explaining this nicely to you because you seem fresh.
@Forbid: How was Vamp scummy? He was a bad player? He voted for wagons? But how is adding 1 vote to a random wagon going to lynch someone? He never pushed anyone's lynch, he never even gave content. He was simply a bad player. And I'm quite glad he was replaced.
Um...Korts, Rofl has been setting up day 2 and 3 lynches all game. Even suggesting Vig/SK kills. So if he's doing it as town, why does that make Armlx scum?
Stranger jumps on Armlx wagon. Is anyone keeping count how many wagons he's jumped any more?
I like the Vig directing actually but I'd like it on IM because:
A. He's lurking as bad as Vamp and not contributing anything.
B. I wanna test the masons.
One dead mason instead of the Vig possibly accidently hitting a power role randomly is a good trade and if they ARE pulling a risky as hell scum gambit, we'll know then. Saying wait till LYLO is all well and good but what if they ARE scum and we get to LYLO? Do we kill a mason to test then? When it'll cost us the game? I think not.
This way we don't waste our lynch on them though since the chance is slim they're scum.
Silence pops up, promises a post, disappears...I really hate lurkers. Not saying he's scum. Saying I hate lurkers on a personal level.
iamausername wrote:Point b) is total crap, since Greasy Spot has never presented any case against me besides "too stupid to be a townie", which is in fact not a case at all.
Point c/d) is also crap, because as I said, I'm in favour of a Vamp vig as well.
Point a) is also wrong, for the record.
Also, "trying to undermine the majority" is not a scum tell. Anything else?BOLDED PART #3The case at this point is extremely weak and being run by the person who voted him because he's 'too stupid to be a townie' which I called him out for earlier in my post. This wagon is bad.
He's my new hero.
Um..Stranger wants Lowell to explain his claim of tunnel vision by GS? Are you joking? He's been tunnelling IAUN all game![/b]
I dislike everyone saying directing the Vig or talking about the Vig etc is pointless and wrong and scummy. As I stated earlier, using the Vig to test the masons is pretty much the only way we can be sure they won't both be there in LYLO. Does it have to be tonight? No. But if the Vig dies we'll have to waste a lynch on a mason eventually, and I'd much rather waste a Vig kill than a lynch. If someone can explain to me in great detail why this plan is bad, please do so.
Stranger looks worse with his FoS to Lowell for something that has nothing to do with him being scum or not.
Blak jumps on Stranger when the momentum starts getting stronger. Bussing? I hope so because I still think Stranger's scummier than hell.
AYYYY! It's the Fonz!
Seriously OMG IM comes in says he has nothing for us, doesn't want to be replaced(in case his replacement misses they claimed masons? a stretch but Rofl has been saying his 'untouchable' 'confirmed townie' thing ad nauseam) and leaves. Perfect Vig test, period. WTF.
Stranger's the Vig? Hm...Well obviously the Vig isn't going to counter claim him. And we can't lynch him. But do I buy it? Hell no.
But in better news, the Vig can kill Stranger tonight if he's lying.
More townie points for Armlx. Where is his wagon coming from?armlx wrote:That said, if SC is lying, there is no reason to counter claim or lynch her. Real vig just NK's.
In summary. Lynch Blak, Vig Iron. Directing the vig is NOT scummy. Vamp was a GOD AWFUL player. Testing the masons is 100% necessary before LYLO. Vig obv kills Stranger if he's lying.
Good day 1 so far, needs to end though. Not seeing the case on Korts per my post. How does everyone not have Blak on your list of scum?
Vote: Blak
Even though it's not necessarily scummy in some circumstances, vigging the mason seems pretty anti-town thing to suggest.Muerrto wrote:And when the vig dies we either:armlx wrote:Where is this coming from? Vig claimed mason N1 seems poor.Vig Iron.
A. lose a lynch to test them
B. don't test them and hope
Sorry. I don't like either of those. It's a good a use of the Vig as any and it saves us from the 2 above choices.
Also, could you comment on the rest of the post? You too IAUN.
In this post, IAAUN defends Muerrto, but does it in a way that shows he doesn't agree with him. Distancing?iamausername wrote:Muerrto wasn't suggesting that weSun Tzu wrote:However, the idea of lynching a mason to test them is retarded.lynchthe masons, but that we get our vig to kill them. Not that that's a whole lot better.
However, I don't think his suggestion is scummy for the same reasons I didn't think Lowell wanting masons to claim immediately was scummy. Dumb, not scum.
Masons are townies who can PM,Muerrto wrote:Why? Masons are simply townies who can PM. If I was mafia OR an SK there's no way I'd waste my kill on a mason instead of hunting a power role.and will never be lynched after claiming. That's far more significant than being able to PM.
Also, SK is inv-immune, so he has no need to hunt cops. One doc is already dead. Vig has claimed. So, at the most, he's got one doctor to worry about hunting. I'm pretty sure he'll be taking out a claimed mason soon enough.
I'm honestly not seeing a lot of this, most people have been either ignoring or disagreeing with his "WE ARE LYNCHING THESE PEOPLE" posts.Muerrto wrote:The whole town is taking Rofl's word for gospel.
Yes, if armlx had said what Korts thought he said, it would have been dumb. Korts still would have been rolefishing, because the way armlx (and possibly others) reacted to Korts pointing out armlx's apparent mistake could give more clues about the identity of the vig. I mean, I can see townKorts saying it without thinking, but itMuerrto wrote:IAUN: I have no scum read on you whatsoever but Kort never rolefished. He confirmed what Armlx had already said(wrong but till). Pretend Armlx HAD been against a night 0 kill. Then HE'S the own who accidently claimed non-vig. Kort reapeating it was stupid, not rolefishing, and not scummy(as stated above about him being able to PM and all).wasrolefishing.
After a reread,Unvote, Vote: BlakAdder. He's been mostly lurking, popping in from time to time to make a poorly or not at all reasoned vote on a popular wagon (roflcopter here, StrangerCoug here), or a post that has no actual game relevance (asking for a votecount, telling everyone else to post more, etc.).
Also, re forbiddenlight's wall o' text post:
Pretty much freely admitting that he's just going to go along with someone else's reasoning, plus some total buddying up to fl. Also, this "more game-related post" doesn't appear to have ever materialised.BlakAdder wrote:EBWOP: Finally breached the massive wall of text. Great job there, Forbiddan. This just made scumhunting loads easier.
In regards to the content itself, you did a good job of keeping neutral, not painting anyone in a good or negative light.
I'll have finished going over my own notes in a minute, and I'll have a more game-related post.
Also think this:
is a scumtell in much the same way as the classic 'congratulating the doc'/'moaning about how bad the previous night was' tells are.BlakAdder wrote:Crap, what is that, four claims on Day one, now?
His desparation to distance himself from TinVision here is likely significant too.
While I don't find the mason viggingMuerrto wrote:Scum Muerrto: Wait, people don't like the idea of testing the mason's? Ok, I'll back down and fit in and listen to the town.
Town Muerrto: You're all wrong, period. If they live till LYLO and cause us a loss it's on all of your heads and I'll be sure to say I told you so.
Hence:
Anyone voting or even CONSIDERING voting me for that is scummy and looking to start a wagon(except Rofl apparently according to everyone else and maybe he's just playing poorly like the first 20 pages, he seems to leap around alot on who he thinks is scum).Muerrto wrote:As for the masons, having a different opinion isn't scummy. If we don't test the masons, we'll regret it later, all I'm going to say about that since I'm in the minority. But I will be sure to say I told you so when it comes up.
@Armlx: This is completely in character for me. I don't give a crap what everyone else thinks, I know I'm right and if they're scum and win because of it then it's gonna suck.
@Rofl: You're right, I can't stand you just from reading your posts. BUT, you're contributing and your partner(be it mason or scum) isn't, period.
There's 4 scum. Anyone who thinks the mason plan isn't sheer genius on the part of the scum is the one's who retarded. You can look at how the whole town immediately cleared them both to see that.
Greasy suddenly dropping his constant vote on iamausername was quite odd, considering how hard he was pushing it. Even if it was a while since his last vote, he was pretty persistant. IF he and username were distancing though, that would pretty much clear the other if the other ended up dead. ting though hasn't been really suspicious though, but I am gonnaGreasy Spot wrote:Well obviously it seems like no one else holds the same feelings about iamausername as I do so my single vote won't do much good.
Which question was that?