Silent Star 1: Lunacy

[Morning Tweet]

VT - (Dunn)
VT - Cop
VT - VT

Bodyguard - Mafioso
Even Watcher - Mafioso
VT - Mafia Universal Backup

Lone VT (Negative utility)

-Mafia starts out knowing the identity of the wolf bodyguard and wolf even-night watcher. They will know who the BG and watcher are targetting and can adjust accordingly
-Mafia has a universal backup, essentially letting them choose which power role they want via NK or lynches
-Mafia gets a more or less free lynch D1 since everyone thinks they're scum
-Mafia is falsely mod-confirmed to be allied with their hood mate, making it really hard to tell what we're even looking for (had the Cop not got that lucky guilty)

Actually, if this is the setup, it makes sense that mafia doesn't get any more power. This is a lot.

They know who both the protectives are and who the protectives are targeting!

[Clover Ebi]

I should just keep a counter and tally marks on the number of times people misinterpret the things I say. I've never been frustrated at anyone this game but myself. It's very hard to upset me given this is a game of mafia meant for fun.

I'm all for teamwork and taking a step back if I'm tunneling on a read. But I'm not tunneling, I'm asking for reasons in the thread and I haven't been shown any. Considering the nature of neighborhoods it's hard to just 2 players locking each other as town given that's how scum neighborhoods and this game especially should work. Maybe if the environment was different or if this was a normal game I'd be-no I know for a fact I'd probably be a lot more relaxed with just trusting people. But I don't think there's a problem with me bringing awareness to the topic at hand.

Do you see me trying to hard drive a skitter lynch right now? I'm not, because people I townread say Skitter is town and even though they haven't given me reasons for it I will trust it for now. But I don't think there's a problem with me making my worries known.

[Morning Tweet]

VT - (Dunn)
VT - Cop
VT - VT

Bodyguard - Mafioso
Even Watcher - Mafioso
VT - Mafia Universal Backup

Lone VT (Negative utility)

-Mafia starts out knowing the identity of the wolf bodyguard and wolf even-night watcher. They will know who the BG and watcher are targetting and can adjust accordingly
-Mafia has a universal backup, essentially letting them choose which power role they want via NK or lynches
-Mafia gets a more or less free lynch D1 since everyone thinks they're scum
-Mafia is falsely mod-confirmed to be allied with their hood mate, making it really hard to tell what we're even looking for (had the Cop not got that lucky guilty)

Actually, if this is the setup, it makes sense that mafia doesn't get any more power. This is a lot.

They know who both the protectives are and who the protectives are targeting!

Would follow the cop be an issue in this setup? Sort of. Mafia know the identity of the only player who can stop them (the bodyguard). They also could in theory dodge the watcher because they'd know it only works on even nights.

But in a mass claim scenario you'd still have to kill through the Watcher and BG before getting to the Cop, which doesn't seem fair. A roleblocker would assist mafia a lot, beeboy is right. But also Dru claimed to be a backup immediately to Clover from what I'm gathering. I don't know, hm...

[beeboy]

Dunn immediately claimed a PR to me.
Then we have to start looking at me, Clover, Skitter if that is clearing.

I think they wanted to fake claim, picked a safe bet as Uni backup rarely interferes with other roles outside other back ups.

[beeboy]

The whole intimidate thing loses value when you literally have to do it that fast in order to be able to do it.
Scum likely knew they had to hide among PRs to some degree given all town PRs are claiming to someone instantly.

[Raven Branwen]

So Raven it's not that I choose to not trust you.
I haven't pushed Skitter the entire game for a reason.

It's just like, I just don't see scum Clover or scum MT world literally ever.

Only way I would even ever entertain MT scum is if I was in a 3 person ELO with Skitter and MT, which is impossible anyway. MT is super obvious town, 100% agreed and if it weren’t for the PT, I’d have her above Skitter but I do have the PT with Skitter, so yes, I am 100% certain on her town.

You say Dunn is a pr, why do you think - assuming Dru flips town - there was a nokill, because that’s why I don’t think it’s Dunn but yeah, he is near the bottom of my readslist but prs usually have NAs right? so that’s why I don’t think it’s likely Dunn., unless you’re not buying his pr claim?

[Raven Branwen]

Could be 4 mafia though. Would that be fair? 3x mafioso + 1x universal backup, plus two of the mafiosos are spies.

Hm no. Maybe 3 mafia, 2x mafioso 1x universal backup. All three are spies.

VT - (Dunn)
VT - Cop
VT - VT

Bodyguard - Mafioso
Even Watcher - Mafioso
VT - Mafia Universal Backup

Lone VT (Negative utility)

Bee says Dunn claimed pr,

[Clover Ebi]

Has Dunn's Pr been proven/can it be proven?

[beeboy]

To mess with town, scum have near full info outside Dunn.
You can no kill stick us in evens, create chaos, then move on.

Since it's not like town gains lynches by doing that.
I don't their is a better explanation then that, given the other one is Chara opted to game throw by killing into the watcher?

[beeboy]

Has Dunn's Pr been proven/can it be proven?

Realistically no.

[Raven Branwen]

VT - (Dunn)
VT - Cop
VT - VT

Bodyguard - Mafioso
Even Watcher - Mafioso
VT - Mafia Universal Backup

Lone VT (Negative utility)

-Mafia starts out knowing the identity of the wolf bodyguard and wolf even-night watcher. They will know who the BG and watcher are targetting and can adjust accordingly
-Mafia has a universal backup, essentially letting them choose which power role they want via NK or lynches
-Mafia gets a more or less free lynch D1 since everyone thinks they're scum
-Mafia is falsely mod-confirmed to be allied with their hood mate, making it really hard to tell what we're even looking for (had the Cop not got that lucky guilty)

Actually, if this is the setup, it makes sense that mafia doesn't get any more power. This is a lot.

They know who both the protectives are and who the protectives are targeting!

Tux was deathtunnelling Lillith before he suddenly did this weird 180 on her and then he went after Star hard. I don’t recall his Kanna read though.

[beeboy]

But the game also collapses on him if he is scum and uses a NA each night, he literally had to kill me and change his claim in order to win.
And that just isn't happening.

[Raven Branwen]

I should just keep a counter and tally marks on the number of times people misinterpret the things I say. I've never been frustrated at anyone this game but myself. It's very hard to upset me given this is a game of mafia meant for fun.

I'm all for teamwork and taking a step back if I'm tunneling on a read. But I'm not tunneling, I'm asking for reasons in the thread and I haven't been shown any. Considering the nature of neighborhoods it's hard to just 2 players locking each other as town given that's how scum neighborhoods and this game especially should work. Maybe if the environment was different or if this was a normal game I'd be-no I know for a fact I'd probably be a lot more relaxed with just trusting people. But I don't think there's a problem with me bringing awareness to the topic at hand.

Do you see me trying to hard drive a skitter lynch right now? I'm not, because people I townread say Skitter is town and even though they haven't given me reasons for it I will trust it for now. But I don't think there's a problem with me making my worries known.

No and I’m really glad you unvoted her. I will just say this, our PT is probably somewhat atypical of what is my best guess happened in the others and the atypical part of it, is at least part of my reasons for locktowning her.

[Raven Branwen]

But the game also collapses on him if he is scum and uses a NA each night, he literally had to kill me and change his claim in order to win.
And that just isn't happening.

Who is this in reference to? Dunn?

[Clover Ebi]

I think seeing whatever is in that pt will be what I look forward to the most.

Also Imo I should be meta cleared thanks

[Morning Tweet]

It's possible that Tux was a lone mafioso and Nahdia was paired with one of the two wolves. Idk in any case I think that scum did have a lot of stuff that could have gone well for them, im pretty sure they knew the identity of at least one PR (probably Lilith) and the werewolf flavour via being a spy

As long as Raven is town, skitts should be. Midway is town. Beeboy is town, which suggests that Dunn is either a townie or is going to be cornered. Clover I don't really read as scum, he seems town to me, but he is somewhat left on the outside. And then there's just Dru who is both a power role and on the outside

I don't really believe in the extra scumteam theory too much and could reasonably see a scum!Dru try to get raven/skitts or beeboy/dunn exiles by no-killing and pushing that theory.

Unless I've fucked up down the line on Raven/Skitts or Beeboy i think we'll be fine

[Raven Branwen]

I think seeing whatever is in that pt will be what I look forward to the most.

Also Imo I should be meta cleared thanks

That might not happen, because we might not ever release it. Make of that what you will.

[Clover Ebi]

If Tux was lone mafia wouldn't that point to midway?

[Raven Branwen]

It's possible that Tux was a lone mafioso and Nahdia was paired with one of the two wolves. Idk in any case I think that scum did have a lot of stuff that could have gone well for them, im pretty sure they knew the identity of at least one PR (probably Lilith) and the werewolf flavour via being a spy

As long as Raven is town, skitts should be. Midway is town. Beeboy is town, which suggests that Dunn is either a townie or is going to be cornered. Clover I don't really read as scum, he seems town to me, but he is somewhat left on the outside. And then there's just Dru who is both a power role and on the outside

I don't really believe in the extra scumteam theory too much and could reasonably see a scum!Dru try to get raven/skitts or beeboy/dunn exiles by no-killing and pushing that theory.

Unless I've fucked up down the line on Raven/Skitts or Beeboy i think we'll be fine

Yeah, I’m pretty much mindmelding with you on this.

[Morning Tweet]

If Tux was lone mafia wouldn't that point to midway?

I could see a lone mafia and a lone VT. Midway wouldnt

have

to be paired with one of the dead

[Raven Branwen]

If Tux was lone mafia wouldn't that point to midway?

Except for that @MT. I think Tux and Nahdia were extremely likely partners. Also, Hectic didn’t differentiate the two flips.

[midwaybear]

If there was a lone mafia and lone VT, there would have to be a third loner.

[beeboy]

Hey midway care to join on the Dru wagon?
We got lots of fun things here.

Cupcakes, Townies, Bats and much more!

[Morning Tweet]

If Tux was lone mafia wouldn't that point to midway?

Except for that @MT. I think Tux and Nahdia were extremely likely partners. Also, Hectic didn’t differentiate the two flips.

we were told we "forgot" how to nightkill, so i thought maybe we would remember it at some point?

someone on the mafia team had a hold of this flavour. Making me think there's a spy. That'd also explain the power discrepancy.

If there was a lone mafia and lone VT, there would have to be a third loner.

Well ya that'd be starbuck or lilith, one of the dead.

[beeboy]

Midway said he was a lone wolf in name though.
Which is inconsistent with those flips.