Smuggler's Port [Game Over]

[Iconeum]

If Moment refuses to comply then I think the correct course of action is to execute them and add Alisae to the pool.

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no

[Iconeum]

Well I am not on board with this plan. If a plan has to be forced onto people it's not a good plan. We caught scum on Day 1 because everyone felt listened to. I feel ignored and so do others.

I strongly disagree with this. For one, it's impossible to please 100% of all of you for 100% if that makes sense. I think my proposed execution (which isn't *my* proposed execution but a majority of players fy) and my proposed investigation bracket meets the requirements for a LOT of you for a big part.

It even meets some of your criteria, Titus. Maxwell is included.

[Iconeum]

Me Moment Alisae just for starters

well ehhhh, true but you are not accounting for the fact that these are the players inspected/executed

[Titus]

I'm thinking it's Umalut or NK15 with Maxwell. But we'll see.

then why are you so adamantly against the pool that *includes* maxwell?

Because I'm open to the chance I am wrong on maxwell. I'm not open to the suggestion that Datisi or Moment are scum though.

[Titus]

Well I am not on board with this plan. If a plan has to be forced onto people it's not a good plan. We caught scum on Day 1 because everyone felt listened to. I feel ignored and so do others.

I strongly disagree with this. For one, it's impossible to please 100% of all of you for 100% if that makes sense. I think my proposed execution (which isn't *my* proposed execution but a majority of players fy) and my proposed investigation bracket meets the requirements for a LOT of you for a big part.

It even meets some of your criteria, Titus. Maxwell is included.

If this was legit your standard, you would have investigated NK15 yesterday. It's not about the majority of players with you. This is the ICO show. Own up to it.

[Iconeum]

Because I'm open to the chance I am wrong on maxwell. I'm not open to the suggestion that Datisi or Moment are scum though.

and there are a bunch of other players who are paranoid about the moment/datisi bracket

i've already made it clear why my proposed plan is actually a good one, and i have not seen you to try and engage with the logic behind it

[Iconeum]

This is the ICO show

[Iconeum]

so you say it's bad because you, moment and ali are against it, with moment and ali in the hotspot

but who is for it?

[Titus]

Because I'm open to the chance I am wrong on maxwell. I'm not open to the suggestion that Datisi or Moment are scum though.

and there are a bunch of other players who are paranoid about the moment/datisi bracket

i've already made it clear why my proposed plan is actually a good one, and i have not seen you to try and engage with the logic behind it

I can't engage with something I haven't seen.

The logic is

Certain slots are paranoid.
We investigate. Why?
Certain slots are paranoid.

It's circular.

[Iconeum]

from the top of my hat

me/RR/GL/menal/username/umlaut/norwee

others probably too?

[Titus]

so you say it's bad because you, moment and ali are against it, with moment and ali in the hotspot

but who is for it?

Umlaut for starters, which is someone who I have said should have been in the hotseat since day 2. He's the counterwagon and sorting that is a HUGE bonus.

[Titus]

from the top of my hat

me/RR/GL/menal/username/umlaut/norwee

others probably too?

Right and scum lose if they get investigated in a three person pool.

Investigating a repeat investigation is safe for them. They don't have to actually scumhunt. They can ignore my VCA too or my attempts because I got shouted down.

[Iconeum]

i'm actually warming up to scum!umlaut tbf

but it's probably only together with scum!ali, so i'm still flipping ali first

and like you say, umlaut was the counterwagon to SCUM, so i'm not flipping it first - would rather do ali and investigate someone on-counterwagon which is sorting that like you ask

[Iconeum]

from the top of my hat

me/RR/GL/menal/username/umlaut/norwee

others probably too?

Right and scum lose if they get investigated in a three person pool.

Investigating a repeat investigation is safe for them. They don't have to actually scumhunt. They can ignore my VCA too or my attempts because I got shouted down.

and we lose if we accidently caught double scum in the first inspect - so by adding fresh blood (maxwell) to that pool we cover both scenarios

[Iconeum]

If this was legit your standard, you would have investigated NK15 yesterday

i think i've been clear that i have no interest in inspecting or killing NK, why do you keep pushing that?

[Titus]

If this was legit your standard, you would have investigated NK15 yesterday

i think i've been clear that i have no interest in inspecting or killing NK, why do you keep pushing that?

I'm not pushing for that anymore. It's a dead horse. With the amount of people who asked for that and you straight up ignored it, don't act like your checks are a democracy. It's solely about what you think is best. And you're flat out wrong.

[Titus]

i'm actually warming up to scum!umlaut tbf

but it's probably only together with scum!ali, so i'm still flipping ali first

and like you say, umlaut was the counterwagon to SCUM, so i'm not flipping it first - would rather do ali and investigate someone on-counterwagon which is sorting that like you ask

I'm fine with whatever investigation and lynches you want as long as they aren't datisi moment or username. Those I have as hard town that I'm never moving on.

[Iconeum]

that's food for talk post-game, but probably not suited for this time

fp'd: re this not being a democracy according to you

[Titus]

that's food for talk post-game, but probably not suited for this time

fp'd: re this not being a democracy according to you

According to reality. If it was a democracy, NK15 gets checked yesterday. Now, you use popular opinion as a shield. It still is the Ico show.

We'll talk post game but if there's a chance to derail this, I'm taking it.

[Iconeum]

i'm actually warming up to scum!umlaut tbf

but it's probably only together with scum!ali, so i'm still flipping ali first

and like you say, umlaut was the counterwagon to SCUM, so i'm not flipping it first - would rather do ali and investigate someone on-counterwagon which is sorting that like you ask

I'm fine with whatever investigation and lynches you want as long as they aren't datisi moment or username. Those I have as hard town that I'm never moving on.

it's a consensus inspect actually

moment and datisi, plus 1 new name in there
and maxwell should be fine for you, right?

[Titus]

i'm actually warming up to scum!umlaut tbf

but it's probably only together with scum!ali, so i'm still flipping ali first

and like you say, umlaut was the counterwagon to SCUM, so i'm not flipping it first - would rather do ali and investigate someone on-counterwagon which is sorting that like you ask

I'm fine with whatever investigation and lynches you want as long as they aren't datisi moment or username. Those I have as hard town that I'm never moving on.

it's a consensus inspect actually

moment and datisi, plus 1 new name in there
and maxwell should be fine for you, right?

Maxwell is fine. Datisi and Moment are not. I'm not sure how much clearer I can make that.

[Titus]

I need to take my medication and go to bed. I got a long day of bureaucratic nonsense or other work or setup designing tomorrow. I think I've said my piece anyway. I'll check in but I don't think I can stop the gamethrow here.

[GuiltyLion]

I completely fail to understand why neither Titus nor Moment can seem to grasp why reinspecting Datisi and Moment with a new candidate is a good idea.

Also Ico - I think the point Umlaut is suggesting (and I agree ftr) is that if Moment refuses to ship as we want them to today, we can't force an inspection there, which means we resort to executing. You suggested in one of your posts that you're on board with inspecting Moment but it's not clear what you suggest instead if Moment refuses to play ball.

[GuiltyLion]

I'm considering this a moral victory even if scum guess the TD. God, I hate this mechanic.

Anyway, Titus is trying to deflect from Moment being caught, no one respond to her fishing anymore.

Oh shut up scum.

Like why post this and then argue against inspecting a pool with maxwell in it?!?!?! If you're convinced maxwell is scum then the plan works. If you're not convinced maxwell is scum then why talk to him like this? Do you all usually talk to your nullreads this way?

[GuiltyLion]

Idk I guess she said she was drinking but mehhh

Anyone resisting a pool makes me wanna go for that pool especially hard. I also don't see how she thinks Umlaut makes sense with notscience