Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!

[VP Baltar]

Can confirm Vi targeted Agar last night.

Just a heads up to you all that because of what's going on in Portland right now, my play is going to be severely limited. I haven't done any rereading overnight. I will do my best to participate because replacing out at this point is a burden, and I can reasonably still read along and contribute as time allows. You will likely see a downtick in my posting though, so heads up.

Gamewise, I think UT/reck makes the most sense probably. Still possible Blair went hambone super bus in a last ditch to save this game for scum, but that's a tinfoil theory at this point.

[Blair]

These posts look like a concerted effort to derail the Kmd push and some genuine (scum) righteous indignation that we weren't following the planned Puppy push:

it is blowing my fucking mind right now that anyone is saying "let's just let this army of trackers be completely useless"

it is blowing my fucking mind right now that anyone is saying "let's just let this army of trackers be completely useless"

Well yeah, I agree with that. You have to admit though, there is a potential risk, regardless of what you think puppy's alignment is.

And it's even harder if you're asking people who think he is town to just policy yeet him for *fingers crossed*

and you just not bothered at all by the behavior around the four separate installments of claiming this information?

I don't know, kmd, I think a better question would be why would town try to out all of the information roles?

I don't think CLAP thinks that they'll get yeeted. Additionally I do think that they were genuinely surprised that people didn't want random nightkills. Also the fact that the information has come out piecemeal after seeing how people reacted to every previous piece of information looks extremely sketchy to me. If I'm town with that role as claimed, I claim it in my first post. If I'm scum with that role.... I might do it the way that it was done. For me, so much of the behavior around the claim screams scum to me and I'm having a really hard time shaking that fact. I know I was talking about the fact earlier in the game that town doesn't always play optimally, but sometimes people do things that benefit scum because... they're scum.

Like, regardless of their alignment do you disagree that it's a net positive for town for the trackers to be able to catch scum? What do you think the benefit is of leaving that role up?

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

I don't feel as strongly about this one as Kmd, but it makes a lot of sense to me all the same.

[xRECKONERx]

i need to reread

it's def not me tho

but the game seems pretty won regardless so

i still think im willing to call all the trackers clear at this point

[Untrod Tripod]

UT looks pretty bad on reread of yesterday. Someone tell me why the solve isn't just UT?

so you're just going to ignore that kmd was pushing me when it looked like it was going to be either me or someone else?

anyway it doesn't really matter if you yeet me today because I'm a VT so go for it?

it's also AWFULLY CONVENIENT that the RaNdoM sCuM KiLL was on a pretty much 100% agreed upon town player

the issue I had was never that the mod slot was committing the kills, but that they're randomly determined. I feel like I'm saying this into a void because everyone just keeps fucking ignoring it

[Blair]

so you're just going to ignore that kmd was pushing me when it looked like it was going to be either me or someone else?

Lay it out for me. Show which posts in that interaction can't be SvS and why. I'm reasonable.

[Untrod Tripod]

the burden of proof is on the person making the claim

[AGar]

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Blair]

the burden of proof is on the person making the claim

Correct. I claimed your posts yesterday were suspicious, I provided evidence and a supporting theory.

You claimed your interactions with Kmd earlier in the game were town indicative for you. The burden is yours to support that claim with evidence.

[Starbuck]

I effing knew it was KMD after that awful case on me Day 1. That hammer FELT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.



RIP AGar, you will be avenged.

Reck/UT/Hoopla

you've left out blair

+1

Can confirm Vi targeted Agar last night.

Just a heads up to you all that because of what's going on in Portland right now, my play is going to be severely limited. I haven't done any rereading overnight. I will do my best to participate because replacing out at this point is a burden, and I can reasonably still read along and contribute as time allows. You will likely see a downtick in my posting though, so heads up.

Gamewise, I think UT/reck makes the most sense probably. Still possible Blair went hambone super bus in a last ditch to save this game for scum, but that's a tinfoil theory at this point.

Please be safe.

I also share your tinfoil hat theory. I'm going to do some re-reading and lay my thoughts out a bit better.

it's also AWFULLY CONVENIENT that the RaNdoM sCuM KiLL was on a pretty much 100% agreed upon town player

the issue I had was never that the mod slot was committing the kills, but that they're randomly determined. I feel like I'm saying this into a void because everyone just keeps fucking ignoring it

I haven't believed it was random. The kills have been too perfect to be random.

[Starbuck]

The cross tracking of each other is interesting. There's, at least, one confirmed track each night - GC confirms

KMD

N1,

Agar

confirms Gamma N2, and

KMD

confirms Gamma N3.

Agar

and

KMD

both confirm Gamma.
GC and Gamma both have IIAU as a track.

Agar

and

KMD

both have Hoopla as a track.

Agar

and GC both track Reck on the same night.

I don't believe in coincidences, but I think we need to eliminate within the trackers today.

Now in color.

[Green Crayons]

Since Kmd tracked CLAP on n1, I'm going to put CLAP into the obvtown pile.

I agree about CLAP being town but now might still be the time to yeet him - it gives two tracks tonight + 1 more the night after even assuming another tracker dies every night

It feels like the better play than just yeeting all of Reck/UT/Hoopla in some order though it probably gives the same results (of just winning the game)?

Yeeting obvtown CLAP so that <unknown change in game circumstances> is not better than not yeeting obvtown CLAP to create town block.

I'm not convinced that the change in circumstances is anything but a big wet fart in terms of helping town. You don't stick a bunch of town trackers into a game and make them all work right on the off chance some player dies on D1.

[Starbuck]

SHOT THROUGH THE HEART! and you're to blame:

3) Auro ---

Mafia Tracker

--- Sacrificed to Nollij Day 1!!!
2) Albert B. Rampage ---

Vanilla Townie

--- Rested in Rage Night 1.
6) farside22 ---

Mafia Goon

--- Sequentially Devoured by Snake Day 2!
13) Porkens ---

Vanilla Townie

--- Gave a Last Squeal Night 2.
12) chkflip

(replacing Morning Tweet D3)

---

Vanilla Townie

--- Given the Rotisserie Treatment Day 3.
9) iamausername ---

Vanilla Townie

--- theywerekilledhorribly Night 3.
10) Kmd4390 ---

Mafia Tracker

--- Sent Back to Work Day 4!!!
1) AGar ---

Town Tracker

--- Experienced Carotid Bleeding from a Hockey Skate Night 4...

4 VTs (I know I'm a VT, that makes 5)
1 Town Tracker

1 Mafia Goon
2 Mafia Trackers

There has to be more than one Goon, right? And maybe a 3rd Mafia Tracker?

[Gammagooey]

@Starbuck - remember that Hoopla's claimed revelation is that there's only 4 anti-town players total (which is again the correct amount of scum for a game this size).

I tracked Reck on the off-chance that it would make the scumkill be wacky since the n3 kill was the only one that felt possibly randomized and the tracks that night were 2 on Reck+1 on Kmd+1 on me+mine on IAAU. (Reck visited no-one last night)

I"m going to do this just b/c I think it leads to the greatest % chance of winning even if scum are playing very well
VOTE: Puppy

If you think there's likely unforseen consequences of doing that and don't want to yeet Puppy then say so - I'm not planning on fighting for it very hard. I'll be happy to re-read some stuff if people ask but my perspective on the game atm is "We probably already win so I'm going to chill and have some fun with it" instead of try-harding at this point. I'd be very surprised and impressed if scum aren't specifically in one of Reck/UT. UT was never early on any scum wagons and him jumping on the bus when it was needed to try to make sure he didn't get screwed by the scum yeets fits what I'd expect him to do as scum. Reck mostly feels fine, he just hasn't pushed on any scum except farside after the 50/50 this game and it feels like he was trying to imply that his revelation was big and important earlier in the game and now it seems really unlikely to be much of anything if it's real given what he's said recently.

[Green Crayons]

If you think there's likely unforseen consequences of doing that and don't want to yeet Puppy then say so

Yeeting obvtown CLAP so that is not better than not yeeting obvtown CLAP to create town block.

I'm not convinced that the change in circumstances is anything but a big wet fart in terms of helping town. You don't stick a bunch of town trackers into a game and make them all work right on the off chance some player dies on D1.

VOTE: UT

[xRECKONERx]

Since Kmd tracked CLAP on n1, I'm going to put CLAP into the obvtown pile.

I agree about CLAP being town but now might still be the time to yeet him - it gives two tracks tonight + 1 more the night after even assuming another tracker dies every night

It feels like the better play than just yeeting all of Reck/UT/Hoopla in some order though it probably gives the same results (of just winning the game)?

Yeeting obvtown CLAP so that <unknown change in game circumstances> is not better than not yeeting obvtown CLAP to create town block.

I'm not convinced that the change in circumstances is anything but a big wet fart in terms of helping town. You don't stick a bunch of town trackers into a game and make them all work right on the off chance some player dies on D1.

General Rules:

Ruleset stolen from Vi for that authentic old-time feeling. Note that cfj wouldn't let me out of reviews without a swing warning.

[xRECKONERx]

As the days go by I am less convinced UT is scum

[xRECKONERx]

Given my track record this means you should all be voting UT though

[Untrod Tripod]

does anyone actually believe that these kills are random? if you don't believe that, does it not concern you that the claim as stated is at least partially a lie?

vote CLAP

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: CLAP sure

[Blair]

does anyone actually believe that these kills are random? if you don't believe that, does it not concern you that the claim as stated is at least partially a lie?

vote CLAP

Which part of his claim is a lie?

His interpretation (that Vi is randomly reassigning nightkills) would be wrong, but I fail to see what part of his claim (that Vi is carrying out the kills) would be a lie.

[Blair]

does anyone actually believe that these kills are random? if you don't believe that, does it not concern you that the claim as stated is at least partially a lie?

vote CLAP

VOTE: CLAP sure

Stop voting as a bloc so I can figure out which one of you is scum, please.

[Gammagooey]

If you think there's likely unforseen consequences of doing that and don't want to yeet Puppy then say so

Yeeting obvtown CLAP so that is not better than not yeeting obvtown CLAP to create town block.

I'm not convinced that the change in circumstances is anything but a big wet fart in terms of helping town. You don't stick a bunch of town trackers into a game and make them all work right on the off chance some player dies on D1.

VOTE: UT

If you wanna make a town block then make the town block - list out the people who are absolutely town and who needs to be crushed under the cold weight of PoE, and we can talk about it and potentially just go with that instead.

[Untrod Tripod]

Which part of his claim is a lie?

1) scum make the kill
2) that kill is automatically blocked
3) vi makes a new kill instead.

it may or may not be the same target.

ambiguities:

* im not sure whether scum know this is happening. they must have figured out by now that something's up? not sure if they knew this all along or not.
* im not sure how vi is selecting the kill. i thought this was random, but my PM doesn't say that, no explanation is given, Vi could just be killing off her favorites or going in some pre-set order

for the nth time: it strains credulity to claim that these nightkills could have been assigned randomly. three of the four were on almost universally agreed-upon town players, one of whom had been virtually confirmed as town the day immediately preceding the kill. there's just no way.

my tinfoil hat theory is that CLAP's role is either an enabler who allows the factional mafia kill to go through Vi, or that role is a ninja variant that directs those kills.

[Green Crayons]

does anyone actually believe that these kills are random? if you don't believe that, does it not concern you that the claim as stated is at least partially a lie?

vote CLAP

Vi's chosen kill could be % based on whether it is original target, or a random new target. So like maybe: 100% blocked; 50% chance original target, 50% chance non-scum new target; if 50% chance non-scum new target, random.org decides.

Something along those lines would account for first two nights making sense, and third night not so much.

I don't know why we ascribed Vi's intention to the mod killings. She isn't a player.

[Blair]

From the exact same post:

ok, so it works like this:

1) scum make the kill
2) that kill is automatically blocked
3) vi makes a new kill instead. it may or may not be the same target.

ambiguities:

* im not sure whether scum know this is happening. they must have figured out by now that something's up? not sure if they knew this all along or not.
*

im not sure how vi is selecting the kill. i thought this was random, but my PM doesn't say that, no explanation is given

, Vi could just be killing off her favorites or going in some pre-set order

Puppy has been pretty clear that his revelation does not state that the kills are random, only that Vi is carrying them out.

Does that clear Puppy? No. But you're trying to strong-arm people into voting him on the false premise that his claimed revelation has been at least partially disproven, when it objectively hasn't.