Mini Normal 2153: Post-game

[Galron]

Hasn't really changed. Una, Porkens, I guess that one's new. Bella is null town as is Bob.

[Galron]

I asked you the question

Right. So why does that preclude me from asking you will is scum?

[Not_Mafia]

Hasn't really changed. Una, Porkens, I guess that one's new.

Bella is null town

as is Bob.

Yet you were pushing for someone to put her to E-1 so you could declare intent?

[Hoopla]

we really shoulda given galron a proper wagoning ages ago.

[Galron]

Yea, no immediate lolhammer-danger yet - I'm fine with this for now.

Other than Hoopla, I dunno. I think maybe RFS. I think maybe you, but both of those reads are weak.

So if I vote you now, I get to be on the scumlist?

VOTE: Galron

Why would that be? Those have been my reads for some time now.

[UnaBombaH]

There has been something about the way you post Galron that pings me.
All throughout the game.
It sort of feels like you are almost engaging in whatever is in front of you, but then you just..dont?

Like here, your first response to the idea of people wagoning you was more powerful and immediate.
It felt like you might be making a statement.
And now you've skirted answers with N_M and that feeling is completely gone IMO.

[Galron]

Hasn't really changed. Una, Porkens, I guess that one's new.

Bella is null town

as is Bob.

Yet you were pushing for someone to put her to E-1 so you could declare intent?

I think I was clear I didn't like the lynch, but I didn't want an lolhammer.

[Galron]

There has been something about the way you post Galron that pings me.
All throughout the game.
It sort of feels like you are almost engaging in whatever is in front of you, but then you just..dont?

Like here, your first response to the idea of people wagoning you was more powerful and immediate.
It felt like you might be making a statement.
And now you've skirted answers with N_M and that feeling is completely gone IMO.

You need to be more specific.

[UnaBombaH]

we really shoulda given galron a proper wagoning ages ago.

I know what we should've given you..

But you see Hoopla, I'm onto your game here.
Last day you went on gera to make others go to popopo.
It's the same here.
You jumped on Galron to make sure one of the three already existing wagons will definitely go through.
Meaning that my read on bob/bella is correct, and they are both town.

[Not_Mafia]

There has been something about the way you post Galron that pings me.
All throughout the game.
It sort of feels like you are almost engaging in whatever is in front of you, but then you just..dont?

Like here, your first response to the idea of people wagoning you was more powerful and immediate.
It felt like you might be making a statement.
And now you've skirted answers with N_M and that feeling is completely gone IMO.

This is where I'm at too, Galron reads as super cautious newb scum

[UnaBombaH]

You need to be more specific.

When describing you to you? You know what, I'll do your ISO today anyway.
I'll try and keep and eye out for these examples as well.

[Galron]

You need to be more specific.

When describing you to you? You know what, I'll do your ISO today anyway.
I'll try and keep and eye out for these examples as well.

I'm just not sure what you're driving at. So, yes, point me to it.

[Galron]

What does engaging what is in front of you but then not mean?

[Galron]

And then skirting answers with nm? I was pretty direct. I did ask him to reciprocate though.

[Hoopla]

But you see Hoopla, I'm onto your game here.
Last day you went on gera to make others go to popopo.
It's the same here.
You jumped on Galron to make sure one of the three already existing wagons will definitely go through.
Meaning that my read on bob/bella is correct, and they are both town.

i feel like half the town is reading the game from the perspective that i am scum, and basing other reads/wagon choices today off that. you & isis are especially guilty of this.

i'm in no position to throw stones because i have been abysmal for 80% of this game, but it all strikes me as lazy justifications for whatever pushes you think will fly.

"hoopla wants this, so lets do

that

" - very cheeky play if you're scum. lazy if you're town. you are allowed to think for yourself, you know.

[Galron]

And you haven't explained why you would be on my scum list for voting me.

[Galron]

And you haven't explained why you would be on my scum list for voting me.

To una.

[Galron]

But now I'd like ice cream. But it's bedtime.

[notscience]

I’m not going to lie your presence on the wagons has deterred me a bit hoops

Idk.

[UnaBombaH]

What does engaging what is in front of you but then not mean?

It could mean many things, but more than anything, there are always either half-measures in terms of following up on declared reads, or making calls about actions being scummy/towny, but then acting on them differently anyway.

@galron, your poat about the wagon feels like info, not analysis - who's jump on that wagon feels scummy/badly positioned?

Una's.

Wait a minute - based on what? You preflip associating?
I now have nasty feeling about this wagon with Galron dropping posts like this, and then joining the wagon anyway..

Something like this maybe?
Just a quick search for your name in my own ISO to give you something that has pinged me before as well.
Here you had called me out for joining that wagon, but then decided to join it yourself.
Instead of pushing for me/trying to come up with a wagon yourself etc etc.

I still think Galrons stance on this wagon / my vote on Hoopla makes little sense to me.
They are either thinking Hoopla is going to flip scum -> me joining the wagon means something OR they are thinking Hoopla is going to flip town -> me joining the wagon means something ELSE.
You can't just say my way of joining the wagon was the scummiest (or however it was phrased) without considering the implications Hooplas flip is going to give.
Or I mean, you CAN, but then you'd be arguing that no matter what Hoopla flips, I'm the bad guy here.

I don't think that's a rational way to read things.

This is regarding that same situation.

I don't mind the geraintm wagon so much, but I don't like hoopla pushing it. And it has dead weight on it.

Now

THIS

is sitting on a fence while we are really closing in on the lynch of the day.

And this is something I noticed earlier this gameday, about your positioning at the end of the D1.
D2 I started with by still townleaning you over gera, but there were some pointers here as well.

And these are all just from my own ISO, not even diving into yours.
So these are some of the things that have already pinged me throughout the game.

[UnaBombaH]

And you haven't explained why you would be on my scum list for voting me.

Oh, that was just a silly jab at you.
You named the two people voting you + RfS as your scumreads.
It sort of felt like lazy/OMGUS.

[Galron]

What does engaging what is in front of you but then not mean?

It could mean many things, but more than anything, there are always either half-measures in terms of following up on declared reads, or making calls about actions being scummy/towny, but then acting on them differently anyway.

@galron, your poat about the wagon feels like info, not analysis - who's jump on that wagon feels scummy/badly positioned?

Una's.

Wait a minute - based on what? You preflip associating?
I now have nasty feeling about this wagon with Galron dropping posts like this, and then joining the wagon anyway..

Something like this maybe?
Just a quick search for your name in my own ISO to give you something that has pinged me before as well.
Here you had called me out for joining that wagon, but then decided to join it yourself.
Instead of pushing for me/trying to come up with a wagon yourself etc etc.

I still think Galrons stance on this wagon / my vote on Hoopla makes little sense to me.
They are either thinking Hoopla is going to flip scum -> me joining the wagon means something OR they are thinking Hoopla is going to flip town -> me joining the wagon means something ELSE.
You can't just say my way of joining the wagon was the scummiest (or however it was phrased) without considering the implications Hooplas flip is going to give.
Or I mean, you CAN, but then you'd be arguing that no matter what Hoopla flips, I'm the bad guy here.

I don't think that's a rational way to read things.

This is regarding that same situation.

I don't mind the geraintm wagon so much, but I don't like hoopla pushing it. And it has dead weight on it.

Now

THIS

is sitting on a fence while we are really closing in on the lynch of the day.

And this is something I noticed earlier this gameday, about your positioning at the end of the D1.
D2 I started with by still townleaning you over gera, but there were some pointers here as well.

And these are all just from my own ISO, not even diving into yours.
So these are some of the things that have already pinged me throughout the game.

When you iso me you'll see where I said that I was okay with the vote on Hoopla, but I didn't like your positioning or something. I don't remember the exact wording.

I really don't see the problem with the second thing. I didn't at the time either. I don't think I responded to it accordingly.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Day 2's Twenty-Third Votecount

Bellaphant (3): Isis, geraintm, Porkens
Galron (3): Hoopla, Not_Mafia, UnaBombaH
Replacement for Sujimichi (2): Galron, bob3141
bob3141 (2): Replacement for Sujimichi, Bellaphant
Porkens (0):
UnaBombaH (0):
Not_Mafia (0):
Isis (0):
geraintm (0):
Hoopla (0):
notscience (0):

Not Voting (1): notscience

With 11 voters, 6 votes are required to execute.

Day 2 will end without an execution in (expired on 2020-07-31 03:00:00).

[Galron]

And you haven't explained why you would be on my scum list for voting me.

Oh, that was just a silly jab at you.
You named the two people voting you + RfS as your scumreads.
It sort of felt like lazy/OMGUS.

Gotcha. Fair enough. Umm.. I feel like I should put a curse or something on you.

[Hoopla]

I’m not going to lie your presence on the wagons has deterred me a bit hoops

Idk.

would you like me to unvote for a while so you feel comfortable voting? i promise to give you first dibs of the current wagons before i tarnish any with my stank.

here;

UNVOTE: