In post 33, TemporalLich wrote:I'm starting to get frightened at how fast the Pooky wagon is getting in
RVS
Any reason besides Doctor Drew naked SRing Pooky... oh wait
26 is a scumclaim.
Somehow I feel this makes Pooky feel towny.
Alchemist's claim don't make no no sense.
This reads fake as fuck.
In post 224, TemporalLich wrote:I might post a lead rist once I have a decent idea of everyone, but I'd still put null or nullish on the majority of the slots right now (lavender strikes me as nullish, it's still early D1)
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know at some point I will do something useful.
Just popping in to not be useful, guys.
In post 689, TemporalLich wrote:Yeah, let's not quick hammer, those possibilities would allow for such weirdness to come from town
What the fuck even do? Let's not quickhammer? What? This is so LAMIST it hurts.
In post 685, TemporalLich wrote:At this point Pooky's associated with DGB so much the only thing that will get me to TR pooky is a DGB town flip.
So let's eliminate DGB
This is hot garbage. "Pooky is cozying up to DGB and acting weird, so we should lynch DGB." This isn't a town idea. A surface level town thought would be "Pooky is cozying up to DGB and acting weird, so Pooky is scum." A deep level town thought would be "Pooky is cozying up to DGB and acting weird, so I should poke Pooky to see what his reactions are." Notice how town doesn't ever think, Player A is being all weird, I should totally lynch player B for it? And if they flip town, that will totally clear the player that's acting weird! That's because that idea is fucking bonkers.
This is revisionist reasoning. TLich wanted to lynch DGB first based on Pooky before the inno on DGB became clear. It's not a real set of reasoning. It's something that sounded like it might be reasonable in the current gamestate but was clearly NOT the reasoning TLich actually had. Also, why the fuck is WK-ing town (note, a classical scumtell for some) something that you'd townread pooky for? TLich isn't a raw newbie who has never seen scum defend town, so this is clearly a pile of manure being sold as a pile of gold.
In post 745, TemporalLich wrote:ebwop: no vote
is good
right now
So I'm locked into a position of having to choose the least bad vote... in D1 where unvoting is actively scummy and voting No Elim is pretty much a scumclaim
This is entirely self serving and entirely self conscious. This post is never about finding scum. This post is about want to not appear scummy. There's a faction that has wanting to not appear scummy as their primary motivation, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is. Maybe Replicants?
In post 761, TemporalLich wrote:here's a quick lead rist, don't send me to the aether if it's wrong because I skimmed everyone's ISO for this:
TR
TL
NT
HN
NS
SL
SR
3P
[Town]
DrippingGoofball
- Has a claimed inno by Pooky, no reason to doubt said inno as of now.
Logicalicaltist
- With great pushing and town initiative this is the townie we need.
PookyTheMagicalBear
- The GIFposting reduces content but I have a feeling the informed claim is true so I am putting this at townlean level.
Almost50
- Still seems like his towny self, but I have a feeling A50 is more reserved here.
chkflip
- He's starting to look more promising as time goes on...
pisskop
- Memey but an ISO skim looked content-rich.
Iecerint
- A decently good ISO,
423 is probably a good post.
Lavender
- Not much content in the ISO but I feel a townish vibe.
Alchemist21
- Claimed townsiding 3P, I don't have a reason to doubt this.
username
- I'm not sure what impression I get from the ISO. At least it's content-rich.
Pine
- Unreadable due to lack of game-related info, defaulting to hard null (assuming V/LAishness here)
gobbledygook
- Lurker with contentless ISO,
126 is approaching info but actually isn't info
Doctor Drew
- Memey, totally not concerned with appearances. However his content looks a little scummy.
Elsa Jay
- I don't like the ISO. Sorry, but I just don't. It doesn't ping me town.
Vecna
- I really don't like the ISO, the readlist is bad in light of future info and
696 feels abrasive to me
[Scum]
VOTE: Vecna
This.... has 0 analysis. Reads 1 and 3 are literal mechreads. chkflip was uberscum, but has apparently slingshotted into the top of the readlist based on ???? The rest of this post seems to be all about ranking people entirely by how much content they've given. you could replace every single sentence describing why he feels how he does with gut and not lose any information. There is no attempt to interact with or build reads on any of the people in this list forthcoming.
In post 1793, TemporalLich wrote:A lead rist for the crazy mess that is D2:
TR
TL
NT
HN
NS
SL
SR
3P
[Town]
DrippingGoofball
- Has a claimed inno by Pooky, no reason to doubt said inno as of now. Still trying to push an Alchemist exile though.
Logicalicaltist
- Town leader, on a scummy trend D2 so take with a grain of salt.
PookyTheMagicalBear
- The GIFposting reduces content but I have a feeling the informed claim is true so I am putting this at townlean level. Hasn't posted yet in D2.
Almost50
- Still seems like his towny self, but I have a feeling A50 is more reserved here.
Galron
- Laid-back townie who contributes content to the game.
pisskop
- Memey but an ISO skim looked content-rich.
Vecna
- Starting to look very towny now.
Alchemist21
- Claimed townsiding 3P. Apparently logical got roleblocked? Alch might be fakeclaiming, but this will resolve itself D3.
Doctor Drew
- Seeing an upward trend here.
username
- I'm not sure what impression I get from the ISO. At least it's content-rich. Neutral trend here.
Bingle
- Feels like Bingle to me, yep. This isn't TRable though.
Elsa Jay
- Still as scummy as ever, might even be on a downward trend.
chkflip
- Votes with scummy intent, also D1 got stalled to heck and back despite his pushiness so I think that was planned as well.
[Scum]
First of all, lets talk about this town leader nonsense. A town leader is someone who is actively directing the thread and pushing things forward, which is... Exactly not what Logical is doing. Logical has been poking people, sure, but there has been very little attempt at organization from him and even less of an attempt to set himself up as the voice people are listening to.
There's also very little reasoning attached to any of this, other than the incredibly vague "seeing an upward trend here", so let's play a little game:
TLich, what posts at the time were showing an upward trend in your DD read? What posts from Vecna looked very towny. Where has Galron contributed content, and what about that content makes him so town?
In post 1927, TemporalLich wrote:If someone thought to be a town leader ends up being scum, they're not a town leader because they weren't town... and that's some god tier deepwolfing
This is blatant buddying of Logical. he's not giving reasons that logical should be townread, he's repeating that he's a "town leader" over and over again to defend him. Note: "Because he's town" is not a valid reason to townread someone. Now if I were TLich, I would see this weird as fuck buddying and go, huh, Tlich is being weird around Logical, I should probably vote logical. Oh, wait no, that's completely insane.
This is gross as fuck. I've been pretty open about scumreading TLich for a while, and this is a slimy attempt to deflect my vote away from him. This is a step down from literal OMGUS, and a clear failure to interact with someone in an attempt to form reads. He doesn't question, he doesn't wonder, he doesn't engage, he throws shade in a preemptive attempt to derail any push on him by accusing his pusher of attempting to throw shade.
In post 1932, TemporalLich wrote:and you have ludicrously high standards for deepwolfing... you might as well be an openwolf if you want to play the bad logic game
"Not agreeing with me about the townread I've never actually explained on the player who isn't actually universally townread is openwolfing."
In post 1954, TemporalLich wrote:chkflip has pretty much pushed every wagon D1, so chkflip is looking to lime town with votes. chkflip then goes to call my voting pattern bad when I'm trying to vote my honest scumreads, but pushing is not one of my strong suits (yeah I need to get better at pushing, not trying to look town with an "appeal to newness").
also
1921 is a bucket of setup spec and mod-WIFOM, and it's used to portray logical as
mechscum
, which is what scum wants.
So yeah I have a strong scumread on chkflip for trying to outguess the mod in a
bastard
setup and assigning a freaking
mechscum
read from it.
Oh god, this.
First of all, chk is scummy because he was attempting to push people. What? What garbage level reasoning is this? Pushing reads is scummy?
Second of all, chk is scummy because of the people he's pushed. Let's look at that list, shall we? Pooky, (TLich thought Pooky was scummy for interactions with DGB) DGB (TLich wanted to lynch DGB too), TLich (Which was what shot chk from scum to townread before the first readlist), my Slot (TL thinks I'm hard null, but apparently pushing my slot for content when gobbles was hard lurking is a scum motivated maneuver), Iec (who was scummy enough to get lynched) and Lavender (who chk later hard defended based on the role PM slip thing). TLich also pushed Pooky, DGB, Iec, Lav, and my slot. That's not real reasoning, that's a joke.
Third, chk is scum for thinking that tracker and ninja cop are more likely not aligned. What.
TLich's entire push can be boiled down to I think chk is scum because he was wrong, and not only that, but town TLich doesn't know chkflip was even wrong. Not that being wrong is a scumtell at all, given that the faction with information is not the town in the first place. As TLich himself has pointed out, there are worlds where DGB and Pooky aren't town (which is scummy in itself, btw). TLichtown should have no way of knowing whether the push on gobbles was on town or scum. TLich was just as wrong as chk on all of the same people, with the exception of himself if he's town. And chk's setup spec, while not particularly compelling, is very obviously a reasonable thought to have.
In post 1955, TemporalLich wrote:but actually most of my read comes from the VCA, which doesn't look town-motivated
but voting logical makes sense if you believe logical is mechscum for whatever reason
Oh, wait, TLich admits that his entire push is just about chk pushing all the same people he did.
