A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

[Lady 1]

VOTE: Gent 2

[Lady 4]

i'm on G4-L2 that seems like the best competing wagon no?

[Gentleman 6]

FFS people. Stop your goddamn waffling. There's gonna be blood spilled. It might be town. But at least we made that choice and not the mafia. And it gives the rest new data to move forward on this shit. We will run out of goddamn time if we keep going in circles for another... 4 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes.

@Mod for the love of {Deity} can we prod the shit out of guy the 3rd and their main?

[FakeGod]

@Mod for the love of {Deity} can we prod the shit out of guy the 3rd and their main?

Done

[Gentleman 6]

Well gee everyone, don't all post at once.

[Gentleman 4]

she overreacted in a very defensive manner that read like scum

I don't think she was defensive towards you. The closest she got to defensive was the quote where she was talking about how your collective reads probably weren't going to change on her, and you guys should listen to my read.

To be honest, I’m less confident in scumreading G5 after last night,

Why?

The things you were saying sounded reasonable, but I still need to check your ISO.

VOTE: Gent 2

Not complaining, but is this just to drive the hang onto G2 or because you are townreading me?

[Gentleman 6]

We are currently arguing about how much we'd give up for ANY goddamn data at this point, in our PT.

So it's probably more because she doesn't wish to give up multiple kingdoms, Sir the 4th.

[Gentleman 4]

I get the sense from Gent 2's posting recently that he's trying to solve the game-- what I mean about that is, I think it's a mostly foregone conclusion that Gent 2 is flipping soon. I think Gent 2 knows that as well.

Detailing plans for who should and shouldnt be in the endgame, trying to strike a deal with me, stuff like that feels unnecessary if he's just about to flip red. And also could potentially be hurting his partner too giving so much extra info. It's sort of like in a regular game when someone is at L-1 and they're obviously going to die-- scum would probably favour giving up to not expose anything to help us find their partner, town will try to dictate what we should do next

In Gent 7's case it was kind of LAMISTy/WIFOMy to save himself (it was just a 1v1), whereas here I don't get the feeling Gent 2 is trying to save himself by WIFOMing us out. I don't think he can and I dont think he thinks he can either. He'd have to push so many miselims, whereas in Gent 1's case he just had to beat out one person.

What do you think of this?
I'm not sure I understand what L3 meant when she disagreed with this.

[Lady 8]

I think Lady 3 disagrees with me that theres no scum benefit to trying to stay alive just a little bit longer as Gent 2 does (all while giving a whole host of analysis and interactions). Personally I think that's hurting scum Gent 2 and looks more like town Gent 2 trying to win after death, but I suppose it's not solid. I get the point that scums job is to stay alive at all costs and WIFOMing us out is one way

In any case, if the prince votes Gent 2 I will join him to seal it. Up to him!

[Lady 3]

man
I know "My name is Y and X came at me like a wrecking ball, and since I have Y's role PM i know that's a wrecking ball against town, so compared to rand that says bad things about X" is valid
otoh in a 16p with 2 scum man is it at it's least compelling
y'know?

I was trying to say, "scum are more likely than town to push town" as a scumtell is stronger in a 10:3 than a 14:2

I guess that's kind of strawmanning because g5 was trying to break down g4's reasons for pushing "town" also, but, I'm not sure that's unaffected by the numbers, townies are more likely to have to give up on solid reasoning if both scum are well hidden and then more likely to turn to reasoning that is shoddy

On the other hand the case on g2 is based on survivalism which isn't affected by 14:2 except that it might amplify scum survivalism.

[Lady 3]

FFS people. Stop your goddamn waffling. There's gonna be blood spilled. It might be town. But at least we made that choice and not the mafia. And it gives the rest new data to move forward on this shit. We will run out of goddamn time if we keep going in circles for another... 4 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes.

@Mod for the love of {Deity} can we prod the shit out of guy the 3rd and their main?

Why are afraid of not having two pairs exiled by deadline?

[Lady 3]

I had a nightmare last night that I altslipped this game and I actually checked my egoposts to verify it was just a dream

[Gentleman 4]

How is G2 different from G7?

[Lady 8]

How is G2 different from G7?

G7 just had to beat out G2 using some spur of the moment LAMIST self sacrificey talk. Also the closer he got to dying, the more he started complaining more than anything. He didn't have any reasoning for why he wanted certain people to endgame, he just kept giving one-liners about how he was annoyed or simple statements like "This post pings me negatively." or "The 5-8 pairings look lile the best candidates".

Whereas I think G2 is dying here no matter what, so there's really no benefit to posts like 3414 (where he lays out his reads on the entire game) or that post where he tries to strike a deal with me to leave after he leaves. I don't think scum Gent 2 is gaining anything because he can't save himself by making these posts.

And yeah there's the possibility that's just what scum Gent 2 wants us to think. Well played on him but also he's still going to die so I don't know what the point was. All of the posts lose credibility after he flips red (obviously) and we can use them to find his partner easier. I don't feel like there's a benefit to staying alive for just a little bit longer for scum Gent 2, whereas it makes sense if he's town

Granted, some of his posts are kind of in that same feel as Gent 7 wifom. Like this one:

After we flip, G4-L2 is going to be next, right?

This seems like something Gent 2 would say as an obvious wifom tactic, and I didn't really get where it came from. So I'm not convinced in this read but it's enough for me to have him go second, sure.

[Gentleman 4]

I find the whole WIFOM argument quite circular.
VOTE: G2/L4

[Gentleman 4]

L-1 BTW

[Gentleman 6]

Lady the 8th, it is time to eat your ice cream.

[Gentleman 6]

Lady the 8th, it is time to eat your ice cream.

Well, more like custard, but....

[Lady 8]

I find the whole WIFOM argument quite circular.
VOTE: G2/L4

Yeah probably

Lady the 8th, it is time to eat your ice cream.

Hold on lemme psych myself up

[Gentleman 9]

It's vanilla tho btw

this is v cute

[Lady 8]

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong on him

We don't care about waiting for Sherlock's input anymore, do we? Gent 5 I know is okay with it and I assume Gent 8 is from his last couple posts

pedit: thank u gent 9

[Gentleman 9]

the prince does need to lead the way and act as a beacon for town to coalesce votes.

[Gentleman 6]

I find the whole WIFOM argument quite circular.
VOTE: G2/L4

Yeah probably

Lady the 8th, it is time to eat your ice cream.

Hold on lemme psych myself up

Waffling is for kittens.

Be the liger you always wanted to be.

[Lady 3]

Lady the 8th, it is time to eat your ice cream.

Hold on lemme psych myself up[/quote]
kawaii

[Lady 8]

Being a kitten isn't so bad