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[Replacement for Sujimichi]

Oh, and because I know these few people will be pushing for me pig-headedly, and possibly trying to pressure others to hurry with a vote/actions while I'm not around -

I do not want us to massclaim today.

And I might as well claim VT the way this game has gone.

And since there's suddenly no one on RfS (funny isn't it) I'll put my vote to where my strongest townread is, and she can now call it OMGUS or any of the other possible things.
VOTE: Bellaphant - you should've honestly waited for me to come back, and we would've gotten a red flip from your buddy RfS. LyLo is gonna be a pain for you.

<--- off to do some more painting.

[Not_Mafia]

Una must be lyncged

[Bellaphant]

He didn't. He claimed something shiny that didn't work. which doesn't match the aesthetic he claimed..but it's my fault for misrepping him.

[UnaBombaH]

He claimed something shiny that didn't work.

Where the hell did I claim that?
All I was aiming for was to be a universal townread worthy of a nightkill in the early game.

There are some anti-town

looking

roles circulating the games now as well.
Roles I'd never claim as town because I know how they'd be perceived by other townies.
I'm not entirely sure how such roles add into the whole balancing thing, but more than rarely those have been the kind of setups that have been the most swingy too.

And now we should stop talking about my role, or we should massclaim.
And if we do, I'm worried scum come out on top of it all.
That's my opinion on it.

[UnaBombaH]

And in case someone wants to twist my words while I'm sleeping - I do not think we have any more investigatives out there for results.
But I think the best case scenario here is scum missing a nightkill.

Bella is just looking for any last ditch effort before being flipped.

[bob3141]

how teh interesting thing is that no one has hammered or given intent on bella. Even though bella is at l-1

Una has stayed l-2 along with nm

[geraintm]

my feeling btw is that the inability for any wagon to go over the top means scum is likely among the targets.

Daughters tenth birthday today, sorry.

I stand by this. That the wagons are not consolidating or going over the top makes me think they are scum or the votes are scum. Me not being one of the wagons helps with this thinking being honest.

[geraintm]

that bob isn't one of the wagons helps too.

[Isis]

my feeling btw is that the inability for any wagon to go over the top means scum is likely among the targets.

Daughters tenth birthday today, sorry.

I stand by this. That the wagons are not consolidating or going over the top makes me think they are scum or the votes are scum. Me not being one of the wagons helps with this thinking being honest.

So can you vote for Bella or Una, and I'll join you and we can end this day??

[geraintm]

my feeling btw is that the inability for any wagon to go over the top means scum is likely among the targets.

Daughters tenth birthday today, sorry.

I stand by this. That the wagons are not consolidating or going over the top makes me think they are scum or the votes are scum. Me not being one of the wagons helps with this thinking being honest.

So can you vote for Bella or Una, and I'll join you and we can end this day??

why don't you join me? as I have said I think the wagons are either on scum or voted by scum, I do not want to join anyone. I am very reluctant in this game state to do so.

[Isis]

I have no issue joining you, but I have a

lot

of issue joining RfS, especially with the way he's reacted this day phase.

[UnaBombaH]

why don't you join me? as I have said I think the wagons are either on scum or voted by scum, I do not want to join anyone. I am very reluctant in this game state to do so.

You really seem to think a flip on N_M would really be better than a flip on RfS/Bella.
I do not see this being an agenda since they both can't be scum

with you

, and joining either one for a mislynch would be easy for scum!gera.
So I guess you are town for sure.

I mean, it doesn't change the fact that RfS and Bella are likely both scum.

[geraintm]

a lot of people are saying who they think are scum, and not willing to follow votes due to this.

for ease, here is my list, going from worst to best

not mafia
bella
isis/una

bob
replacement

me

the bella wagon is 3 Bob Una and Isis
the Una wagon is 2 Not Mafia and Bella
the not mafia wagon is 2 me and Replacement.

as the bella and una wagons both have 2 of the 4 people I dislike on them, I ain't joining them despite me thinking Bella and Una are bad.

[UnaBombaH]

as the bella and una wagons both have 2 of the 4 people I dislike on them, I ain't joining them despite me thinking Bella and Una are bad.

There's just a few problems I have with this.
1. If you are able to tier us like this, and put Bella in a higher "scumtier" than me, you should be able to vote them over me.
No matter if I'm voting them or not. If anything, I could be bussing here, but you would still want a scumflip today just like the rest of us.

2. BOTH of your 1&2 tier scumreads are on me.
I can see why you wouldn't want that lynch, but to be unable to "compromise" on Bella is weird to me.

[UnaBombaH]

And to be honest, I'd argue that your townread on RfS might be the biggest flaw in your reads right now.
It's likely the reason why we can't agree to a lynch currently, considering how most of your top scumreads want them flipped and consider them a highly likely red flip.

[Isis]

gera, if your reads are perfect and the scumteam is not_mafia and bella exactly, wouldn't it be a good idea to compromise and join town!Una and town!Isis on the Bella wagon?
Not_mafia shouldn't really be considered a Bella wagon supporter, he's voted everyone but you this dayphase, so from town!you's perspective he has voted his partner at some point if he's scum

Not wanting to vote your top scumreads because your other scumreads agree is kind of overly picky. We'd be here forever

[geraintm]

@ isis - I am voting my top scum read -not mafia

everyone is sitting here going "come switch to vote with me" and I have too many reservations to do that.

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

And just in case you have no idea what you are dealing with here, I have said something regarding my role way earlier in the game including my hesitance to claim it.
I'm not going to bring any results from earlier nights to the table, and like said "the way this game has gone" suggests that my role was a red herring/"waste of power" after all.
But since I assume you are scum anyway, I don't feel any need to humor you here.
Consider me a VT for all intents and purposes, or consider me scum - doesn't matter much to me.

Ah, I thought you were literally claiming VT.

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

Intent to hammer Bella

Let's hear a claim please.

[Bellaphant]

I'm just VT.
Isis, at least you make sense. This day phase needs to end and people need to seriously reconsider when I flip. Maybe dead Bella will have better luck.

[Isis]

I will deadsheep you and suspect Una and stuff

You think Una is sus right?

[UnaBombaH]

I will deadsheep you and suspect Una and stuff

You think Una is sus right?

Now this seems like scum making the bed for tomorrow!
Isis - are you seriously now doubting that Bella doesn't flip scum? Or did you intend to "deadsheep" scum?

[Isis]

I think it's pretty likely she flips scum but I have more of a confidence that she is a frontrunner than I do have a hard read where I would make cash bets on her flip.

I want to seal off every loss condition so I do want to hear from her in case she's town.

I am maybe a little bit of a sucker for when people claim VT at E-1 plus intent and don't selfhammer but I protect myself from that bias by being very mechanical about hammering such slots in all cases.

[Bellaphant]

...even I could see that there's an 'if' in Isis's. But Una definitely isn't ready to jump to call anyone scum. Oh nope.

Would it help if I literally hit my head on This wall?

[Isis]

Bella please don't hurt your head ok