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VC 1.2.HELL

[2] NorwegianboyEE: word321, Cthylla [2] Cthylla: Hayasaka, Dannflor [1] Isis: WaltertheDunce10 [1] Dannflor: Isis [3] Not Voting: clidd, NorwegianboyEE, Green Crayons With 9 still with us, it takes 5 votes to condemn someone to Hell.

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(expired on 2020-08-19 16:00:00)

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[Isis]

Wait someone gets that reference right

I'm not the only player from the last run of the setup, right?

Um
Dannflor you read unbolded gameplay?

[Isis]

Hayasaka I've decided your main needs to be implosion, now.
It's a mind imploding identity for you to have but I need to not be alone

[Hayasaka]

Isis I thought we wanted to send scum to heaven early why are you voting Cythlla? :^)

[Hayasaka]

I am trying to find 2 other people to fill out an EDH group with another scummer.
If you agree you technically I have to tell you my main when I dm you on discord.

[Isis]

I'm voting Dannflor. Do you think he's scum?
pedit: I'm not into multiplayer/EDH, sorry

[Cthylla]

i love being the decider in 3p lylo Isis

[Hayasaka]

I'm voting Dannflor. Do you think he's scum?
pedit: I'm not into multiplayer/EDH, sorry

^ To the important half of that post


In regards to Dannflor, I think he could be doing a better job trying to pocket the crowd if he was demonspawn here. Although he hasn't really done enough to make me feel strongly 1 way or the other.

The only read I am particularly happy about is my current vote. I think your energy is headed into way too many OOG posts for me to be able to think you are trying to actually pocket anyone.

This setup is weird because scum have to do more then just sit in the middle ground to win like a usual game of mafia, they really have to go above and beyond to win.

[Isis]

That's not what I remember. I guess it's not impossible I'm mixing you up with someone else. In spite of your consistent use of one pseudonym and avatar

[Isis]

Is that true? I thought this setup has a scumsided EV, so in theory not doing anything would work?
Like I felt like if the partner of the heavened scum in Dannflor's Purg had done less (instead of doing 4x average participation, as a hydra) the associatives to the heavened scum wouldn't have been as strong and our randomer helling would have lost out more.

[Cthylla]

say hello to my minion, destroyer of worlds

Spoiler:

[Dannflor]

Wait someone gets that reference right

I'm not the only player from the last run of the setup, right?

Um
Dannflor you read unbolded gameplay?

yeah I read the entirety of the games I mod

[Isis]

omg

[Isis]

not at you
obviously
in the not meanest way possible
yet also the most emphatic

[Hayasaka]

Is that true? I thought this setup has a scumsided EV, so in theory not doing anything would work?
Like I felt like if the partner of the heavened scum in Dannflor's Purg had done less (instead of doing 4x average participation, as a hydra) the associatives to the heavened scum wouldn't have been as strong and our randomer helling would have lost out more.

It's the same reason why people choose to talk while playing Assassin in the Palace.
People like to squeeze out any points of EV they can, which would involve overextending early to try and get an early Heaven. Maybe you are right though and people you like to play with just take positive EV situation and try not to mess it up.

I could be wrong as not all people are the same and I certainly don't know the mind behind an alt, but I think people who are trying to town tell early on are more likely to be hellspawn. I used to think people who came out kicking where town but I ended up recording the stats on it and it turned out it was something that actually favored scum. Which is true for a lot of tells actually given they only need to work 30% of the time to "favor scum".

If we include the fact I am playing mafia here and not just applying stats I've collected to make reads. Then I also think scum are more likely to want to play like that in this setup.

[Isis]

I think you might be pointing out that I'm projecting. I think I change my style to fit the EVs of setups moreso than many players. The biggest example being when I bussed NaCl with a renegade freighter in a closed 13p with a scumsided core mechanic, but then partnered with the same player with similar play in a closed 15p with about 6 confirmed towns and I refused to bus him because I felt I had less EV to work with.

I think you may be right that normal players would look at getting heavened as "oh in this setup if I'm a good girl/boy/lovecraftian horror I can get a shiny" and would use that to guide their strategy instead of percentages.

[Isis]

*open 15p

[Green Crayons]

How are there four pages already and so many filled with a pretty awful black background text.

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: Isis

I am, quite literally, compelled to skim your posts because of that typeface(?), font(?), whatever choice.

[Green Crayons]

squeeze out any points of EV

What’s EV

[Isis]

This font is beautiful

Are you literally not going to read my posts if I keep it, I can switch, it will only break a quarter of my heart.

I have had people range from saying it's awful and saying later they were just ribbing it was fine, to people saying they slightly dislike it then admitting they hadn't read a post for 20 pages.

But generally I drop it if not everyone will be able to play mafia

Until after I delete them from the game

[Green Crayons]

I think one of Isis or Cthylla is scum here, I think scum have the most incentive to open up the game with this much presence.

Similarly to the way scum tend to open up theme games strongly because they spent time getting hyped up already. I think scum would look and see their win con involves getting sent to heaven and would promptly decide to open up the game like this to try and achieve an early pocket.

I like this theory.

[Isis]

EV is Expected Value, it's the weighted average of each possible benefit with consideration to how likely each different magnitude benefit is.
When the benefits all match it ends up simply referring to things that increase or decrease your probability of winning

[Green Crayons]

I’m not not going to read your posts over it. Put me in the crotchety “no but for real” camp that I don’t like it at all. We can just send you off quickly and everyone wins.

[Green Crayons]

Though you having to put in those tags each time is mildly endearing.

That’s commitment.