A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

[Lady 1]

Considering Lady #2 was Isis I am 100% not shocked at all that I was at the bottom of her reads lists but I'm not going into any detail on that

[Gentleman 6]

Err, lady #3, the 2nd owner, you mean?

[Gentleman 9]

Lady 5: This one is easy

If G4-L2 are done first then:

G4-L2 -> G5-L8 if no scumflip -> G1-L7 -> G3-L6 -> G6-L1

G4-L2 -> G1-L7 if scumflip -> G3-L6 -> G6-L1 -> G5-L8

I want the three endgame pairs to be

L3-G9
G3-L6
G6-L1

UNLESS scum flips in either G5-L8 or G4-L2 in which case the other should be swapped for G3-L6

[Lady 1]

I'm tired ok

[Gentleman 9]

Lady 2 was scum. Lady 4 died too early. So Out of the ladies I need to still do 6

[Lady 8]

Spoiler: Lady 6 before intermission

I think L3 and L8 are both town with high confidence. Pre replace lilith is not scum lilith from my memories, and scum lilith wasn't particularly hard to catch. 4064 is goodposting. I have a pretty good record at picking up when I'm being PT pocketed, though, so I'm not overly concerned with G3.

I think L3/G9 and G1/L7 are my preferred endgame pairs atm.

I also don't think early pages G4 is likely scum, but I'm not at all convinced L2 is town, which seems to be roughly opposite the thread consensus but still functionally the same thing.

My replace in theory was thoroughly shot to hell when I read G7's entrance. I think G7 probably realized pretty early that his slot was never endgaming, so it's likely quite a bit of his behavior was intentional smokescreening. That leads me to the belief that L1 is probably town. (Particularly, 910 looks to me like an attempt to make her look bad post flip, similarly to how 1398 seems to be an attempt to poison the well for {L4/G2}.)

Unedited notes from while I was a little feverish. Feel free to ask about them, but I don't actually remember what I was thinking for most of it:

L7G1 had interesting conversation about it. Particularly, G4's reaction to the original ask feels pretty eh and G5's seems pretty town.

L8 and G1 are likely the same alignment. If either is scum, it's probably S/S. I feel it is more probable that they are both town though. (p15)

G5/G9 is unlikely to be S/S. (Post 403)

L1 3 townpairs list seems really bad. Including herself and a person scumreading her seems like it's a move for towncred and not a legitimate play. (post 450)

Spoiler: Lady 6 post intermission

i just really don't vibe your case on scum!him !

I thought the case on him was more that the flipped scum were trying to get people to focus on you out of the pair, when you are pretty obviously the stronger player from a (becoming townread) PoV, which seems like a strong enough case to not have him endgame. I don't particularly think he's scum, but I wouldn't be opposed to flipping him. Vaguely, I'm in a similar place with G3. I think it's very possible that he's town, but I'm not really sold on him being town either, so if we die, we die.

I'm feeling pretty happy with L3's 4517, tbh, and I'd probably be okay with either of G5/L8 or G6/L1.

I guess I'll rephrase my question though.

Does anyone have any particular reservation about either of G5/L8 or G6/L1 being the last pair standing?

[Gentleman 9]

I'm in favor of going scorched earth on basically everywhere but Lady 3/Gent 9

I need more opinions on G1 first I think

if we can take G1 is town, then going scorched earth on everything but G1/L7 and L3/G9 is not a strategy I disapprove of.

I specifically don't want G5/L8 in end game.

I don't expect my pair to be end-game with the state of G3. I town lean him currently but I still foresee myself leaving if the game lasts long enough.

I am expliclty not townreading her. If I had a go back to dance pairings button where I could have replaced in before it all shook out I'm not sure I'd still have paired where I did.

That said I certainly don't regret making it to this phase!

Our pt is a few pages long. About 90 percent of it is my phone posting while I drive to and from work. That wasn't a joke. I generally use my commute to lay down thoughts using my phone's voice to text feature.

Were you town reading her when you paired with her? Has your read changed/progressed on her since then?

My thoughts on Lady 1 for a while is that she was just so free and seemingly uncaring with her posting that it seemed +townish. But that's not a lot to base a read off of and she seemingly does have very strong opinions (namely on me pair and G4/L2), and she's since reversed her "I'm fine with dying attitude" to "I want to survive" and that has me squeamish.

i just really don't vibe your case on scum!him !

I thought the case on him was more that the flipped scum were trying to get people to focus on you out of the pair, when you are pretty obviously the stronger player from a (becoming townread) PoV, which seems like a strong enough case to not have him endgame. I don't particularly think he's scum, but I wouldn't be opposed to flipping him. Vaguely, I'm in a similar place with G3. I think it's very possible that he's town, but I'm not really sold on him being town either, so if we die, we die.

I'm feeling pretty happy with L3's 4517, tbh, and I'd probably be okay with either of G5/L8 or G6/L1.

[Gentleman 9]

no lady 8 I think you need to do lady 6 pre and post dannflor. This is because Dann would have a better read on the game by virtue of being in the game for longer, while the replacement has more recent info

(yes and it looks better for me)

[Gentleman 9]

For Gents, I need to do G2 (died early), G3 (didn't participate), G4, G7 (scum), G8

[Gentleman 9]

if i had to rank ladies town->scum right now i think i'd go 7, 3/8, 6, 1, 2 but i don't really even think lady 2 is all that likely to be scum

if i had to rank gentleman town->scum right now i think i'd go "fuck me i don't know"

maybe 6/9, 5, 4, 3, 1?

[Gentleman 9]

remind me where you think the scum are, gentleman 4

G5/L8 has biggest chance. If not, equally consider G9 and G1. Weaker townreads are G6/G3.

[Gentleman 9]

In summary:
Gents ranking
G8:
6 = 9 > 5 > 1
G4
6 > 1 = 9 >5
L6, Dann
9 > 6 = 1 > 5
L6, Not Dann
5 = 6 > 1 = 9
L5
9 = 5 > 6 > 1

[Lady 3]

G9, you're so towny ~

[Lady 8]

Let me grab the most relevant read to what I'm deciding on (aka G6/L1 vs. G1/L7)

Lady 6 post dannflor preferred G6/L1 > G1/L7 (4527). Dannflor Lady 6 seems to prefer G1 over G6 (3718) and had paranoia of L1 (3716)

Lady 5 preferred G6/L1 > G1/L7 as well (4279)

Gent 8 has both Lady 1 and Gent 1 very close to bottom of his reads, with Gent 6 and Lady 7 very high (4314 + 4315)

Gent 4 hard townread Gent 1 (4239)

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So if they were to vote on who is townier:

G6/L1 - Lady 6v2, Lady 5
G1/L7 - Lady 6v1, Gent 4
Undecided - Gent 8

If they were to vote on the Gent they like more between 1 and 6:

G6: Gent 8, Lady 6v1, Lady 5
G1: Gent 4, Lady 6v2

pedit: well that's really helpful! but it also is harder for me to read with all the numbers so ill just post my own version anyway just in case

[Gentleman 9]

Ladies Ranking
G8:
7 > 3 = 8 > 1
G4:
7 = 1 = 3 > 8
L6 Dann,
7 = 3 > 1 > 8
L6 Not Dann,
3 = 5 = 8 > 1
L5
3 = 8 > 1 > 7

I understand this is not perfect attribution since some of these are done by pairs so don't rail on me ok i tried my best

[Lady 8]

G9, you're so towny ~

finally, some relationship development!

[Lady 3]

are you the relationship therapist i need, dear lady 8?

[Lady 8]

i'm more of a cheerleader than anything. I kinda just cried inside while you two were fighting which wasn't terribly productive

[Lady 3]

Even if I willed myself to go on with this relationship, I feel that its fallibility is a vector to town loss.

[Gentleman 9]

hold on we are gonna have to have a domestic dispute soon

[Lady 8]

╥﹏╥

[Lady 3]

yeah we're like, talking about the concept of breaking up atm

[Lady 8]

sniff

Not before Gent 1, right?

>﹏<

[Lady 3]

love fades. that is why it is lovely...

[Gentleman 5]

I want to be more solid about guy the 5th before signing up for this product and or service...

I feel the same way but about Lady 8. Maybe we can convince each other?

I cased Lady 8 as town, did you guys see that?

For myself: I don't understand why there's paranoia surrounding me