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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:46 am

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The theory stuff about heavening is kind of tricksie but

I think you actually just heaven your townreads
Because if they flip scum you get the most information

How many associative threads could be a consideration too I guess.

If you heaven scum, you want it to be one you never would have caught anyways.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:46 am

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In post 446, Hayasaka wrote:
Don't get me wrong it was likely I was going to vote him, but as soon as I saw I wasn't needed to achieve hammer I had an awful feeling while spamming F5.


VOTE: WalterTheDunce

I'd like to nominate someone who was off wagon, and I don't know how I feel about Crayons yet.
This premise seems superficial to me.

You're voting for someone for a VCA impression instead of your townread.
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:47 am

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Basically what Isis said too.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:50 am

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Actually, I don't think I want to vote GC or Walter (I need to take a better look at them).

I'm between Norwegian and Isis.
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:57 am

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I really like . And i was considering Isis my heaven candidate. But it might also be good to keep them in the game based on strategies i’ve said earlier.

And regarding heavening someone that’s "off-wagon" i’d like it if Hayasaka would explain if there’s a big reason why scum wouldn’t be outside the wagon. Because last i checked Word was pretty much a universal scumread and it’s highly likely some scum stated themselves scumreading Word but didn’t vote. Like Walter did in post @Hayasaka. Did you consider that?
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:03 am

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Gun to my head, i think i’d feel safest heavening one of Clidd/Isis because they are still my TR’s.
Would like more time before i decide anything though.
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:17 am

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I think we should slow down cause I want to play with Dannflor somes
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:21 am

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I think the wagon has 2-3 scum on it and off wagon has 0-1 scum.
Mainly due to the pace in which we achieved that lynch, I just highly doubt that as a town we were able to mislynch that fast while I am the only town off wagon. That would raise the question of, is both GC and Walter scum together and happened to be off wagon? And I think the very simple answer to that question is no.

Issue is all 3 scum likely aren't on the wagon together which would mean voting off the wagon not considering my self would be a 50/50 which is actually worse odds then just voting on wagon.
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:22 am

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As someone who was going to fuck up that vote at some point, I just have the following question to ask. Was word so absurdly bad you think that pace was justified by a dominantly town wagon?
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:24 am

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I'm not understanding your point of view.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:26 am

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If you can rephrase the 457's explanation, I would appreciate.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:27 am

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I think the wagon occured at a very fast pace from the time word started to post seriously.
that indicates the lynch had multiple scum on it and wasn't a lynch scum looked at and went "We can keep our hands clean and let town do this for us".
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:29 am

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Hayasaka, you were in achievement. Remember that D1 lynch?
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:35 am

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Like Norwee pointed out, I think when someone is doing that poorly, voters and "nodders" aren't too different. At most you'd be wanting to try to clear the people who didn't scumread him at all.

When I go back to ctrl f word, that turns out to be "everybody except Green Crayons posted some kind of shade or scumread about word"

If the tempo itself is suspicious, I think you'd want to be looking at Cythlla as the deciderer that it would convert from a high pressure wagon to hellfire. I was spending lots of brainspace on Hectic bussing a partner with a hammer in a scenario that was already bad to try to get a pass for a few phases and am not sure exactly how it works this other way and if that still means Cythlla is an angel

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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:38 am

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I can recognize trends and acknowledge games that deviate from them. Also that hammer wasn't intended and neither was the L-1 vote. But I don't like looking at circumstances when analyzing hard stats, stats should be able to speak for themselves even including deviations.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:39 am

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Achievement was different cause I had to get ride of dumb and dumber's avatar
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:41 am

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My legs were in an uncomfortable position and I was just about to shift them but Pandora nestled in my lap so now I don't want to disturb her
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:42 am

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In post 463, Isis wrote:
I shall fight your awful wording white must be removed from the color pie
I really like playing white :(
Not having fliers in limited is incredibly boring and sometimes I don't want to play blue.

Jokes aside let me think about this for a bit I am not sure I can be persuaded that easily.

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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:44 am

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In post 461, Hayasaka wrote:
I think the wagon occured at a very fast pace from the time word started to post seriously.
that indicates the lynch had multiple scum on it and wasn't a lynch scum looked at and went "We can keep our hands clean and let town do this for us".
But I remember word getting to E-1 before that, when I said that I wanted more votes on him.
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:45 am

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In post 467, Hayasaka wrote:Not having fliers in limited is incredibly boring and sometimes I don't want to play blue.
Excuse you.

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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:46 am

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Here:
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:50 am

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Fast L-1s and fast hammers are very different.
In micro games you get L-1s as early as RVS.

On wagon I'd just vote Dannflor really but I'd need to think about it.
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:51 am

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8 pages in 24 hours is silly. I'll have my work cut out for me in the morning, cup of coffee in hand.
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:53 am

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I don't know.

Wanting Walter over Isis/Norwegian/etc isn't a good move if you're scum here.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:54 am

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It would be easier/safe to advertise something more basic, like voting for a townread. In this context, I think this is a positive sign about you.

But even so, I see Word as more likely to have been a common scumread, which make the number of towns in his wagon more significant.

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