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[Nero Cain]

I can have a SL on Norway and a SR on you, and then when one of you are eliminated, it will help me go back and evaluate your content to get a clearer read on the other player who we didn't eliminate.

let's go down this rabbit hole. If I were to ever get lynched/vigged/nked you are going to push norway. If norway ever gets lynched/vigged you are going to push me. Are you going to deny that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't like Norway's motivation this game. He was town in the last game I played with him and his morale was up the whole game. I don't like the whole idea of lowering the player pool being top priority right now even at the cost of town deaths. Seems haphazard and wreckless which isn't the Norway I played with last time.

Are some of you seriously still harping on the argument that: "Suggesting us to vig players is so scummy!!!!" stuff?

[Glitch]

If you think im scum AND don't think we are scum together then you have to think he's town

I understand the point you're trying to make but the only way that this would be true is if I knew for a fact that your alignment was scum. I am speculating and making a case that you are scum because in my mind, you are the highest likelihood to be scum right now. But I don't know for a fact that you are, and I am well aware that I could be wrong and I could get you lynched and you could flip town. Therefore, my read on Norway is not going to be influenced by my read on you because my read on you could very well be wrong.

My quote of the wiki was because you're don't like that I won't call you two a scum team, but I just won't. Most likely, one of you is scum and one of you is town, but I have a hard time figuring out which one. I lean your way but understand that I may be wrong, and both of you being in my scum reads because of your own individual actions does not make me want to lynch first, evaluate later. If I wanted a wreckless lynch I would have just joined the MM wagon. That wagon was freaking easy to jump on.

If I were scum why would I be motivated to push you so hard when I'm literally the only one SRing you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you think im scum AND don't think we are scum together then you have to think he's town

I understand the point you're trying to make but the only way that this would be true is if I knew for a fact that your alignment was scum. I am speculating and making a case that you are scum because in my mind, you are the highest likelihood to be scum right now. But I don't know for a fact that you are, and I am well aware that I could be wrong and I could get you lynched and you could flip town. Therefore, my read on Norway is not going to be influenced by my read on you because my read on you could very well be wrong.

My quote of the wiki was because you're don't like that I won't call you two a scum team, but I just won't. Most likely, one of you is scum and one of you is town, but I have a hard time figuring out which one. I lean your way but understand that I may be wrong, and both of you being in my scum reads because of your own individual actions does not make me want to lynch first, evaluate later. If I wanted a wreckless lynch I would have just joined the MM wagon. That wagon was freaking easy to jump on.

If I were scum why would I be motivated to push you so hard when I'm literally the only one SRing you?

Disgusting post.
VOTE: Glitch

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero isn't scum.

[Nero Cain]

If I wanted a wreckless lynch I would have just joined the MM wagon. That wagon was freaking easy to jump on.

So easy that you didn't jump?

[Glitch]

I can have a SL on Norway and a SR on you, and then when one of you are eliminated, it will help me go back and evaluate your content to get a clearer read on the other player who we didn't eliminate.

let's go down this rabbit hole. If I were to ever get lynched/vigged/nked you are going to push norway. If norway ever gets lynched/vigged you are going to push me. Are you going to deny that?

Please don't take my statement to a conclusion I never made or implied. I did not say I would push the other if one gets killed. If one of you is killed I will be able to go back and read through both of y'all's posts in order to clarify my reads and get a better understanding of the alignment of the still-living player. Whether I push them or not would depend on how that read comes out.

[Glitch]

If you think im scum AND don't think we are scum together then you have to think he's town

I understand the point you're trying to make but the only way that this would be true is if I knew for a fact that your alignment was scum. I am speculating and making a case that you are scum because in my mind, you are the highest likelihood to be scum right now. But I don't know for a fact that you are, and I am well aware that I could be wrong and I could get you lynched and you could flip town. Therefore, my read on Norway is not going to be influenced by my read on you because my read on you could very well be wrong.

My quote of the wiki was because you're don't like that I won't call you two a scum team, but I just won't. Most likely, one of you is scum and one of you is town, but I have a hard time figuring out which one. I lean your way but understand that I may be wrong, and both of you being in my scum reads because of your own individual actions does not make me want to lynch first, evaluate later. If I wanted a wreckless lynch I would have just joined the MM wagon. That wagon was freaking easy to jump on.

If I were scum why would I be motivated to push you so hard when I'm literally the only one SRing you?

Disgusting post.
VOTE: Glitch

I mean instead of just saying it's disgusting, you could give me something to go on?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok. It’s scummy.

[Nero Cain]

If you have independent scum reads on each of us why the fuck WOULDn't you push the other once they are dead?

[Glitch]

If I wanted a wreckless lynch I would have just joined the MM wagon. That wagon was freaking easy to jump on.

So easy that you didn't jump?

I'm not here for easy wagons. I'm here for getting solid reads. I've accomplished that with a single vote on you. What would I have accomplished by parking my vote on the easy MM wagon early on? I would have accomplished what I'd want as scum -- to coast under the radar and join an easy wagon.

[Glitch]

If you have independent scum reads on each of us why the fuck WOULDn't you push the other once they are dead?

Once one of you were dead, then I would re-evaluate my read of the currently-alive one based on a re-read of your previous interactions with each other. If one of you flips scum and your interactions show that it looks like the other one couldn't be scum, then of course I'm not going to push it. But if one of you flips scum and your interactions show that the one who is still alive could be a scum buddy then I would certainly push it. But right now we have no flips and both of you, based on your own content, fall on my scum radar.

[Glitch]

I don't like Norway's motivation this game. He was town in the last game I played with him and his morale was up the whole game. I don't like the whole idea of lowering the player pool being top priority right now even at the cost of town deaths. Seems haphazard and wreckless which isn't the Norway I played with last time.

Are some of you seriously still harping on the argument that: "Suggesting us to vig players is so scummy!!!!" stuff?

I mean, according to your bestie Nero, there is no statute of limitations on bad arguments coming back to bite you. There's nothing wrong with vigging scummy players and using the vig role wisely. There is something wrong with using it just to get the number of players down at the expense of town deaths early on when there's not enough info to clearly judge alignments. (Which was the case when you made the statement that we should cull down the playerlist with vigs.)

[Nero Cain]

idk, the way I feel is if Glitch were town he'd be thinking about the dynamic between us (norway and I) and think Norway is just town unless he wants to believe I was attacking my buddy.

so he'd think scum are nero and ???, ????, ???, ????

and WHEN I flip town he's plenty of capable of saying "oh Nero flipped town so scum must be these 5"

but no, he's just advocating for death and he literally doesn't give a shit to think and I don't think thats a town mindset.

He's being ridgidly narrow and quoting the wiki and trying to follow it to a T.

[Bell]

Rigidly narrow like that blue arrow

[Nero Cain]

Once one of you were dead, then I would re-evaluate my read of the currently-alive one based on a re-read of your previous interactions with each other. If one of you flips scum and your interactions show that it looks like the other one couldn't be scum, then of course I'm not going to push it. But if one of you flips scum and your interactions show that the one who is still alive could be a scum buddy then I would certainly push it. But right now we have no flips and both of you, based on your own content, fall on my scum radar.

but your scum read on norway has shit all to do with my interactions with him. Me flipping town shouldn't make you change your reasoning.

[Glitch]

So in order to maintain a SR on you and advocate your elimination, I have to have a clear understanding of how your flip is going to effect my read on Norway BEFORE you flip? I'm not going to pretend that my 8/10 case on you is 10/10 and I'm 100% right. You're my top scum read but I have no ability to truly, objectively know your alignment until you flip. Why is it scummy of me to accept that and therefore choose not to adjust my present read on Norway based on how I read your alignment?

P-edit @690
You flipping town or scum won't negate the case that I built, but the interactions between you and him, once I know your alignment, will provide more content to fuel a read on Norway. I can't say which way it would push my read unless I were to go back and read it cause honestly I haven't read it in a minute. But reading you and Norway interacting may bolster my SR of him, may null my read of him out, or may sway me to a TR of him. I just don't understand why you think it's necessary for me to read Norway a certain way based on your actions.

[Nero Cain]

I've accomplished that with a single vote on you. What would I have accomplished by parking my vote on the easy MM wagon early on?

it's very easy to scum read players without a vote, I do it all the time.

If

you were town and you thought MM were scum and voting him furthers the game and nets a scum lynch...that's something a town you should want, no? You could have still argued with me and called me scum while lynching someone else that you thought was scum. But all you've done now by voting me is sideline your vote, possibly get yourself lynched, and possibly let MM slide out of a lynch.

your post was kinda

LAMIST

.

[Nero Cain]

Why is it scummy of me to accept that and therefore choose not to adjust my present read on Norway based on how I read your alignment?

b/c its talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you think I'm scum and you DON'T think I'm scum w/ Norway you think he's town. period. end of discussion.

[Bell]

I would currently like to see a wagon on glitch or/and virgo.

[ralph217]

Bell jump on wagon when heard it was is"nt your let him clami ? other wise it counts as a quick hammer

[ralph217]

tell me if im wrong bus is"nt most survivor expert at playing

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bell jump on wagon when heard it was is"nt your let him clami ? other wise it counts as a quick hammer

tell me if im wrong bus is"nt most survivor expert at playing

I can't comprehend any of what you just said.

[Bell]

I think he’s talking about my Marshall vote.
Is This gimmick Ralph or can you write more clearly?

[Bell]

tell me if im wrong bus is"nt most survivor expert at playing

This one I get. I’m not sure how you get the survivor tag. I thought it had to do with surviving to the end as a 3rd party. Which is difficult yes.