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[JacksonVirgo]

Has the number of scum been confirmed?

The townvmafia numbers are confirmed to be 16v5

[JacksonVirgo]

Post 1 at the bottom, setup notes:
e townvmafia numbers are confirmed to be 16v5

Oh 72 said it in the post after, derp

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: 72offsuit I don't like A50 wagon also am probly not gonna post for the rest of the day

As I said yesterday, I do think 72 is more likely scum than any of the other top wagons but I wouldn't hate an A50 hammer either.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I'll also throw out there that there are a couple of players in this game that are a lot stronger than they're projecting I believe. One I saw earlier this year elsewhere and was impressed. This player list is pretty solid actually, and the rep ins have tightened it up for the most part.

[JacksonVirgo]

NorwegianboyEE (4):Almost50, JacksonVirgo , stan1ey, Glitch

A50 scum
Glitch scum
Stan1ey might or might not be scum
JacksonVirgo might be town

No no no. You can't state a TR on someone voting you. You are the beacon of townyness and everyone who as much as looks at you in an unfavourable way must be scum.

I don't understand if you're calling out the fact they're SRing two on their wagon or TRing one on their wagon.

[JacksonVirgo]

Deadline:FROZEN

I am sorry. I have to.

Spoiler:

Die

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: LXXII

Just vote 72 normally

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry lol I got distracted halfway, Ima come back

[Bell]

I just wanna eliminate scum
Oh~ I just wanna have fun.

[Titus]

VOTE: Siteflaking

I feel like making a completely arbitrary move with the deadline frozen.

^ Is this a gut read?

It's a game is static and now that we aren't deadline scrambling I want to stir shit up and diagnose shit.

[Bell]

1. That’s not a no or yes.
2. How?
3. That's not arbitrary at all!

[Titus]

1. That’s not a no or yes.
2. How?
3. That's not arbitrary at all!

1. That's because Siteflaking isn't a scumread. It's a stir shit up vote. If I say no, the logical question is for a case. I don't have one. Yet, siteflaking isn't a gut read either.

2. Voting a non entity that's here might draw attention away from the bickering and get lurker slots to engage. It's already got your attention.

3. My vote is arbitrary because it could apply to several slots.

[Bell]

Okay. I was saying hello because I saw a non-entity vote another sort of entity and entities should stick together, don’t you think?

[Titus]

Okay. I was saying hello because I saw a non-entity vote another sort of entity and entities should stick together, don’t you think?

I cannot parse this. I will try again in the AM.

[Bell]

Don’t, i’m Just trying to start a conversation and see where you head is at.

[Nero Cain]

bell, what are your reads on

Hiraki
NoPowerOverMe
Marshmallow Marshall

[Bell]

Could be scum with Norwe. But dunno.
Kind of town actuallty weak lean tho. Just not much in the way of scum motivation in their posting unless he’s an ennui monster and that’s his wincon.
Weird, but kind of townie just a comment here and there. He’s putting more effort into this game than past games tho. I don’t know what that means though.

[I Keep Siteflaking]

Hiraki
Pickaxe Pete

Alisae
I Keep Siteflaking

Fwesnid
JacksonVirgo
Bell
Nero Cain

stan1ey

Almost50
superbowl9
NoPowerOverMe
SJReaver

Marshmallow Marshall
ralph217

72offsuit

Titus
NorwegianboyEE

Town looter

Glitch

Lapsa


So im literally @ town looter, empty Ali and Lapsa slots, ralph, MM abd I guess IKS b/c they are prety null to me

Are these people you want and think that can lynch today?
If yes, why exclude Titus? I find this slot as one of the most null slot in the game.
Why not VOTE: 72?

Spoiler:

If theres 1 thing i hate it’s people bailing from a wagon for bs reasons. Finish your wagons properly ppl. Although im totally fine if we just move over to stanley.

72 why are you still scumreading me when you initially did so because you couldn’t understand what i said?

Superbowl = Scum case:

64 Can't really nail exactly, but this post's tone pings me. Just doesnt sound like its coming from a town perspective.
Who gives too hoots what is "correct" or not.

152 Why is anything more than LAMIST required in the early phase of day 1? If !townNBEE had any further reads as to why Bell
might be scum he would've outed them. Feels super forced and unnatural.

This post is enough for a kick on its own.

346
"I don't see scum in this top 5/6 teir of the activity list btw
Risk/reward of being that active this early in the game is not very favorable"

He is clearlly saying he doesnt think scum is likely to be active because it is high risk low reward.
Even if this is true, who says scum plays "optimally" 100% of the time?
Speaks to a scum-frame-of-mind too.

452
"Yes that's what I said. You think there's a town block in the top 5 LMAO??? We've been at each other's throats"

COMPLETELY misreads what I'm saying. Either intentionally misreads or simply doesnt care enough to try and decipher my intent.
Scummy either way.

is the only "good" post he has made.

[Town looter]

Ok did a solid 20 pages of reasonably indepth reading. Going to skip ahead to mid-80s, and reconvene. Remind me I need to read pages 70ish through 85 properly.

Spoiler: 50-60

Do you still scumread me town looter

Apologies, I missed this. Kinda, but it's super stale, and I need to revisit.

Glitch is still scum but he's not going to be lynched anytime soon thanks to his fake claim.

Don't like the Fwesnid wagon.

I especially don't like town looters vote on him in 1283. In the post about he fence sits on him so it seemed a bit wierd he was voting him.

Yeah, it was a shit vote - a result of feeling left behind in the game, but still wanting to progress it.

But I actually think Fwesnid's claim is a scum PR claim.

Also of note, Glitch could have crumbed or hinted at the fact that his role wouldn’t activate until D4 to point out if precisely something like this were to happen, but they didn’t and that’s why i believe they are either faking PR or it’s a scum role.

Neither claim is faultless, but a day/night specific role for scum would be weird right? (I genuinely don't know the answer, still pretty limited experience, especially with closed setups).

he is the most scummy person in this game by far

While I agree with the rest of your post, the OMGUS is strong here.

I feel like this sequence between Nero and Stan is reaching (but not unreasonable reaching) from a Town!Nero and OMGUS from Town!Stanley. Although I feel that way about most of Nero's interactions...

Page 56 & 57: Getting town vibes from A50 through this phase. Something about their argument on Norwegian. I have been on and off SRing Norwegian since the start of the game, and what A50 is saying rings true for me. Apart from the bottom of the page lol... just got to that bit.

It looks opportunistic.

Take it from someone with a scum game you respect

.(I am not a good scum player).

What does this mean? I am genuinely confused.

Skipping ahead... a few pages

I REALLY like Hikari's 1458 and scumread of CSF/Alisae slot. I don't think scum is going to look at that replacement and build a case out of it, it's got to be a townie effort 100% of the time.

I don't understand Hikari's argument. Can someone ELIA5?

Spoiler: 61+

JV's posts from 1500 strike me as very low effort, active lurking. Mild SR there.

Looter, I see your vote is on Fwesnid right now.

Do you scum read them?

Only really for a activity reasons (they are displaying similar levels of activity to their previous game which was scum) as I said earlier.

I am also getting a good vibe from MM. Like the opposite of JV. Seems to be actually wanting to solve the game rather than throwing out meaningless shite (pages 62/63). In other news, still on different wavelength to Nero and NBoyEE.

The thing i don’t get is, if we all think his claim was fake.

I don't. I never scumread glitch. Pretty sure many here feel similar, don't speak for everyone on this.

Town pings from this sequence. I guess my stale SR is officially dead.

GLITCH IS NOT HAPPENING HE CLAIMED PR

NERO/NORWAY ARE NOT HAPPENING THEY HAVE TOO MUCH CLOUT

Can we stop wasting time voting useless people and consolidate before the deadline hits? Either join fwesnid or join a wagon going somewhere

I'll concede nero prolly isnt happened so even tho he is my biggest scumread here I'll invite

but what has NBEE done to achieve clout this game? all he has done really is simp for nero and double down on glitch after a claim. Also last game I played with NBEE he was obviously town from the get go, here his attitude is entirely different. Ik he already said that that game he made more of an effort to appear town but eh I dont really see why he wouldnt here even if isnt the same role

VOTE: NBEE

At risk of buying a shit tonne of OMGUS from Nero and NBoyEE, but I am agreeing a lot with this post.

Btw kinda irrelevant but last day or 2 my read on superbowl has done an 180 from scum to hard towny

Sonofabitch... I am not trying to pocket, honest

norwee clearly flips town here but he's being wrong about what the correct attitude to take here is

Why is Norwegian so town to you? Like, sure, you don't have to scum read them, but why town? This post could at best is anti-town, and at worst incredibly manipulative. That being said, I clearly don't see the world the same as you do.

Page 65 and Pete is starting to get into the game, and being pretty pro-town. Tonw-pass for now, but there is a hint of extreme control over what they say which sets off a faint alarm. But tbf, I am a few beers deep now...

Confbias is taking over on 66 and reading SB as pretty solid town now.

Getting tired and CBF reading walls, so Alisae slot is null (not read) for now.

I got up to page 71, but starting skipping and skimming in a big way, which is a sign to give up - the reads will only get shitter...

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So many posts to read... and I'm seeing I'm alone one Fwesnid now? What happened to that wagon, did he reveal as innocent child or something?

If Lapsa scum= still no idea who teammates are because they haven’t said anything of relevance.

Glitch has been talking up a pl on Lapsa since his first post and had him as a light scum read in one of his posts. When fre was getting wagoned ralph vanity voted lapsa. I think its a somewhat common scum tactic for scum to sit there and vanity vote thier buddy while town lynched town. Could lapsa be getting bussed here?

It’s a possibility that should be looked at if he flips scum. But i’d prefer us all to just vote someone like Almost50 because it’s more informative over all. And 72 is looking better to me for bringing up scummy things he thinks A50 has done.
VOTE: Almost50
Uncle Norwee needs you to do your part for the town. Are you patriotic enough?

I'll check what Offsuit said about A50, but it could just be that he's sheeping a part of the town to get off the hook lol.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hiraki
Pickaxe Pete

Alisae
I Keep Siteflaking

Fwesnid
JacksonVirgo
Bell
Nero Cain

stan1ey

Almost50
superbowl9
NoPowerOverMe
SJReaver

Marshmallow Marshall
ralph217

72offsuit

Titus
NorwegianboyEE

Town looter

Glitch

Lapsa


So im literally @ town looter, empty Ali and Lapsa slots, ralph, MM abd I guess IKS b/c they are prety null to me

Are these people you want and think that can lynch today?
If yes, why exclude Titus? I find this slot as one of the most null slot in the game.
Why not VOTE: 72?

Spoiler:

If theres 1 thing i hate it’s people bailing from a wagon for bs reasons. Finish your wagons properly ppl. Although im totally fine if we just move over to stanley.

72 why are you still scumreading me when you initially did so because you couldn’t understand what i said?

Superbowl = Scum case:

64 Can't really nail exactly, but this post's tone pings me. Just doesnt sound like its coming from a town perspective.
Who gives too hoots what is "correct" or not.

152 Why is anything more than LAMIST required in the early phase of day 1? If !townNBEE had any further reads as to why Bell
might be scum he would've outed them. Feels super forced and unnatural.

This post is enough for a kick on its own.

346
"I don't see scum in this top 5/6 teir of the activity list btw
Risk/reward of being that active this early in the game is not very favorable"

He is clearlly saying he doesnt think scum is likely to be active because it is high risk low reward.
Even if this is true, who says scum plays "optimally" 100% of the time?
Speaks to a scum-frame-of-mind too.

452
"Yes that's what I said. You think there's a town block in the top 5 LMAO??? We've been at each other's throats"

COMPLETELY misreads what I'm saying. Either intentionally misreads or simply doesnt care enough to try and decipher my intent.
Scummy either way.

is the only "good" post he has made.

Agreed with that suggestion, btw. His post about Superbowl is just sheeping what had already been said by a few people, including myself. It's not bad, but it's nothing original either.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

VOTE: Fwes

It's Saturday so I won't be around much because it's my DnD day. Just consider me voting the largest wagon.

Claiming now to save time.
I am a

3-shot loud gunsmith.

Vote for me if you think I'm scum who's gonna repeatedly claimed blocked or a mafia loud rolecop/gunsmith/follower.

Didn't crumb since loud is provable, and if I got no gun I'd crumb 'inno' such that their person I visited would hopefully see it, when I got a gun result I'd ask the person to roleclaim at start of day after saying I have a guilty.

You better not all cfd norwee because iT'S tHe lArGeSt wAgOn.
That can be part of the reason but that should not be the entire reason.

My top scumreads right now are offsuit and titus.

Oh well that changes things. I believe him (or at least think that he is dead tomorrow if it's a lie anyway). VOTE: 72offsuit

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Spoiler: blah

Im no, that’s just an bonus. I scumread A50 for other reasons, i thought you were paying attention to the game?

Why don't you lay all your cards on the table? Tell everyone you are confused and can't tell if I am a PR or not, because I didn't bother crumbing my role as I replaced in. Your confusion is now serious because you don't know whether you should shoot me (or at the very least RB me) or not. You don't want to risk it because I SR you and thus EVEN IF you are not eliminated there's a chance I might return a guilty on you if I am an investigative, but if I am not then you need not worry about that. In short, you hope that you could get me to claim before the day is over, directly or indirectly.

Dude you can have delusions about my supposed worry about PR's as much as you want, it won't come true.

THANK YOU.

This response

confirms

Norwee

knows

I am TOWN. Otherwise, I wouldn't be "delusional". I would be "faking".

I really was expecting more than: "Aha!! Gotcha! You used a word!" to explain why you're so aggressive and confident, but i guess that was too much to ask for.

Honestly, I don't see why scum!A50 uses so weak arguments against Norwee here. Would he seriously expect that post to convince

anyone

? He's experienced, he should know that this post only discredits his case if he's scum. I tend to see this as town being wrong rather than as scum trying to pull a terribly crappy mislynch.

[stan1ey]

i havent been keeping up very much over the weekend but have read a little bit here and there. will do a catch up read and post anything i think of but from what ive read not much has changed for me, think we need to end day 1 now .

we have a frozen deadline now tho so if ppl want more tiem they have it, the flailing is a bit uneeded for now. i think we still have 24 hours after the deadline is unfrozen

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Dude you can have delusions about my supposed worry about PR's as much as you want, it won't come true.

THANK YOU.

This response

confirms

Norwee

knows

I am TOWN. Otherwise, I wouldn't be "delusional". I would be "faking".

No, it doesn't. Even as a 'scum syntax' argument, this is weak.

I know you're smarter than this so I'm wondering what the deal is.

The deal is that he's falling apart from the seams due to the cognitive pressure of rolling scum. You don't have to waste time trying to understand him, he's just scum.

Okay... on a scale of the opposite of towny to scummy, how bad is this post? "You don't have to try to read him yourself, just sheep me" as a reply to a serious post that closes a conversation is horrible lol. Could Norwee actually be scum... hmmmmm. It definetly has to be considered. And I'm not voting A50.