Open 791 | Forest Fire | Game Over

[Bell]

Oh, I see this is a beeboy vote where you flip them and then sort them afterward.

[Bell]

Yeah, I can see it ydrasse.

[Ydrasse]

i don't quite follow those last posts but my eyes also hurt from being awake.

[Bell]

Please tell me you can post at times that aren't 12:46am.

[Ydrasse]

tomorrow i can!

[Ydrasse]

for you and you alone i shall make it my quest to be here at a more reasonable time...

[Bell]

Thanks.
I'm turning in.

[Ydrasse]

gnight!

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: tea

Why

I’ve been thinking about voting there myself but I think they’re displaying a decent level of solving rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes I would admit I'm scum and hope everyone thought I was joking because townies claim scum sometimes.

This is what is called a trust tell
Don’t do this.

[Gamma Emerald]

No this is town spew because I'm explaining everything without a filter and everyone else will townread this you'll see.

Okay the solving posts are good but stuff like this is HRRRM

[Gamma Emerald]

If you take an axe and bisect an arsonist, you don't get a talking head. You get a bloody mess.

Fortunately, blood make good fertilizer.

I think you're being rather optimistic about how articulate a tree is, before or after it is chopped

This exchange is comedy gold

[Isis]

tea plays like someone who wants to not get voted

[tea leaves]

Yes I would admit I'm scum and hope everyone thought I was joking because townies claim scum sometimes.

This is what is called a trust tell
Don’t do this.

I was just joking!
If I was scum I would just ace you all brutally.

[Gamma Emerald]

@farren: :> i was just reading over that and noticed that gl didn't actually reply to that as far as i can see?

i think that gamma being resistant of accepting the townread/actively pushing against gl is townier than gl offering the tr and rolling with it/affirming it.

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I did answer it in 104, Gamma acknowledged this in his next post

here's a question for both you and Farren regarding my Gamma TR - why would scum!me give a freebie townread on Gamma specifically? What do you think is my angle here? When I rolled scum in the first roll of this setup, I specifically named him in the mafia PT (dunno if Farren/MT saw those posts tho) as someone I thought we may be able to plausibly push/eliminate. He's not someone who is generally universally townread or a town leader, I've historically mistakenly scumread him in several prior games, and this game so far isn't really an exception to his normal style IMO.

however, he has done something I actually see as quite town-indicative this game - he claimed an early strong townread on a questionable slot while it was under scrutiny from a well-known aggressive/influential player in Menalque. I hardly see this come from scum - if town!Ydrasse, he's cutting off avenues to vote her later for no real gain in terms of towncred, and risks town spewing her on his flip. I also doubt he'd do it if they were partnered, the vast majority of scum players are too scared to defend their buddy from early game suspicion in that manner.

The only agenda I could

maybe

see as scum-serving is if he's partnered with exactly Menalque and they were using Ydrasse as a wedge topic to casually distance from each other without actually pushing each other directly, but that like actively requires me to don the tinfoil.

There's also the execution of the post/read, he didn't bother to give a real explanation nor did he try to double down on it when he received blowback, it strikes me as a fundamentally genuine thought with no agenda or scum motivation. That's solid grounds for a D1 townread, and I haven't seen him

do

anything to make me want to go back and re-evaluate, as I said yesterday.

so winding back - if I'm scum and Gamma's town, why would I go through the effort of fake TRing him, especially since you don't see this as S-S? Would Gamma really be a necessary pocket for me here? If I were scum I don't think I'd even need to bring a read on him to the table at that point, it was literally the first read I gave and I could have likely dressed up a read on almost anybody else if I wanted to.

I can understand

not agreeing

with my read here, but I can't grok how you see scum!agenda in it, Gamma's not under threat of elimination and he'd be very low on the list of slots I feel I need to buddy or to play around if I were scum.

Well shoot, I’ve had this pet theory that one but not both of GL/tea was scum, but now both of them have posted things that make me question that idea (this is why I wasn’t voting btw)
Cos like, this explanation about the read on me is actually really good at allaying the concerns I had
Isis talk to me about what you see from tea leaves that’s scummy

[Isis]

tea is very self conscious about their appearance. They're very eager to present reads but then say they're not confident about the reads, demonstrating acting out of compulsion rather than conviction.

I still think the pred was scummy, also.

the townread on me seems like placating tmi bs, I don't think I've spewed my alignment that much this game

[Gamma Emerald]

Self-narration is when a player trys to construct an accounting of their own internal experience.
Perhaps said differently, it's when a player thinks out loud to get into their town character. The issue is right there in the wording, they don't need to type out their internal reasoning unprompted unless someone asks because they're town already. But a scum player that needs to fake the perspective of a town player might write something like that.

I’d have to reflect on whether I do this while playing mafia, but in general irl situations I tend to self-narrate my thought process whenever I make an interesting connection to try and walk people through how my mind works, so maybe that’s a reason some people would do it as a NAI thing
I don’t really understand what the reference point here is, I just saw something that I felt like speaking up on

[Gamma Emerald]

tea is very self conscious about their appearance. They're very eager to present reads but then say they're not confident about the reads, demonstrating acting out of compulsion rather than conviction.

I still think the pred was scummy, also.

the townread on me seems like placating tmi bs, I don't think I've spewed my alignment that much this game

This at least puts my original reason to TR tea into a framework where it makes sense for them to be scum, so that helps
And yeah I think I see what you mean

[tea leaves]

Sorry I meant I would ace you all gracefully.
I would rather not get voted out but it doesn't bother me that that much.
I'm not very confident in my scumreads because they're not strong ones but I am confident in some of my townreads.
You and your predecessor have just both seemed very genuine.
(This is to Isis)

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: tea leaves
Yeah I think I can get behind the idea of this being scum for trying to look town
They way they’re trying to work with the trust tell thing is telling with this

[tea leaves]

I was joking about that Gamma!
Obviously I wouldn't say I'm scum if I'm scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

The issue I have is your need to editorialize what you’ve said over and over though
The post directly before I voted is a key example

[tea leaves]

I don't really know what else to say I was responding to Isis for why she's scumreading me.
I'm trying to be as transparent as possible but maybe that's backfiring somehow.

[tea leaves]

[tea leaves]

Day 5:

Ok so it's not looking good. It looks like 3 of the trees (who might not even be trees and could be arsonists in disguise!) inside Forest Fire want to chop me down :/
I guess I am a weird kind of Tree a bit erratic and all over the place but that's how I work. Maybe a lil like this Juniper tree.



It's ok though. I have a contingency plan if I am forced into the tree stumped lifestyle and I'm already gathering a collection of cool trees to post as motivational support if they chop me down.