Redneck Mafia GAME OVER PARTNER!

[Titus]

Not voting Alch.

[Galron]

That makes more sense than Froppy.

VOTE: Alchemist

[Titus]

Alch makes zero sense as a lynch.

[Bingle]

Bingle, tell me why you think Galron is more scum than Elsa Jay.

Elsa Jay's rosary of fake claims were all self-serving and disingenuous and I didn't like them one bit.

EJ fakeclaiming is a sign he has a pulse, not AI for him. It’s annoying, but he plays every game like a survivor. There are a couple things he’s done that make me think he’s town (particularly the bizarre way he refused to vote Froppy) but there’s nothing to really make him solid town.

I don't get that "self-confirming" stuff.

There is not another vig on the scumteam. Therefore, two kills tonight would mean adorable is a town vig. Scum can’t afford to let Townadorable hang around, because she kills a suspect every other night and the PoE pool is already rather tight. It’s always better to make scum kill a slot than to myslynch it. Even if scum has a Roleblocker or something like it to neutralize Adorable, they would have to let the potential power in me and Vecna (who remain unclaimed) have free reign. If we contain even a shitty pseudo investigative like motion detector we have a chance to royally fuck the scumteam here. Not to mention if we have something with a little more oomph, like, say, a doctor to keep you alive.

TL;DR Adorable, if town, will either be dead or conftown soon, so eliminating her is a waste of assets.

I didn't ask, but since you put it out there, I don't follow. Connecting the dots, Logical tracked Thun because Thun said he was going to shoot chkflip? How does chk being obvtown play into that?

LC likely tracked Thun for two reasons. One, the towncred of actually proving himself a tracker which he could have done if Thun had killed a better target. Two, there were very few unclaimed slots. There was no reason to track a VT claim. There was no reason to track DGB/Pooky. There was no reason to track the vengeclaim. There was reason not to track EJ/Alch.

Of course this all falls apart if they were both scum (LC could claim thun shot whoever he wanted) but then we still have a missing non town role responsible for killing A50, and I’ve already explained why adorable is completely off the table for today once in this post.

[Vecna]

Lynching alch is definately not ideal, but it helps with the following:

Its guaranteed not a town lynch today
It gives us a guaranteed mislynch tomorrow and potentially a second one depending on how the NK/vig/pgo shit all work out (4way is no longer a potential loss with 3p scumsiding)
It removes the option of the absolute shitfest of a scum Thun/adorable slot claiming they shot the 3P and us having to figure out whether alch is scumsiding by confirming that or not

Im not really sure whether its worth it, but at least it removes the headache of having to figure out who I really wanna/can lynch

[Vecna]

So....lets pile on either EJ or Alch.

We need to make a choice and have 30hours left.

Whichever wagon gets biggest, the rest can switch

go

[Titus]

VOTE: EJ

Fine.

[Elsa Jay]

Titus, he literally also explained why it was a good idea to vote Alch, you know I fake claim alot ( I didn't even really commit to the vigi shot to begin with since that same day I changed it to visit Alch instead), and you still go for me.

[Titus]

He literally said Alch or EJ. I don't want Alch. It creates drama as to who Adorable shoots and he's not likely to hit scum. It also makes me conftown and I hate being conftown.

[Elsa Jay]

... so basically kill Alch to confirm you were checked by him then?

[Titus]

Being conftown is hard enough when not depressed. We sacrifice resorces and verifications to do it.

[Bingle]

It also makes me conftown and I hate being conftown.

FWIW it doesn't make you any more conftown than you already are, but you're already pretty conftown. Like 99%.

Alch is either 3p or scum. If Alch is scum you're town because no way are there two scum left. If Alch is 3p there's an argument to be made that he lied about his result, but I already made a big post about why that probably didn't happen (tl;dr it requires Alch to have been playing against his own claimed best interests).

I'm still interested in the reasons behind the Galron townreads, and haven't heard anything particularly compelling.

[Bingle]

Vecna/Galron looks very S/S interactions wise and I don't know how to feel about that, tbh. They can't both be scum, but at the same time ScumVecna has no reason to defend TownGalron like that.

On the other hand, the repeated emphasis on EJ/Galron that's turned into first a push on chkflip and now a push on Alch is just bizarre. Vecna, which posts turned you around wrt Gal?

[Vecna]

I'm to the point where I'm ready to take another look at your Bingle argument if you want to drag that out again.

My main is Adorable, but she's "self-confirming." As I was going through the game a couple of days ago, I ran across a couple of posts where Bingle said no to Logicalisticlist unless it was specifically him and Thun/Adorable. But you guys don't want to touch that slot because of the "self-confirming" nature of it.

Elsa is my number two. Elsa has lied about his role and other things multiple times and now says he's a PGO, which, if true, should have been signaled early on or at least he should have tried to draw a NK. So I don't believe the PGO claim and wouldn't be surprised if he's somehow compatible with Alchemist.

Alch would be my number 3. For several reasons I think we've been over and I don't really have time to flesh out right now.

I don't know. I get the feeling that this game has been lost already. I feel super pessimistic at this point that we're going to make the right decision.

This post felt pretty damn towny to me, and it mirrors my sentiment quite well.

Theres also some interactions with the scum on earlier days, but its nothing too strong

[Vecna]

Regardless, if I was scum, id have plenty of reason to save Galron here now, no?

Pretty easy to pivot later down the line and win against that slot in lylo or w/e

Not whats happening here though

[Vecna]

Also, I really dont see why scum would want to lynch alch here over trying to utilize the slot and keep em around for their vote

[Bingle]

Regardless, if I was scum, id have plenty of reason to save Galron here now, no?

Ah, I was unclear. The interactions that looked S/S were early days, when you wanted EJ or Galron and then pushed chk for pushing Galron while ignoring EJ. 2705 - 2738 or thereabouts. (Note: Vecna consistently wanted to flip EJ first.)

That looks to me like a you/Galron team with you trying to shift the attention away from Galron, but also it can't be a you/Galron team. Hence confusion.

I'm aware that at this point any arguments for another player being town are likely legitimate arguments because only one scum remains.

[Titus]

Why are we so confident only one scum remains when the only wagon to get three votes is set up to ensure both Alch and Adorable get lynched rather than scum?

[Galron]

Spoiler:

Hm. Okay.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

It has been brought to my attention that I'm ignoring you. I wanted to hand wave it away as bullshit, but I know I can't because it's absolutely true. That one time you pocketed the fuck out of me, compounded by that one time we lost to Reck/Tripod scum give me mixed feelings about how to read you at all. So let's do this.

What are your reads?

What is your opinion of the gamestate?

Why are you only claiming Miller now instead of in post one?

How do you feel about the claims in this game?

Hm. Okay.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

It has been brought to my attention that I'm ignoring you. I wanted to hand wave it away as bullshit, but I know I can't because it's absolutely true. That one time you pocketed the fuck out of me, compounded by that one time we lost to Reck/Tripod scum give me mixed feelings about how to read you at all. So let's do this.

What are your reads?

What is your opinion of the gamestate?

Why are you only claiming Miller now instead of in post one?

How do you feel about the claims in this game?

My reads are jumbled at the moment. No solid foundation anyway I look at it.

The gamestate gives way for continuously shifting wagons more then I usually see, though I blame that more on the active players ass disagreeing where to go.

Well I specifically claimed a Gel that isn't helpful to town but I never even claimed to be an IC once. I let day 1 ride like normal. Contriversal claims like that are better day 2 IMO since then you at least have a basis of who did what.

Claims are interesting I guess. I'm paying more attention to those day 3 with more results tho.

My reads are jumbled at the moment. No solid foundation anyway I look at it.

Give me three reads you have.

The gamestate gives way for continuously shifting wagons more then I usually see, though I blame that more on the active players ass disagreeing where to go.

Where do you believe we should go? Why?

Well I specifically claimed a Gel that isn't helpful to town but I never even claimed to be an IC once. I let day 1 ride like normal. Contriversal claims like that are better day 2 IMO since then you at least have a basis of who did what.

Is Gel in the wiki? I've never heard of it.

Claims are interesting I guess. I'm paying more attention to those day 3 with more results tho.

D3 should be fun. At least more fun than whatever this is. But I mean in general, what do you think of them beyond a blanket "interesting"? Do you take them at face value? Do you believe all of them? And I do mean _all_ of them?

Gel is Goo. Alchemist is claiming Gold Goo. I'm a different type from him.

That still doesn't mean anything to me.

You're third party?

I just looked it up. Not necessarily 3p but that's interesting.

Why did you claim?

Gel is definitely a redneck thing. Can confirm.

Elsa I asked more questions please don't ignore me thanks.

I'm at work can't type much only pun

I just looked it up. Not necessarily 3p but that's interesting.

Why did you claim?

Titus asked nicely. That and me claiming now instead of x1 makes it go by faster. Don't like Galron revoting me.

Drives me nuts how easily Elsa squirmed out of not playing a town game.

[Bingle]

Why are we so confident only one scum remains when the only wagon to get three votes is set up to ensure both Alch and Adorable get lynched rather than scum?

If there were 5 scum and two of them could kill in a 16 person then this was never a game to begin with.

[Vecna]

18h left. time for some VCs and consolidation

[DrippingGoofball]

Elsa Jay could be vig'ed.

[DrippingGoofball]

Blast Alch, vig EJ.

Ta-da

[Elsa Jay]

I mean that would bring us to 4 people afterwards if the Vig is true... Not the worst deal I guess since there will be one scum and it won't be our fault we lose since we'll die tonight.

[DrippingGoofball]

Alch will flip scum tho