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[Town looter]

Ok mostly caught up but there are a few sections I still haven't read properly (like 70-82ish I think).

Where my head is at after not paying any attention to Mafia for a while (this is my only game, so nothing doing during freeze) is I am fairly certain there are 1 or 2 experienced scum playing a "wreck havoc" strategy by lots of misinterpretation and OMGUS and keeping it confusing. Basically I am suggesting the opposite of Titus's theory is happening. Scum aren't waiting it out - they are creating havoc through activity and making D1 almost impossible.

Namely, my theory is that town are going to town on each other and scum are waiting it out.

The problem here, though, is this strategy is being beautifully (from scum's POV) confounded with genuine misinterpretations and confusion.

This does support my Scum!Norwegian scenario, so I still think my vote there is ok, but it's not doing anything as I don't think anyone wants to eliminate them. It also moves my read of people like Nero, and more recently 72/Titus towards, er, the scum end of the spectrum.

As such I would be comfortable flipping anyone in [Norwegian, JV, Hiraki (previous reads), Titus, 72].

[Town looter]

"I voted him but he's not scummy" really sells a wagon.

VOTE: titus
I still scumread them.

Something about this really bugs me, but I think I have a SR bias on you Fwesnid for some reason.

[Town looter]

Um.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: 72offsuit but probably willing to move to Titus (although I am pretty uncertain on that slot to be honest...)

[DrDolittle]

VOTE: 72

[DrDolittle]

VOTE: norwwegian
i actually like this more

[Hiraki]

I think this is literally the towniest I've seen Titus in awhile. I agree with 2458 hard.

For everyone saying that 72 scumread ISK earlier, so what? He didn't say more than that. Now that he is, are you going to judge based on WHEN he SR or HOW he SR? I'd rather do the later.

Who is "everyone"?

i think bell started it and then nero joined in so i guess "everyone" is just me lazily not going back in checking, like i'm doing right now. there are 100% people who said it

I really dont understand the resistance to the IKSF wagon.
I think thats telling in its own right.

two posts before this one

best page top ever?

2 days to deadline and your vote is solo on a dead wagon.

im pretty sure this is scum being wrong rather than town being wrong fwiw

Alright so. NPower, SiteFlake, superbowl all scum for naked voting.

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As such I would be comfortable flipping anyone in [Norwegian, JV, Hiraki (previous reads), Titus, 72].

you literally just have the top wagons and me in your flip list

ok

[Bell]

Virgo has a pet peeve about blind votes or votes given without an explanation. I guess he wants people to empty vote and empty quote whoever prompted the wagon or give their own reasons.
Which makes some sense. I think it would be easier and more townie just to ask each one why they voted than just to say stuff at them, but eh.

[Town looter]

Just read pages 70-83, and I would add A50 to the list of people who could be actively confusing the thread (although I do get a fairly strong gut TR on them).

JV looked decently towny during this phase as well. Probably move them out of my flip pool for now.

[Glitch]

That Titus wagon grew grossly fast because scum jumped at the opportunity. And we should take this chance to stop letting scum sheep into an east wagon and all vote Norway.

If this Norway wagon won't pick up I'll join the 72 wagon after the back and forth with Titus. I'll hammer out the details soon with a case but hopefully we just can build this Norway wagon.

[DrDolittle]

Where is a50

[Ydrasse]

i too am vibing with a norway wagon right now. my vote was a good one.

stay strong town, let not this scum inflitrate our ranks.

[Nero Cain]

if the norway wagon happens and flips town we are lynching off of that wagon, no questions asked.

[Nero Cain]

It also moves my read of people

like Nero

, and more recently 72/Titus towards, er,

the scum end of the spectrum

.

ah more OMGUS

im pretty sure this is scum being wrong rather than town being wrong fwiw

Am I scum for any particular reason or is this just OMGUS b/c I questioned Norways town read on you?

in fairness to myself, there WAS an a50 wagon but I guess it just went away and the guy literally wanted me to join his wagon. I'm active and here so I can change my vote as needed. There's a big difference between my vote and the vote of say someone like Glitch that only posts once every blue moon. Not recognizing that difference is very ignorant.

Also, that point is either going

WAY

over your head or you are sorta intentionally misrepping the situation. 72 scum reading IKS matters b/c it explains why he reacted the way he did and Titus not knowing that explains why she reacted the way she did.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Titus

not all that convinced that this is scum but there's some iffy things there and if town she wouldn't be all that helpful

scum is prob in

glitch
town looter
hiraki
yd
stan
iks

[DrDolittle]

You're acting like glitch is doing nothing when he's doing way more than I am

[DrDolittle]

Weird list too

[Hiraki]

Am I scum for any particular reason or is this just OMGUS b/c I questioned Norways town read on you?

i didn't call you scum, the posts were calling out 72. how did you get this mixed up?

[Nero Cain]

You're acting like glitch is doing nothing when he's doing way more than I am

how do you know Glitch is doing anything if you haven't read?

Also, he's really not.

[Hiraki]

like maybe it's late for you but the whole point of those two posts is that 72 is telling you that you're on a dead wagon and you should consolidate but then

two

three posts before that one, 72 is then wondering why his vote, which is still on ISK, isn't gaining any traction as if there's nothing else going on at the moment

i think you've done this multiple times with my posts too though which is why i'm weirded out. i'm still pretty sure you flip town here but cmon, head in the game

I really dont understand the resistance to the IKSF wagon.
I think thats telling in its own right.

His posts are scummy.

He has been on all the biggest wagons:
Glitch, Fwesnid, Titus, myself.
His intent looks like its to get any miskick.

72 comments in 2467 that ISK is scummy and that he isn't sure why the wagon isn't going up

three posts later (originally said 2 but that's a clear error)

best page top ever?

2 days to deadline and your vote is solo on a dead wagon.

we get this which means that he's aware of the situation and almost psuedo-grandstanding at this point about ISK which is also a dead wagon

it doesn't smell like townie thinking to me man

[Nero Cain]

Am I scum for any particular reason or is this just OMGUS b/c I questioned Norways town read on you?

i didn't call you scum, the posts were calling out 72. how did you get this mixed up?

Well, he wasn't calling me scum so what was he "wrong" about?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, if your whole point was 72 was being a hypocrite then fine but "im pretty sure this is scum being wrong rather than town being wrong fwiw" seems like an odd way to state that.

[Hiraki]

there's a valid case to make that 72 did it out of ignorance rather than somewhat intentionally

[72offsuit]

like maybe it's late for you but the whole point of those two posts is that 72 is telling you that you're on a dead wagon and you should consolidate but then

two

three posts before that one, 72 is then wondering why his vote, which is still on ISK, isn't gaining any traction as if there's nothing else going on at the moment

i think you've done this multiple times with my posts too though which is why i'm weirded out. i'm still pretty sure you flip town here but cmon, head in the game

I really dont understand the resistance to the IKSF wagon.
I think thats telling in its own right.

His posts are scummy.

He has been on all the biggest wagons:
Glitch, Fwesnid, Titus, myself.
His intent looks like its to get any miskick.

72 comments in 2467 that ISK is scummy and that he isn't sure why the wagon isn't going up

three posts later (originally said 2 but that's a clear error)

best page top ever?

2 days to deadline and your vote is solo on a dead wagon.

we get this which means that he's aware of the situation and almost psuedo-grandstanding at this point about ISK which is also a dead wagon

it doesn't smell like townie thinking to me man

Nice try at shading me. Titus also had no wagon and look where they are at now. Your argument is garbage.

[Nero Cain]

ugh.

His point is that you were sitting on a vanity wagon while calling me out on unintentionally stitting on a vanity wagon. I say unintentionally b/c there was a a50 wagon so @ the time I voted it was NOT a vanity vote. Its a decent point. However, I still feel like the words Hiraki choose to communicate that were dumb.

[DrDolittle]

People who say ugh are usually town.

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