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[Datisi]

@datisi

if it's literally 'omg i think npow is town because it feels like he was being alligned for a mislynch', then we are done talking about it

I think that's a bullshit read, with respect. It feels so much more like andres is the designated mislynch here.
If there's other actual content that makes you have a strong townread on NPOW then hit me with it but otherwise… I think we flip there

i mean last time (actually last two times) i made a read like that with you in game i was spot on and also town lost both of thosw games so kekw

it's not just that, like he feels chaotic in a way that almost seems hard to fake replicate?

i haven't read the last few pages in detail because i don't have coffee yet but i am gonna have it soon and will be available to Bounce Ideas

[Datisi]

i don't wanna do the "well what conftowns decide" because (1) that's boring (2) uhhh no

ok bullet points, 100 words or less, why is npom scum

and do you agree that aldus/npom are relatively unlikely to be s/s

[Datisi]

i like to think im pretty obv town at this point so anyone trying to say otherwise is fairly scummy to me

koba pal you're not obvtown to me

though like if you have a convincing argument why you're town here i would be very interested in hearing it

[Datisi]

i like to think im pretty obv town at this point so anyone trying to say otherwise is fairly scummy to me

ehh, there is a fine line between "chaotic town who isn't trying to explain their thought process because they don't care how they look but their logic makes sense to them" vs "scum who is plain bullshitting out of their ass" and i don't know why i have such a strong feeling that npom is in the first category rather than the second but i do

but what's the team then

3 of aldus/andres/koba/testa??

[Datisi]

why is that quote there

anyway

But, if you look at NPOM's wagon history + the PoE + maybe NPOM is shading Dats/VPB because he doesn't want either of them confirmed, then I think "NPOM scum, Bob town" makes sense.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

i know i've spoken so much about this goddamn post but
last time i had a feeling about a post like this it was spot on and we ended up losing and i don't want it to happen again

i dunno he's also not being towny i guess?

[Datisi]

but i also hate this because i know if i'm *wrong* scum are just gonna feed into it and sigh.

[Datisi]

oh i see why you don't think it's aldus + npow there

remember in 2119 when mena was scum and made that post saying "i don't want micc today i want pine" (or was it the other way around? doesn't matter) and immediately i snapped like "oh god both micc and pine are town aren't they"

like that's the exact gut reaction i had when reading that post of aldus

"oh god both bob and npom are town aren't they"

but something something anecdotal evidence game difficult etc etc

pedit:aldus/koba/one of testa/andres???? is the PoE??? i don't know????

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Andresvmb (2): Alduskkel, NoPowerOverMe
NoPowerOverMe (2): Andresvmb, Testarossa
Testarossa (2): VP Baltar, DkKoba
Not Voting (3): hellbooks, Datisi, Iconeum

andres moved to aldus, ico voted npom, then unvoted

ico, you said you got the feeling andres was the Designated Misexecute today, right? talk to me about that?

[Datisi]

sorry if i'm making you repeat things, but this game is so much noise that i can't be fucked to dig around

Andresvmb (2): Alduskkel, NoPowerOverMe
NoPowerOverMe (2): Andresvmb, Testarossa
Testarossa (2): VP Baltar, DkKoba
Not Voting (3): hellbooks, Datisi, Iconeum

andres moved to aldus, ico voted npom, then unvoted

ico, you said you got the feeling andres was the Designated Misexecute today, right? talk to me about that?

i am probably putting too much stock in my Big Brain Theory of aldus/andres being s/s like i probably shouldn't be doing prefilps like that we all know how that usually ends (except in like why gun that's like one game where they were decent)

but also also it's day 3 with a narrow PoE and no scumflips and like can we actually avoid doing prefilps at this point?

idk i just don't wanna fucking go to 7p lylo

idk the reason why i don't thnik andres is like the Designated Misexecute is like, how many people were scumreading him in prior days (other than err me)

[Datisi]

the "wide PoE" is {ico, testa, koba, aldus, andres, npom}

we have one more misexe left, meaning we theoretically need to find 2 town in those 6 names and flip everyone else

but that's like, easier said than done, also town EV is currently 20% which is like, pretty fucken shite

[Datisi]

datisi i know ur up at this time >.>

this post was made at 5am my time and the fact thag someone is used to me being awake then shows how much of a mess my sleeping schedule is

datisi i have an unrelated queston but i seen a lot of places ppl call u she/her do u actually go by he/him like on ur profile or how should i refer to u???

uhhh
honestly use whatever atm

also seeing koba complaining about no flip makes me think they didn't do the ~self obvtown case~ i asked so if that could be done that is lovely

also also sorry I'm dragging this out but like aldus is lowkey my preferred vote rn and i wanna hear from him first?

ok bbl with coffee

[Datisi]

But, if you look at NPOM's wagon history + the PoE + maybe NPOM is shading Dats/VPB because he doesn't want either of them confirmed, then I think "NPOM scum, Bob town" makes sense.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

my god how i hate this post

Why?

3042, 3047

felt like scum saying "hey i don't want *this town wagon that will obviously go through* i want *this town wagon that obviously won't*"

want a poe/reads/whatever after you catch up

[Datisi]

@aldus, ok i just ctrl+f "bob" in your iso and the only reasons for bob!town you gave on day two was "if bob is scum he's being bussed that don't make sense?" (2083) and whatever 2161 is supposed to mean

can you rehash your reasons for bob/npom reads? on day two? because yeah i'm feeling your reasoning was bad "on purpose"

@baltar, i dunno......... i'm not...... scumreading ico..... i get i'm wrong somewhere and i hate it
lemme take a look hold on

[Datisi]

just did, some weak defence of her on day one, i don't think it invalidates my point

@koba, yeah i'm here, you can start on that obvtown case

[Datisi]

That being said, you have the most interaction with Ico and I trust you. Just don't want a pocketing thing to cost us the game because most people are trusting your vouch for Ico.

:////

i know. ugh. i know. nO PrEsSuRe. i looked at tess on d2 and it's like... you're saying things that are true but i just don't know how much they make tess scum. like in a way i can relate to the feeling of "everyone is pushing for bob and it's obvious he needs to flip but i really don't believe in this flip"

[Datisi]

honestly my approach to NPOM is p much "ignore all the weird shit and just look at where his votes go"

if I actually tried to analyze his thought processes I'd go mad

pedit: how was my reasoning bad, again?

ok, talk to me about what you thought of his votes

it's not necessarily "bad", it's just... weaksauce? doesn't feel like you believe in it? convenient? i dunno.

[Datisi]

but to not push an alternative you think was better? I have hard time getting into that mindset from a town perspective

i mean... :/

Spoiler: :/

@Datisi, you see what is happening though right? Bob could easily tie it by voting his counterwagon, leaving the decision in the hands of Testarossa. If you think Bob is the better flip, I would consider Unvoting and waiting for Bob to answer whatever questions you posed.

sigh, i hate both of these wagons.

something in me is still saying bob is town. the only reason why i would consider voting him is "info" - either i'm wrong about it or to confirm that the town is probably going very wrong.

npom is like... probably town, but holy shit look at his posts. i think he either gets pushed later on or ends up being swayed into voting town.

both these wagons are town and i hate it.

UNVOTE:

part of me wants to try to save bob because i don't think it's scum. the other part understands enough of the town thinks he's scum that he's gonna be a distraction until he's dead. this is stupid.

of course i could also be wrong on bob. this game...

VOTE: aldus

how long is it gonna be until i chicken out because i don't have the courage to push another wagon through against consensus??? let's find out!!!

UNVOTE:

i'm chickening out

i don't want baltar to yell at me

if that intent is serious (because you never know with koba xD kek) here's to me being wrong and waking up to a scumflip

[Datisi]

something is telling me "that hammer on bob was absolute trash but it's town trash" and uuuuugh

[Datisi]

like bob was always flipping there??? why does npom hammer it like that???? like i've seen town hammer like that so many times???????

my head hurts

[Datisi]

WHY DOES SCUM DO IT THERE WHEN ALREADY UNDER UNCERTAINTY

LIKE THIS FEELS LIKE "SCUM PUSHING ANTI-TOWN TOWNIES" AAAAAAA

[Datisi]

@aldus, err, i guess?

pedit:

[Datisi]

/shrug
they're... convenient
also my reads are a fuckin mess and you're kinda PoE idk lol kek

[Datisi]

also seeing koba complaining about no flip makes me think they didn't do the ~self obvtown case~ i asked so if that could be done that is lovely

koba why were you complaining about me not being here when you're not reading my posts anyway

[Datisi]

what wifom

i'm asking you to show me where you're supposed to be "obvtown"

[Datisi]

the more the day is going the more i'm growing uncertain about koba, thanks for asking

[Datisi]

i am *asking* for more communication

all i'm getting is "if i'm not obvtown to you you're scummy" and "i will deadass self/quit from mafia/delete my account if this person flips green" (which btw, i've heard koba say before, and it *does not* strike confidence that their read is now correct)

[Datisi]

i don't think there is a way in hell town wins this game if this gets down it 7p lylo. i think the plan in that case is then going to be that me and hellbooks pick executions and i don't wanna do that...

sigh.

~*intent to vote aldus*~

i'm always paranoid about E-1s (case in point yesterday) so idk. i don't think i'm voting elsewhere at this point.

[Datisi]

okay, cool.
(1) do the goddamn towncase from where it should be super fucking obvious that you're blatantly town
(2) give your scumcase of testa and why you're suddenly shifted there when you were deadset on aldus/andres and were doubing who si the third

like i don't think i'm asking too much here?????

[Datisi]

is there any particular reason why you're deflecting right now?

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Datisi, can you explain the succinct Aldus case though. You seem to be playing a lot on gut and that does concern me.

what do you mean by concern you btw? i'm assuming it's not concerning you about my alignment...

i dunno. he's always kinda ~in the background~, reads/positioning on wagons looks convenient, the bob!town/npom!scum post i spoke so much about, and the PoE is getting kinda tight and he's not exactly on top?

[Datisi]

It's more that I see this game as being entirely in your hands. I trust you, but there is a lot riding on a gut call.

i know, i know, i don't particularly enjoy this position either. but historically, i've so many times had Correct gut reads, which i then ended up logicing out of and being stupid. and it's like, i guess being right about the bob wagon is giving me more willingness to follow gut than it's due. maybe.

[Datisi]

What about an NPOM yeet?

that's like... my "chaotic anti-town townie that vultures are circling around and at some point will definitely start being pushed by scum" read...

someone did a metadive of him, right? testa, was it you? does he act like this as scum too?

[Datisi]

andres is my spicy (and maybe reachy...) third pick for aldus/koba but i don't think i have enough certainty to go flipping him first of that makes sense? i dunno does town!andres flip help us tomorrow?

[Datisi]

okay, cool.
(1) do the goddamn towncase from where it should be super fucking obvious that you're blatantly town
(2) give your scumcase of testa and why you're suddenly shifted there when you were deadset on aldus/andres and were doubing who si the third

like i don't think i'm asking too much here?????

am i speaking english? is this post in english? is this all a dream? have i been scum all along?

[Datisi]

that doesn't explain why you switched from your earlier theories
that doesn't explain why you think testa is scum again

pedit: what cases have you presented
all your cases amounted to "read their iso" or "testa is hedging"

[Datisi]

I just need you to trust me.

????
(1) i'm not townreading you (2) even if i was, that doesn't make you town over literally hellbooks, and it also doesn't mean your reads are correct, so why would i?

[Datisi]

I get if ur still not seeing how npom is town but to be obtuse and still not see how im town is very frustrating

i have literally been arguing about npom being town for like two game days now?????

like, all i'm askign you to do is to tell me why you're town. i don't see it. if it's true, i'm asking you to help me see it. this is a part of mafia. if you're frustrated, take a walk, chill.

[Datisi]

scum!koba wouldn't be the only scum though...

pedit: @baltar

[Datisi]

what's the big difference between "stanning for NPOM" and "pushing for testa"?

[Datisi]

/shrug, i don't see that as really clearing. individual scum will take strong stances townreading townies sometimes.

[Datisi]

i'd be lying if i said their last posts don't give off a scummy AtE vibe to me...

i dunno. this game is a mess.

[Datisi]

what is scum wifom that you're avoiding here?

[Datisi]

Solve is probably Andres/test/icon with the way they are aligning together. They are acting desperate in a non town way. The behavioral differences seem pretty obvious to me.

can you talk about this? like, where is ico seeming desperate?

[Datisi]

i love how at this point in game we're lowkey pointing at any interaction between unconfirmed players and going "is this scum theater?" (imagine the meme of a dude pointing at a butterfly)

this has been your local Town Mason not being helpful

[Datisi]

VOTE: aldus

town cannot win this game
gentlemen, it has been a priviledge playing with you tonight

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:

fucking hell fuck me

koba why aren't you trying to work with me goddammit i'm trying to offer you a hand of... work together ness

[Datisi]

i confess

it was me all along

please give me the sweet release of death

[Datisi]

i need
r e a s o n s
to include koba in the townblocc

[Datisi]

because you share a scum PT?

[Datisi]

that wasn't serious if that wasn't obvious. but like. i'm genuinel trying to work with you here. i don't want half-answers like that. please.

[Datisi]

did y'all know this is the first game in my mafiascum career that i'm avoiding and that i am town in

wild huh

how painful are the last 3 pages?

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what are my fellow masons talking about

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datisi can i get one of your triangles?

my triangle for this game is in the trash whERE IT BELONGS

[Datisi]

Snow

:

GB

,

Baltar

,

Datisi

, Ico,

hellbooks

, Koba
Testa: Koba,

Datisi

, Aldus, Andres, NPOM,

janko

bob

:

Baltar

,

hellbooks

, Andres,

janko

, NPOM, (Koba)

janko

:

Datisi

,

bob

, Testa, Ico,

Billy

,

GB

, Aldus

these were the wagons on day one. we know ~for a fact~ there's scum in {koba, aldus, anres, npom}, the unconfirmed on testa's wagon on day one

is it likely that scum!testa was being bussed as a counterwagon to town!snow?

[Datisi]

datisi who are you willing to vote for out of (NPOM, Andres, Testa)?

/shrug
that's your solve right now?

[Datisi]

VOTE: aldus
i'm assuming nobody will be jumping ship from one to the other right now????

this is so if hellbooks has a some sorta epiphany about aldus being scum she can hammer there without waiting for me to wake up

i don't have hope that testa flips scum here but i also don't have hope for this game in general so maybe i'll get pleasantly surprised. sigh.

[Datisi]

i'm almost impressed how both of us managed to screw up our night actions so spectacularly.

i'm out for the next ~10 hours but will be on till deadline if it comes down to that. though i'm unsure i'll be able to pull off a case better than ~*gut*~.

[Datisi]

when confirmed masons are publicly disagreeing with each other and are on seperate competing wagons

the game is already over

i don't know if i should be laughing or crying

[Datisi]

i have never in my life wanted this bad to be proven wrong about a flip

[Datisi]

HOLY SHIT

[Datisi]

@town
you're welcome for me having a correct townread of ico
i'm sorry for everything else...

[Datisi]

;_;

[Datisi]

@raya thank you for modding

my god this was a beautiful shitfest and i'd play with any of you again

[Datisi]

i have no redactions in the mason PT

also i apologize for any mean comments towards anyone y'all are beautiful

[Datisi]

he wasn't there because of you, koba <3

[Datisi]

ico yelling at the masonry after we split votes is my favourite thing ever

pedit: i admit i completely fucked the balance on this one
but after being used to so many townsided setups, this was actually a breath of fresh air

[Datisi]

and i was so mad about people pushing obvtown ico for shit reasons, funny how that works out

[Datisi]

no shit no team in aldus/andres/koba/ico/npom/testa made sense

yknow next time someone takes half an hour to respond to my guilty and then says they got no result on the person that died i'mma ust hang them

[Datisi]

if i recall the normal guidelines correctly (i modded a few normals), when flipping a JOAT, you can either flip their abilities or not flip them, but it has to be decided by the designers before the game goes live

[Datisi]

baltar, at the time of my guilty, were you actually walking your dog?

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[Datisi]

well you made me stay up all night to claim the guilty, so i think it's fair

pedit: wow, and the whole time i was worried that the leadership role *was* going to get me killed. funny how that works.

[Datisi]

i also thought that was weird but i didn't wanna press it on because i kinda took the original post to mean "i copped bailey, he's obviously not in a PT, and i don't have a useful result"

don't play mafia when sleep deprived

[Datisi]

npom can you please say "no redactions" so that raya can open the scum PT

[Datisi]

i also thought that was weird but i didn't wanna press it on because i kinda took the original post to mean "i copped bailey, he's obviously not in a PT, and i don't have a useful result"

don't play mafia when sleep deprived

You are being way too hard on yourself in the game and the dead PT. I thought you played a very solid game as town leadership. Yes, I benefited off your shielding and should have been pressed harder, but I think without your organization, the game would have been more chaotic and scum probably would have benefited more. You being hard town Ico all game (which really carried on after your death) made the PoE exceptionally small and is really one of the main factors that did us in at the end.

thank you, i appreciate it! i very soon realized that (1) ico is town and (2) this game was on the track to turn into a shitshow, and just tried my hardest to stop a town implosion, worked out decently it seems

[Datisi]

i think datisi wanted icon to be like a "decoy mason" by hard townreading him but since we know that icon has no PT access...

;_;