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[Billy Pilgrim]

TW is billy just scum here?

I'm not just scum, in fact I'm not scum at all. I'm in over my head probably since I have little to no experience with most of this playerlist and this is my fourth game back to the site after like a 9 month hiatus (or what felt like 9 months). Honestly I dont know how much help I'm gonna be because until we get flips I look for logical progressions and that doesn't work all that great on D1 and it works even worse against players that play mostly by gut. So I dont know. I feel like Una is hiding a bit in response to those questions and rather than voting me when he thought i was "building a case" stayed on Sirius and just shaded me. Now maybe thats town that just really doesn't want the sirius slot around in LYLO (I get that) but maybe its also scum that can set me up for a mis-elim after whatever Sirius happens to flip. After all, if Sirius was a scum slot he could have been building town cred (though it looks like S_S and ducky were onto that so I dont know how successful its gonna be) but even if it flips town, he doesnt lose any town cred.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I don't think Norwegian is scum here, he has been Townie tbh?
@mod what is ur definition of a substantive post?

Like, you're not a jester, since its a normal, so what are you doing here? This doesnt help any win con the way your playing.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

TW is billy just scum here?

I'm not just scum, in fact I'm not scum at all. I'm in over my head probably since I have little to no experience with most of this playerlist and this is my fourth game back to the site after like a 9 month hiatus (or what felt like 9 months). Honestly I dont know how much help I'm gonna be because until we get flips I look for logical progressions and that doesn't work all that great on D1 and it works even worse against players that play mostly by gut. So I dont know. I feel like Una is hiding a bit in response to those questions and rather than voting me when he thought i was "building a case" stayed on Sirius and just shaded me. Now maybe thats town that just really doesn't want the sirius slot around in LYLO (I get that) but maybe its also scum that can set me up for a mis-elim after whatever Sirius happens to flip. After all, if Sirius was a scum slot he could have been building town cred (though it looks like S_S and ducky were onto that so I dont know how successful its gonna be) but even if it flips town, he doesnt lose any town cred.

None of these are reasons for why you are not scum here.

[Sirius9121]

I'm playing devil's advocate to work out whether you actually think this is a valid useful thing to do as town. I don't think I'm actually going to divine his alignment out of his meme demeanor but he pocketed me irl by claiming vegetarian

I love my meat.
I ate duck in a Chinese restaurant once, damn it was good.

I have a confession to make, i’ve never liked football.
Sry Billy.

I like that post.
I think Una is town.
Let’s make a Nordic alliance to start the game off brother.

I was arguing and being pissed off at Una in another game and we were both town. Granted, Una might still be scum since i think they act like this all the time. But i think it’s town indicative for Lillith.

Nep, what’s your thoughts on InnocentVillager?

That was such a weird comment to make that i wanna go here for now.
VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

I guess Worst is town. They’re posting a lot.

I’d vote S_S / Nep / Billy as of right now.
But not Una / Four

That’s my definition of PoE.

not_mafia, Mafia, has been cited for beinng alive

Do you literally not care that you're going to become the lynch today because you haven't done anything useful?

Newbie 2022.
I was amazed to see that Sirius actually posted reads in that game and was at least somewhat concerned with looking good. Which basically is a world of difference from what he’s done here so far.
So why did you say: "he’s basically done the same thing as here?" @Foureyes?
Game —> viewtopic.php?p=12017848&user_select%5B ... #p12017848

And i’ve never voted Sirius.
Isn’t that strange for someone you apparently believe put him on the "bottom" of their reads list?

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[the worst]

@sirius, assume i'm an alien who literally has no idea how to play mafia (you would be correct):
how are those posts town indicative for nor?

[Sirius9121]

@sirius, assume i'm an alien who literally has no idea how to play mafia (you would be correct):
how are those posts town indicative for nor?

attitude

[the worst]

what if i told u
nor is a sassy binch as scum too

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

big true

[osuka]

I don't think Norwegian is scum here, he has been Townie tbh?
@mod what is ur definition of a substantive post?

game-related posts that are more than one sentence. The bar is really not that high, and you had 48h and two PM reminders (plus the prod) to ask me about it before we got to this point.

some players post walls - you don't have to. I hardly ever post walls myself, and all you need to do is post a reasonable amount of original content (i.e., not "I'm sheeping X", "I think Y is scum", or "Z is good at mafia").

For examples, see 2255 from Una and the sequence of posts starting in 2262, ending in 2271 from Norwe.

[osuka]

Waterdispenser requests to replace Sirius9121;

they will join the game when they confirm their role PM.

Sirius9121 may no longer post in-thread as of this post.

[lilith2013]

thank the lord

[Something_Smart]

This was a very weird way to handle replacements.

[lilith2013]

like an AI way or just weird from a modding standpoint?

[Something_Smart]

From a modding standpoint. To say that you don't like the mod interference of judging whether a post was substantive, and then replacing someone for making non-substantive posts anyway, and then allow them to post up until the moment a replacement is found but not cancel the replacement...

But that's a discussion for postgame.

[the worst]

i was just starting to get thirsty.

[lilith2013]

[innocentvillager]

I did not have time today sorry, tomorrow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

3) The slot could possibly self-resolve at some point down the road - replacement or vigkill being possibilities for removing deadweight slots.

[osuka]

From a modding standpoint. To say that you don't like the mod interference of judging whether a post was substantive, and then replacing someone for making non-substantive posts anyway, and then allow them to post up until the moment a replacement is found but not cancel the replacement...

But that's a discussion for postgame.

Feel free to PM me if you wanna talk about this. I'll also be here postgame to discuss the circumstances around this and answer any questions folks might have.

[UnaBombaH]

This is interesting, considering that Nep clearly softed VT and that's why my vote is still on her.

Well, see here.

What happens if we lynch Nep D1 and they flip town?
What happens if we push them to L-1 and they claim a PR?

Notice how these are two separate points I wrote.
My read on Nep at that time was basically "PR or scum".
And because of the posts you also noted, I was leaning scum over town.
Didn't change the fact that I knew they were going to claim PR - truthful claim or not.

[UnaBombaH]

Ummm you must be misremembering. I went back and checked. You died at night in that game, and I was trusting you until you did. I never followed scum-Boon, I didn't vote on any of the scum-led mis-exe wagons, and I was voting scum-Ari for the majority of the game.

Well, then I guess that might be where my respect for your brains comes from.

[UnaBombaH]

I was purposely trying to sound like a VT bc unlike what most of site meta seems to think softing your pr all over the place is fucking dumb

This has truly backfired on me only once, and even there I was scum, not town.
My only guidelines that I give to myself, are that I avoid crumbing hard (or at all) when I'm a protective.
If it's a less useful role but can help me become a "named townie" -> heavy crumbing.
If it's an investigative role -> heavy crumbing.
Although my heavy crumbing is always complicated and planned out..

[UnaBombaH]

So either the team is within us four, or there's at least one deep wolf in the townreads if not more.

Would you look at that.
That's why I'm so worried there's actually scum within S_S/lilith/BuDucky.

[UnaBombaH]

Ok, do you have any reason to think I'm capable of being a deeper wolf?

Again, like BuDucky already guessed - not thinking about you.
But the way you have already been able to mix up your posting, makes me more worried about the slots I have been townbinning.

[UnaBombaH]

If you feel like im the type of player that censors my posts do I also quick vote before you answered my questions? Because that doesn't come from the same playstyle like ever.

And youre using these seemingly conflicting styles as both reasons that im scum when i dont get how that makes sense. Im either cautious scum, or I just voted you because I was building to it and didn't care that I left questions out without answers. That doesn't seem like it can come from the same scum mentality.

Now you're just twisting my words for a narrative.

Censoring your posts has nothing to do with you voting me before I come back.
Censoring your posts shows signs of caution and wariness towards what you want to say.
Voting me before I come back is just a gameplay decision - it might seem hasty, but might just as well be planned out.
Those two types of actions don't have a contradiction in playstyle since they could both be a result of premeditation, but the other just seems sudden. (at least if one were to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you might actually be town).