Large Normal 229 | Manatee's Musical Mafia | Game Over

[superbowl9]

Ok fine.
We’re lynching MM most likely anyway. Can worry about Glitch later.

Exactly, this is best-case scenario. We get a conf scum elim, which is like the only way to delay this fullclaim in a manner that doesn’t require us to trust glitch

[Marshmallow Marshall]

welcome Nero Cain. You are a

town disloyal roleblocker.

Nero was probably on me last night.

That... is a terrible post. Unless there's something from Nero that I missed, since he was disloyal, the only way for you to know is to be scum xD

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ok fine.
We’re lynching MM most likely anyway. Can worry about Glitch later.

Exactly, this is best-case scenario. We get a conf scum elim, which is like the only way to delay this fullclaim in a manner that doesn’t require us to trust glitch

Uhuhuhuhuhuhuh since when is my lynch the best case scenario lol?

[Titus]

Ok fine.
We’re lynching MM most likely anyway. Can worry about Glitch later.

Exactly, this is best-case scenario. We get a conf scum elim, which is like the only way to delay this fullclaim in a manner that doesn’t require us to trust glitch

Uhuhuhuhuhuhuh since when is my lynch the best case scenario lol?

Any reason why you aren't confscum here?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Alright.. I did try to read the thread... here's how it went:

Spoiler: This is as far as I went before switching the approach

Why do you feel the need to put "reason" next to every vote you make?

Why do you need to ask?

He was making a joke. Not a good one, but it's Bell. You have to make allowances.

Cruel

TBH, at the start of my catch up I had the intention to give my all to impress SJReaver more. She seems to have given me more credit that I deserve and it gave me a boost (if someone's not following I refer them to post #38).

However, as I kept reading I realized there's no way I'm going to match my performance in that game here. Not even close. Over there I had multiple flips and many players I was familiar with. Here I have at least 9 players I've never played with before, and only 5 that I have played more than twice with (make that 6 if you count Ydrasse's predecessors).

Furthermore, SJR replacing out killed the main motive I had to go all in. It' unlikely that I would impress someone like Norwee for instance ( )

Finally, it becomes harder and harder to format the listing if "every possible team" with 5/19 (myself and offsuit are auto-excluded already), so I decided to do it another way, so I am mainly townhunting unless something jumps out at me as an obvious scum move.

Anyway, off to work:

My TRs -in no particular order- include: Pickaxe, Looter, Ydrasse, Bell, Glitch, superbowl, DoLittle, Reaver,

Note: The list was edited and reordered (randomized, actually) several times to conceal the "when and why". I stopped @page "twenty something".

Other reads:

Nero is "probably town" but only because I know Nero. His content is as scummy as always. One example is taking advantage of superbowl's garammatical mistake (not using a separator after "Disagree" in post 45 and clipping out the second sentence (which made it clear what SB was saying was the opposite of what Nero nade it look like he was saying). (This also happened from NPOM with Looter in post 67 right above Nero's)

Titus is

suspicious

because of her claim

. Why the hell would a Babysitter never claim their role? NOT EVEN IF I WAS PUT @L-1 would I be claiming that. If you're town, you KNOW you're a prime NK target. I know determining your target is WIFOM at best, but it's far more likely you'll be on TOWN on N1.

As scum, the Babysitter claim discourages any Vig shots on them.

Still, it's Titus, so I don't have a confident SR there. Just a FoS.

Fwesnid's claim is likely Town. I can see how it could be a Scum GS, but I am leaning Town still.

Hiraki is likely Town too, but I have no strong argument to support it.

Of the remaining six (Norwee aside) I dislike NPOM the most, but I have nothing good to say about the rest of them.

Norwee I still don't like, but he doesn't make much sense as scum with most of this PoE pool, so I dunno anymore.

Lifting the burden of proficiency, heh?
Understandable move as either alignment I guess.

Why I felt the need to ask SJR about her "Reason:" stuff? Because it's overly formal and justify-y, and that is often scummy.

I like the "other reads" section and actually agree with most of them, or at least with the principle behind them (the Nero read really rings a bell to me, for example, given the "I townread him but only because I know him" part). As for Titus, I agree that in a world of absolutes and of perfect human beings, Titus is very scummy for that claim (I had to check what a Babysitter was ), but since we aren't in this world and that humans can make mistakes, I think it's actually not so weird. Weird claims like these often come from confused townies or really, really new scum, and I don't think she's a really, really new scum.

As for the unexplained townreads, can you elaborate a bit on Looter, Bell and DoLittle? I have iffy feelings about Looter, think that Bell is towny and contributing as well as he can, and no read at all on DoLittle, but I don't know how you came to your conclusions here.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ok fine.
We’re lynching MM most likely anyway. Can worry about Glitch later.

Exactly, this is best-case scenario. We get a conf scum elim, which is like the only way to delay this fullclaim in a manner that doesn’t require us to trust glitch

Uhuhuhuhuhuhuh since when is my lynch the best case scenario lol?

Any reason why you aren't confscum here?

Uh yes, I have a green rolecard lol. Any reason why I should be confscum in your eyes?

[Titus]

Uh yes, I have a green rolecard lol. Any reason why I should be confscum in your eyes?

Because Fwneswid claims you have a gun...and your reaction was to ignore it after being informed of what a gunsmith does...

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Marshmallow Marshall

[Almost50]

I'd like A50 to claim, solely because of the gunsmith check.

You're playing even worse than you did when you claimed PGO in a Normal!

[Glitch]

MM were you visited by Fwes last night?

VOTE: MM

[Almost50]

One of the best ways to use the role is to target someone and try to force them to claim VT and then you’d know they’re mafia fake claiming. (I’ve successfully done this once)

OH! Why didn't THAT occur to me?

@Virgo: I claim VT.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

*Magnet Noises*

Actual thoughts coming this evening don't have time now.

Why wouldn't you drop in your results?

Magnet noises is reference to our pr hunting skills as in I found a gun.
Not (Read: shouldn't be) my job to say who.

Does it not make sense that scum killing Nero is intended to set up a lynch on me or glitch?

I don't feel like lynching a claimed or today.

Nero wanted stanley dead I think.
VOTE: stanley

I just think this is a terrible reason to vote for me. How often do scum kill the person who scum reads them for the intention of getting them off their case? Just leads a trail back to them surely

Why would scum not kill Nero? It is an advantageous way to get D2 townies to turn on me and Stanley. That would be the most smart move. Why is it scummy to recognize that that setup is not a bad idea for scum?

These look both coordinated and unnatural.

Hmmm, if I were to take a guess, I would say Titus is town, Fwesnid is scum, and Glitch is ???

Fwesnid not releasing results screams of "I need time to talk to my scum team about strategy".

VOTE: Fwesnid

You have already forgotten I'm loud in favor of calling me scum.
(Your progression on me makes 0 sense.)

I'd argue Glitch is worse. But ok. If not Fwesnid or Glitch, then who?

Titus??? Your last few posts have been if not straight scummy definitely crazy

Yeah, I am well out of my depth on this one. Reason I flip-flopped on Titus was I thought the babysitter claim seemed more reasonable given IKS confirming, and the sequence on the bottom of page 111 seemed towny (especially since I seem to have a strong bias in my Fwesnid read).

But something is definitely not adding up. So far we have:

• A watcher (now dead, confirmed town)
  
• A beefed up roleblocker (now dead, confirmed town)
  
• A 3-shot gunsmith
  
• A babysitter
  
• A delayed, but supposedly powerful, mystery PR
  
• A vigilante or other secondary kill mechanism

This seems like a lot, would I be right in saying it's almost certain that there is scum in [Glitch, Fwesnid, Titus]?

pedit: I think SB answered my question

I think this setup is totally possible w/ 5 scum but to hit 4/5 of those PRs D/N1 is a little hard to believe, especially because Fwesnid and titus were kinda random pushes by me. Either someone's lying or we have a 6th scum

"were kinda random pushes by me" just

screams

catching scum.

My expectation is that roughly half of town would have a power role, so I don't think it's too much power, though can agree it's very unlucky if all real.

If you get vigged wouldn't that kill the person you babysat? If I was vigi I'd rather shoot a quickhammerer who is probably going to be elimmed ASP anyways than try for you (although I do think you would make a marginally better shot than the avg)

Yes. It would. I felt it was much more likely that I would be vigged, given my state, than guessing the nightkill correctly. Does it mean that either would happen? No. I made a judgment call. If I wasn't widely suspected or townread, I would go for the heal.

This looks like a town mindset to me.


Would vote stan1ey here but I should see what my check says first.

Ohohhoho I think I get it now UNVOTE: gotta read a bit more.

You think Nero got both Glitch and Stan, and that they're coordinating to pull the push away from them? To me, it just looks like two players being pushed and holding the save view: that the reasons for which they're being pushed are bad.

What about Looter's progression on you makes no sense? I don't think the progression of

anyone

on you can be described as making no sense, since you've been a slot labelled as "to solve later/mechanically" yesterday.

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

Ah yes,

loud

gunsmith. VOTE: Fwesnid

Unless someone claimed to have recieved a gun from him, my vote goes there.
Loud modifier:

The Loud modifier makes it so if Player A targets Player B at night, Player B will be informed that they were targeted by Player A but not what action was taken. For example, if Player A was a Loud Cop and used it on Player B, Player B would be notified that they were targeted by Player A, but not that they used cop.

A loud gunsmith is immediatly confirmable, since the target will recieve feedback of both having been gifted a gun and having been visited by the player. No feedback on this either means that Fwesnid is scum or that he is town who targeted scum, in which case the vigi (very likely to exist since we have two kills, and Pete looks like a prime vigi target to me given his hammer lol) can shoot the scum at night once Fwesnid says who he targeted.

~~

I am very selfishly happy that Nero died, because he was a big issue in my reads, seeing his flip. Guess we should look at Glitch a bit more closely, although I still don't get Nero's case on him.

That’s not what gunsmith does on this site, confused me too

Oh... okay so it's a gun detector. Why not call it a gun detector then, or "Firearms Inspector" like its "alias" in the wiki page then xD

Aaaaanyway. That is a lot less confirmable than I thought, because there isn't really a way to find his real role out unless he actually catches someone with a gun. That actually brings the question "why did his wagon die yesterday?", though, since people who know that know that it's pretty hard to confirm.

Death death death.
VOTE: Marshmallow Marshall

First Post: Nothing about having been the one visited, no reason to hide me being confscum if that's what you think the role is.
Second Post: After learning what the role does there is nothing about being caught with a gun when you know you've been caught with a gun.

VOTE: Marshmallow Marshall

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Uh yes, I have a green rolecard lol. Any reason why I should be confscum in your eyes?

Because Fwneswid claims you have a gun...and your reaction was to ignore it after being informed of what a gunsmith does...

VOTE: Marshmallow Marshall

MM were you visited by Fwes last night?

VOTE: MM

Ayyy so I was right to conclude that by reading Fwesnid's wallpost lol. I didn't see his claim of having checked me tho, sorry for being a bit slow, I'm not caught up.

So uh, it's a little bit strange, because I was not notified of anything last night... but I do have a gun. I'm a vigilante, and shot Pickaxe Pete last night for rather obvious reasons. I have 2 breadcrumbs btw, let me quote them.

AND UNVOTE ME YE FOOLS

[superbowl9]

Nah too late for that buddy

If you actually shot pete don’t CC this

[Almost50]

MM was my target.

I was going for a useful innocent.

Then why did A50 claim he was targeted?

Because it makes it easier for the target (if town) to signal to Fwesnid without scum noticing it. If the target is scum (as it looks like it is now) they'd be confused and more likely to make a mistake than reveals their true alignment.

P.S. And.. I am lowkey ashamed to say I thought someone I TR's hinted it was them too. OBVIOUSLY I was wrong, but it still worked out for the best.

[JacksonVirgo]

This might just be a sort by post count game.

As ive been saying

Does that mean I'm lock-town? plzplzplz

You gotta fill out your application to the town block or you can just join the scum block too

Where's the application.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd like A50 to claim, solely because of the gunsmith check.

You're playing even worse than you did when you claimed PGO in a Normal!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I said that never happened, and no I'm not

[superbowl9]

Yep good play. MM def just check with scum chat and they told him to claim vigi to out another PR. Lets elim this

Pedit: you can send it to Bell, he’s our admissions officer

[JacksonVirgo]

Would it be safer to let the real vigi shoot them if real (and risk them being GF/immune) or eliminate them?

[JacksonVirgo]

@Bell, I request the legal document to become into the town block.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hello, I exist. More catch-up to do, it seems.

Had a feeling the MM omgus was coming if I waited long enough

I think MM's spew is kinda IIoAy

Not in the traditional way but more in the just put out a bunch of basic level argumentation thats really low hanging fruit type of way if you get me - not saying it's AI yet

Discrediting 2 pages of my content without any quotes and labelling them as IIoA and OMGUS? Nice

Yeah your 2 pages are just basic information and not really things that are pushy/pushable, hence why it's IIoA.

I know you want me to go point by point through so you can undermine my position, but that literally makes no sense because I'm saying you've been cluttering the thread with basic info. Why would I respond to/elaborate upon that basic info lol?

Also dude you have literally OMGUSed everyone who has slighted you. Idk why you view this as a "discredit" because (at least imo) OMGUS is pretty NAI in most cases but it's just funny to point out when you OMGUS scumread someone then say they're OMGUSing.

V

ery convenient for you lol, you get to not explain your reads!

I

think that's what you wanted, hm?

G

reat discredit again, btw.

I

'd like you to at least back it up A BIT with some quotes, if you don't mind.

Back then, I was planning on shooting Superbowl (hence why it was in reply to him), but then my read changed. I made another post that I cannot find that was either replying directly to Offsuit or talking about him in which I made the same code (the capital letters of each sentence start spell "VIGI"), since I planned on shooting him. But then he was lynched before I could come to the thread, and Pickaxe Pete's hammer and general lack of content was just... eww, and the info obtained by lynching him would have been basically zero since noone really interacted with him, perhaps minus about me because of my early game super-weak townread on him, so I shot him.

[Almost50]

So A50 claims he was targeted by someone with loud modifier and he has a gun.

Norwee.. I claim LOTS of things. My playstyle is closest to FL's. I have claimed or crumbed at least SIX roles/actions/being targeted so far. I will now rescind that visit by the loud visitor since it's no longer needed.

But I still may have been RB's, may have a gun, or may be a VT (I just added that one while responding to Virgo earlier). More importantly: I could be lying about ALL the above. Ex: I could legit be a Tracker/Watcher who got a useful result and don't feel like outing it yet. Or I could be a Neapolitan who managed to identify a Vanilla Townie. Shall I go on?

[JacksonVirgo]

Hello, I exist. More catch-up to do, it seems.

Had a feeling the MM omgus was coming if I waited long enough

I think MM's spew is kinda IIoAy

Not in the traditional way but more in the just put out a bunch of basic level argumentation thats really low hanging fruit type of way if you get me - not saying it's AI yet

Discrediting 2 pages of my content without any quotes and labelling them as IIoA and OMGUS? Nice

Yeah your 2 pages are just basic information and not really things that are pushy/pushable, hence why it's IIoA.

I know you want me to go point by point through so you can undermine my position, but that literally makes no sense because I'm saying you've been cluttering the thread with basic info. Why would I respond to/elaborate upon that basic info lol?

Also dude you have literally OMGUSed everyone who has slighted you. Idk why you view this as a "discredit" because (at least imo) OMGUS is pretty NAI in most cases but it's just funny to point out when you OMGUS scumread someone then say they're OMGUSing.

V

ery convenient for you lol, you get to not explain your reads!

I

think that's what you wanted, hm?

G

reat discredit again, btw.

I

'd like you to at least back it up A BIT with some quotes, if you don't mind.

Back then, I was planning on shooting Superbowl (hence why it was in reply to him), but then my read changed. I made another post that I cannot find that was either replying directly to Offsuit or talking about him in which I made the same code (the capital letters of each sentence start spell "VIGI"), since I planned on shooting him. But then he was lynched before I could come to the thread, and Pickaxe Pete's hammer and general lack of content was just... eww, and the info obtained by lynching him would have been basically zero since noone really interacted with him, perhaps minus about me because of my early game super-weak townread on him, so I shot him.

Bruh

[Almost50]

A50 is a professional troll.

VOTE: MM

THANK YOU. (I seriously consider this to be a compliment)