Mini Normal 2160 | FIA Group B | Endgame

[Something_Smart]

idk how the worst plays maf so I'd be inclined to take SS's word for it but it still feels pockety to me

Well, if you're town, then yeah my point is it's pocketing/whiteknighting.

[Billy Pilgrim]

We know that there is an RB from the issues before, and we also now know that there's a rolestopper and possibly a tracker, though the results could have been faked with the way the day played out. I just think this is a play to get that slot into the night 2, specifically.

do we know there's an rb?

Slip?

[Billy Pilgrim]

Lilith where's your brain river flowing
I feel like you're throwing a lot of questions and cursory observations out but I really don't have a good sense of why you're throwing these out / what the responses and answers are like..doing for your solve

trying to figure out whether you’re scum

I think im pocketed at this point. Im willing to trust that the duck is town. If hes scum then eff me if we get to ELO.

[Something_Smart]

Slip?

Doubtful.

[lilith2013]

I feel like it's possible that scum!plus made the mistake of messing up the claim and scum!duck attempted to save that slot by saying the claim-messup was towny, but then had to reverse the townread as other people voiced suspicions of scum!plus

[lilith2013]

in short, I think I'm just scumreading duck now

[Billy Pilgrim]

I can see an attempt at town motivation in the fakeclaim. it makes sense to try and draw scum attention in this setup. nightkills on a vt are cool, roleblocks on a vt are cool. I'm pretty null about the neap claim outside of thinking it was SILLY.

Okay, so why did he make a claim that would require him to invent a result before he even had a chance to get NK'd...?

He didn't. He gated it to n2. Amd he drew attention to it with minimal pressure on d2. So I think he actually did what youre saying he didn't.

I think the more interesting piece here is ducky saying that it makes sense to try and draw scum attention in this setup when a vt would be someone with literally no information about this setup.

[lilith2013]

duck has the highest post count in the game and I still don’t have any posts I can immediately recall for which my brain-response was “oh yeah, ~vibing~“

[lilith2013]

He didn't. He gated it to n2. Amd he drew attention to it with minimal pressure on d2. So I think he actually did what youre saying he didn't.

sorry, are you saying that the neapolitan claim is +town or +scum?

[PlusJOYED]

Maybe, but I was sussed out hard by everyone including the worst. Why would scum worst try to express a TR on me then backpedal?

[Something_Smart]

I feel like it's possible that scum!plus made the mistake of messing up the claim and scum!duck attempted to save that slot by saying the claim-messup was towny, but then had to reverse the townread as other people voiced suspicions of scum!plus

But he was on the screw Zombie train from the beginning of the day. What would motivate him to try to save the slot right when it had done something weird and attention-drawing?

[Something_Smart]

He didn't. He gated it to n2. Amd he drew attention to it with minimal pressure on d2. So I think he actually did what youre saying he didn't.

But we have a protective, which also conveniently protects against roleblocks...

[lilith2013]

I don't know, I'm bad at this gameeeee

[lilith2013]

I still think plus is probably the best elimination for today and then I can sort out whether I'm just being crazy/paranoid about duck tomorrow

[lilith2013]

also note that duck immediately voted nepenthes (thereby leaving the zombie wagon) as soon as zombie claimed.

[lilith2013]

even though, by duck's own admission, neapolitan is not required to be a town role

[lilith2013]

Okay, what unambiguous things has the slot done that you are using to read it then?

expressed a bunch of cute fluffy reads
had really slow trajectory
the claim setup, claim & reveal
notjoyed's iso is already more game focused than zombapoc's

also this post bothers me

[lilith2013]

I mean the recalibration of Nep's claim is convenient. Particularly if Una had the email before the pause that NAR was used. But im not in Osuka's mind so maybe Nep did get a result.

So claim wise we have FED as informed, Nep tracker, Una rolestopper, flipped Pookie as rolecop.

Then we've got Zombie claiming gated neapolitan which plus retracted and claimed vt and i claimed vt yesterday. So that leaves like 5 slots left (S_S, duck, forpy, lillith, and N_M).

I want to reiterate my request for S_S meta on D1 policy elims. Also S_S was was 1607 referencing. When had you said that about Lillith? Lillith, you can answer too.

leaves 5 slots left for what? No one is confirmed town just for claiming a PR

@billy can you answer this too

[Billy Pilgrim]

He didn't. He gated it to n2. Amd he drew attention to it with minimal pressure on d2. So I think he actually did what youre saying he didn't.

sorry, are you saying that the neapolitan claim is +town or +scum?

I'm not saying that the claim in isolation is either +town or +scum. Im talking about the circumstances both of ducky's comments on it and S_S's. Like S_S was scumreading the fakeclaim because he would have to fake a result before eating the nk, but thats not the case. He crumbed D1 for any perceptive eyes that were searching then when he didn't eat the nk he brought it up under pretty minimal pressure and said it was gated to n2 and n3. In other words, he wouldn't have had to fake a result. Either scum kills him and flips him or wastes a roleblock. Or if they don't he comes clean on D3.

So maybe im coming around to think that the claim itself is plus town. My main concern here is ducky's comment though. Hes saying that it makes sense to draw scum's attention in this setup. But like if its a fakeclaim, which ducky seems to be saying, Zombie wouldn't have known the setup. So that comment doesn't make any sense. In fact it only makes sense if ducky knows the setup, because even with these claims, I dont know the setup. I know whats been claimed and thats it. So I think long story short, I may be scumreading ducky.

[Something_Smart]

pretty minimal pressure

are we reading the same game?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I mean the recalibration of Nep's claim is convenient. Particularly if Una had the email before the pause that NAR was used. But im not in Osuka's mind so maybe Nep did get a result.

So claim wise we have FED as informed, Nep tracker, Una rolestopper, flipped Pookie as rolecop.

Then we've got Zombie claiming gated neapolitan which plus retracted and claimed vt and i claimed vt yesterday. So that leaves like 5 slots left (S_S, duck, forpy, lillith, and N_M).

I want to reiterate my request for S_S meta on D1 policy elims. Also S_S was was 1607 referencing. When had you said that about Lillith? Lillith, you can answer too.

leaves 5 slots left for what? No one is confirmed town just for claiming a PR

@billy can you answer this too

5 unclaimed slots. I know claimed pr doesn't mean town. Look, I claimed vt. Vts can't do any real setup spec until massclaim. We don't have any knowledge of what's going on.

[Billy Pilgrim]

pretty minimal pressure

are we reading the same game?

Dude, it was you and ducky that were on him at the time he revealed the crumb. I dont think i remembered that wrong. He wasn't anywhere near ELO.

[Billy Pilgrim]

pretty minimal pressure

are we reading the same game?

Dude, it was you and ducky that were on him at the time he revealed the crumb. I dont think i remembered that wrong. He wasn't anywhere near ELO.

E-1 sorry.

[lilith2013]

SS's point is that we have rolestopper!una who we can direct to rolestop a neapolitan claim and protect them for another night, forcing a result. una outed his rolestopper role before zombie's claim, so vt!zombie would have known that una could have rolestopped zombie to get a result. at what point was zombie intending to reveal that the claim was fake? after we wasted the rolestop on him?

[PlusJOYED]

Lilith seems pretty town, sounds like a town thought process/flow from what I've seen day 2