Open 792: Masons and Monks GAME OVER

[DrDolittle]

wat i am not aware of this how

[DrDolittle]

did everyone claim already in this game

[Joey_]

It’s not really ‘informed’. You have to remember that I have played with a majority of these players in old games before my break and then even more on top of this I have met a few of these players iRL due to many meets when I was quite active.

Just a quick run down on a few whom I met iRL in this game {Nottyscience, Agar & Dram} just a gut feel I don’t ever remember dram getting frustrated in a game to the point he’s replaced out. So him replacing out just doesn’t feel AI. Which I could likely be wrong.

That’s why when elements replaced out I felt like Agar’s post felt odd because I don’t remember him ever being aggressive like that before.

Thats a town post to me guys, if not gj

[Joey_]

Joey might just be scum too

I'm coming around to this. That vote switch off Mala just when the wagon took off reeks of a scum pair. Problem is you won't vote Mala still, so...

Thats fucking ridiculous, I obviously was second guessing myself and show thought process

[Joey_]

Id probably flip anything besides prs and a50 but would need another read before I am certain. aGar should lead something, I am too busy irl atm

meh thinks 1175 looks informed

VOTE: mala
Sup

VOTE: mala
Wagon wheeee
Let's just flip and progress

@a50 Like, I think you are reasonable enough to understand that town can sometimes be uncertain in their votes, correct?
1178 showed I was being uncertain about how to proceed
1182 showed I had new information so I placed a new vote
Then besides aGar, 2 people followed up on my vote within 3 hours.

This is town lylo and there haven't been a wagon since I replaced it since I killed both; mine and element's. Now there's a quick wagon forming, what do you think is a town reaction to this? "urr durr caught skum'' or ''shit, maybe I goofed and i should double check mala just to make sure''. So I made 1188 then asked someone to proofread me and to share my thoughts. I ended up convincing myself to switch because I think there are worse slots, like dundun, so I voted dundun.

You say It's scummy to switch my vote but, what is your expected ''town way'' to switch my vote there? How can town ever switch a vote when a wagon takes-off w/o reeking scum like you said? I was being as transparent/coherent as it gets and you obviously didn't give a slight shit about my intentions or thoughts process. U mefia m8?

[Joey_]

Beisde, cakez's 1187 asking to flip&progress makes little sens as town mindset of this being lylo. Which is part of why I was second guessing myself

[Joey_]

If dundun is town he actually deserves to lose and I am fine w/ that. His iso's worth of content is inexistent

[Almost50]

You didn't vote one of DDL/SC though. Surely if you thought/suspected you goofed then you suspected one (or both) of them to be scum (of the other team). Instead, you opted to vote my top TR (before the claims).

Pick one of DDL/SC to vote if you suspect Mala is the wrong choice today.

[Joey_]

And btw, I am frustrated because town obviously are playing like shit. It's not normal that in a table of 10, I can't hard townread anyone 50 pages in

[Joey_]

You didn't vote one of DDL/SC though. Surely if you thought/suspected you goofed then you suspected one (or both) of them to be scum (of the other team). Instead, you opted to vote my top TR (before the claims).

Pick one of DDL/SC to vote if you suspect Mala is the wrong choice today.

Why is the fact that I voted your top TR has anything to do with ''switching votes reeks scum''? Both are unrelated events

[Joey_]

So you just admitted that you chainsawed my ass

[Almost50]

If dundun is town he actually deserves to lose and I am fine w/ that.

So, his isn't a town mindset and yours above is??? Get out of here.

P-edit: I find it hilarious that you managed to respond to this part and not the main point which was IF YOU BLOODY SUSPECTED YOU GOOFED THEN -BY NECESSITY- YOU SUSPECT AT LEAST ONE OF DDL/SC IS SCUM.

You know what?

VOTE: Joey_

[Joey_]

If dundun is town he actually deserves to lose and I am fine w/ that.

So, his isn't a town mindset and yours above is??? Get out of here.

P-edit: I find it hilarious that you managed to respond to this part and not the main point which was IF YOU BLOODY SUSPECTED YOU GOOFED THEN -BY NECESSITY- YOU SUSPECT AT LEAST ONE OF DDL/SC IS SCUM.

You know what?

VOTE: Joey_

Not really but yes, in part. I still prefer dundun

[Joey_]

Like I was townreading elements when he was there and cakez the majority of the last 20 pages. I disliked cakez vote and Drlittle well, hasn't done anything since replace-in so both my townreads on them was wavering from their vote. Still, even if wavering, they were both still less scum than dundun

Is that clearer?

[Joey_]

1206 Is the town mindset of someone who are unsure of their reads and would feel like shit being wrong in a pool of 4/7. It basically means that I won't blame myself (when I normally would) because dundun's play is atrocious and isn't fucking doing anything worth not lynching over

About chainsaw defense :https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... aw_Defense

"The general form of this tell is "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum".

The key to identifying this tell is intent - it is possible to confuse Chainsaw Defense with a player who simply finds the attacker scummy and has no intent of defense. In general, you can be reasonably sure that this tell is involved if a) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense has not previously been especially critical of the player he is now attacking, and b) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense seems to find the player he is supposedly defending at least reasonably pro-town''

When you proved that you scumread actually voting dundun over others, then I assumed chainsaw. That being said, I understand better now when you said youd' expect me to vote inside the DrD/Cak voters

[Almost50]

I still prefer dundun

With all due respect, I don't care what you prefer. I'm a starter, you're a replacement. You don't replace in to mess up my stats with your whims, assuming you are town.

[Joey_]

I still prefer dundun

With all due respect, I don't care what you prefer. I'm a starter, you're a replacement. You don't replace in to mess up my stats with your whims, assuming you are town.

This is hilarious, because the content itself is irrelevant fucking bullcrap. Then, you proceed to appeal to me and you are enough self-aware that it makes no sens to appeal to your scumread so you add ''assuming you are town'' lole

[Almost50]

Like I was townreading elements when he was there and cakez the majority of the last 20 pages. I disliked cakez vote and Drlittle well, hasn't done anything since replace-in so both my townreads on them was wavering from their vote. Still, even if wavering, they were both still less scum than dundun

Is that clearer?

No. That's bullshit. If both are town then the wagon on Mala was growing naturally. I was positing to hammer once one more vote had been casted on her myself. Town tens to vote scum after a massclaim and based on the D1 elimination wagon on TOWN.

You're fucking assuming 7 Townies voted N_M for the elimination?? SERIOUSLY??

[Joey_]

I think a50 is blundering thinking he can lynch me, you have balls tho

[Almost50]

Listen, you go before Dunn. I am not letting him get eliminated here. If he managed to fool me, I am to blame. But I'm not yielding. Not when my bloody readlist BEFORE the massclaim looked like:

Dunn
dave
AGar/Bulge

Xayah

dram
Mala/Elements/SC

[Joey_]

Like I was townreading elements when he was there and cakez the majority of the last 20 pages. I disliked cakez vote and Drlittle well, hasn't done anything since replace-in so both my townreads on them was wavering from their vote. Still, even if wavering, they were both still less scum than dundun

Is that clearer?

No. That's bullshit. If both are town then the wagon on Mala was growing naturally. I was positing to hammer once one more vote had been casted on her myself. Town tens to vote scum after a massclaim and based on the D1 elimination wagon on TOWN.

You're fucking assuming 7 Townies voted N_M for the elimination?? SERIOUSLY??

I said both vote's made me wavery on my townreads, therefore I couldn't assume the wagon was then growing naturally

Objectively, the comparison of how wagons formed from my replace-in VS how fast mala's wagon formed made it obvious to me that it wasn't a wagon growing ''naturally''. And that is, regardless who was voting

''I was positing to hammer once one more vote had been casted on her myself. Town tens to vote scum after a massclaim and based on the D1 elimination wagon on TOWN.'' Again this is a logical slip since I invented that wagon. It would imply that I am town, yet you scumread me for switching.

[Joey_]

Listen, you go before Dunn. I am not letting him get eliminated here. If he managed to fool me, I am to blame. But I'm not yielding. Not when my bloody readlist BEFORE the massclaim looked like:

Dunn
dave
AGar/Bulge

Xayah

dram
Mala/Elements/SC

Explain your townread on him then. Why don't you try to appeal to me to lynch one of your other scumreads ? It's not like I have been hardtunneling dundun and fucking the whole gamestate. Also, even if I was scum, you could still think youd assume youd be able to appeal to me to vote outside dundun and possibly on another scum (not in my team from your POV)

How do you really formulate that: Because I am voting dundun, I have to die so dundun doesn't die? This makes little sens especially since I am PR, obvious town and you townread me the whole fucking game.

[Almost50]

Damn right I can eliminate you. If I can't then I'll die trying.

But your not

the

elimination I want today. I want one of the 4 yop suspects of mine. If one of them flips green then you sre are the backup pick

[Joey_]

Damn right I can eliminate you. If I can't then I'll die trying.

But your not

the

elimination I want today. I want one of the 4 yop suspects of mine. If one of them flips green then you sre are the backup pick

Then why would you vote me? Thats makes 0 sens

[Joey_]

Also why am I the backup pick when you listed a scumpool of 4 ppl more ''scummy'' than me before the claims. Why wouldn't I be the 5th pick?

If you don't want me to question your coherence with your list before claims, then don't use the list to justify reads after the claims. Again makes 0 sens