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[shellyc]

I still scumread Shelly for his "confidence" on a NPOM scumflip.

If I was scum why would I confidently call someone scum in twilight when they were going to flip and I would have looked super bad?

Literally so you could make this post right here

you're wifoming this here

I have town motives from calling NPOM scum in twilight (because of my wack reads) and you can't doubt that

[Glitch]

But I do doubt that.

[Micc]

Votecount 4.01

Almost50 (3) -

JacksonVirgo, NorwegianboyEE, shellyc

Not Voting (9) -

Ydrasse, Bell, stan1ey, Almost50, Marshmallow Marshall, ralph217, Titus, Town looter, Glitch

With 12 players alive it takes 7 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 4 is in (expired on 2020-09-25 08:00:00).

shellyc is V/LA until 9/20.

[Glitch]

VOTE: Almost50
Claim up buddy

[stan1ey]

where would you put me JV?

Wdym? Are you asking if I have you in the poe? Yeah I do, I only have 2/3 people that I think a full-claim may not be necessary and one of those have already claimed.

Yes asking if you want me to claim or not basically. idk if it will benefit town or not bull ill do it if u want

[Titus]

@Titus
Why did you target the vigilante rather than the gunsmith? Isn’t it objectively more pro-town play to protect the gunsmith?

Absolutely not. If the vig hits scum, we don't have to burn a lynch. Plus, the vig shoots indefinitely while fwes had only one more shot. Third, MM is conftown bc normal rules. Fwes, while probably town at the time, wasn't conftown.

[Titus]

And if Titus is targeting PR’s and scum knows killing town!Titus can get two town at the same time, why has this not happened?

Because they don't know I am targeting PRs until after the fact.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Um, Titus?

Assuming the vigi shot Hiraki, I did not expect them to be shot as if A50 flipped town I was gonna TR them but Hiraki's flip doesn't really solve much.
VOTE: A50

Now we have waste this day phase on lynching someone we already know is scum. Sigh...
VOTE: Almost50

Uh okay, I don't see what you guys are seeing lol. How do we "know" he's scum?

happy to claim if ppl wanna do the mass claim, still not a massive fan of it tho

At this point, enough PRs have claimed to make massclaim only damaging for scums. Let's go.

I think the super townie players shouldn't need to claim anything, but those in the poe or possible poe should.

Everyone should claim; "super townie players" could be powerwolves.

Um, Titus?

Assuming the vigi shot Hiraki, I did not expect them to be shot as if A50 flipped town I was gonna TR them but Hiraki's flip doesn't really solve much.
VOTE: A50

I targeted MM.

With scum supposing I was on you, I could protect another PR. I don't regret lying to you in the slightest.

I confirm I was visited by Titus btw, if that interests anyone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I confirm I was visited by Titus btw, if that interests anyone.

Ok i’ll trust their claim then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Titus
Why did you target the vigilante rather than the gunsmith? Isn’t it objectively more pro-town play to protect the gunsmith?

Absolutely not. If the vig hits scum, we don't have to burn a lynch. Plus, the vig shoots indefinitely while fwes had only one more shot. Third, MM is conftown bc normal rules. Fwes, while probably town at the time, wasn't conftown.

If vig hits town they die.
If gunsmith hits town we get a conf!town.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Oh yes, A50 claiming first and everyone claiming after is even better, since you all seem to deeply hate him lol.

this is quite obviously town!bell if bell is scum I'm going to be super surprised

I kinda just want to claim now

Agreed.

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Spoiler:

L-1

Death death death.
VOTE: Marshmallow Marshall

A50 is a professional troll.

VOTE: MM

Okay no yall A50 was just fucking around to get TL to stop harping on that one point. It seems pretty obvious esp. coming from A50 who just pulled a scumclaim reaction test

This is actually amazing we basically just caught scum MM

VOTE: MarshmallowMarshall

MM is just caught scum...?
VOTE: Marshmallow Marshall

VOTE: MM

This seems fairly cut and dry

MM were you visited by Fwes last night?

VOTE: MM

VOTE: Marshmallow Marshall

even if mm is vig, i don't trust him with the gun anyway so...

Unvote, Vote: MM

VOTE: MM

I'll come back tomorrow and read in depth but is Bell vs Ydrasse boiling down to Ydrasse throws shade on Bell and then denies SRing him and they just bicker? If so I don't get why people's TR on Bell would be affected if he just reacted and was defensive. Defensiveness isn't always a scumtell.

Unfortunately at this point even if MM comes back and says he got an updated night pm from the mod I don't know that we can believe him. He's been given an opportunity here to manipulate us and will take it as scum or be truthful as town. We are on our own on that one. The only thing slightly indicative is that the mod seemed to imply there was a mistake that was corrected.

I'll be back tomorrow after some sleep.

Yep. This is town.

Why is that town?
Especially the L-1 notification.
You think scum wouldn’t do that?

Let's make a bold assumption that MM is town. Glitch pointing out L-1 is anti-scum - can prevent a mislynch. Perhaps he did it for town creds. But then 3203 destroys the very purpose of his L-1 post.

contradiction

Hence:
town MM => town Glitch.
MM is confirmable, so is Glitch.
Q.E.D.

This really doesn't look like a SvS interaction to me. IKS felt the need to argue and convince Norwee after Norwee asked him to explain what was very probably an easy pocket on very probably town!Glitch. In other words, Norwee is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh it might be more telling of scum!Shelly than scum!A50 that vig wasn’t targeted for the kill tonight.
Because scum probably believed they would target A50, so the fact they didn’t might prove he was not a threat.
Sigh i guess we should think more about this.
UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thanks MM, you just made me doubt everything because you couldn’t just clear my doubts on A50.
Because he’s not going to play seriously anyway.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Tbh it might be more telling of scum!Shelly than scum!A50 that vig wasn’t targeted for the kill tonight.
Because scum probably believed they would target A50, so the fact they didn’t might prove he was not a threat.
Sigh i guess we should think more about this.
UNVOTE:

I follow your reasoning about me not being targeted by mafia putting A50 in a good light, but not about putting Shelly in a bad light. Can you elaborate?


Edit because of new post: I don't scumread A50 though lol

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because i don’t see scum!Shelly bussing A50, but if A50 is town then that destroys my rationale for doubting my scumread on Shelly.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I still scumread Shelly for his "confidence" on a NPOM scumflip.

If I was scum why would I confidently call someone scum in twilight when they were going to flip and I would have looked super bad?

Literally so you could make this post right here

you're wifoming this here

I have town motives from calling NPOM scum in twilight (because of my wack reads) and you can't doubt that

I mean, he CAN doubt that, but your defense is fair, and I don't think you're scum.

And perhaps I'm just really dumb but why do people think you're scum? I'm asking both people who scumread you and yourself.

[Titus]

@Titus
Why did you target the vigilante rather than the gunsmith? Isn’t it objectively more pro-town play to protect the gunsmith?

Absolutely not. If the vig hits scum, we don't have to burn a lynch. Plus, the vig shoots indefinitely while fwes had only one more shot. Third, MM is conftown bc normal rules. Fwes, while probably town at the time, wasn't conftown.

If vig hits town they die.
If gunsmith hits town we get a conf!town.

We already have like 5 conftown. Me Jackson Glitch MM. Going through the unknowns faster is better.

[Titus]

That doesn't count people who are obvious town like Bell.

[stan1ey]

At this point, enough PRs have claimed to make massclaim only damaging for scums. Let's go.

I'm vt
kinda busy today I am reading tho

[Ydrasse]

i am conftown as well! i was gunsmith inno.

i’ll be around later to try and get back into this game properly.

[Ydrasse]

i’m also just vt.

[Ydrasse]

glitch, did you neighborize again or was it restricted by any modifers? i don’t remember it being the latter.

[Bell]

Hi.

[Bell]

I can’t be in everyone’s pockets at once.

[Bell]

i am conftown as well! i was gunsmith inno.

i’ll be around later to try and get back into this game properly.

Sorry.
You know this isn’t true with two goon flips