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[lilith2013]

that’s fair. that’s a bit why I’ve been suspecting four, and to a lesser extent you, after I started townreading duck. I think someone said that four is an alt, and I think you’re capable as well.

[UnaBombaH]

“Getting shot N1” /= “being weak” though. That would be stronger if he had said “I’ve already accepted that I’m dying N1” rather than “being n1ed.”

But you know, Saudade wasn't around for the end of the day.
And we also

NOW KNOW

he wasn't "weak-" anything.
But consider that in conjunction with those posts from Pooky towards Norwee, and I feel like it's very much something scum could guess/fear/ponder.

[Something_Smart]

I'm like 99% sure the initial confusion was caused by the mod thinking that the rolestop/roleblock can't be resolved together, and therefore there was that initial "no result".

Why was it not just the mod getting rolestop and roleblock confused...

[TheFourEyedDude]

that’s fair. that’s a bit why I’ve been suspecting four, and to a lesser extent you, after I started townreading duck. I think someone said that four is an alt, and I think you’re capable as well.

I said I'm an alt.

The fact is, I'm an alt of a dumb player who doesn't bother to look for crumbs, which I know because I am he.

Just being an alt doesn't make me smart, or good. I use alts to hide from the people who know I'm not good or smart.

[lilith2013]

that’s fair. that’s a bit why I’ve been suspecting four, and to a lesser extent you, after I started townreading duck. I think someone said that four is an alt, and I think you’re capable as well.

I said I'm an alt.

The fact is, I'm an alt of a dumb player who doesn't bother to look for crumbs, which I know because I am he.

Just being an alt doesn't make me smart, or good. I use alts to hide from the people who know I'm not good or smart.

We don’t know who your main is, so forgive me if I don’t trust you at your word 100%

[TheFourEyedDude]

So, you'd rather assume that I'm some genius because I'm an alt?

Fuck, I must be great.

[lilith2013]

I can go dig up the posts that led me to townreading duck, but I think his position on me only makes sense if he intends to bring me to LYLO to be the miselim. If I make it to LYLO and he’s still alive, then I’d definitely question my read on him.

[lilith2013]

So, you'd rather assume that I'm some genius because I'm an alt?

Fuck, I must be great.

Apparently I’m in the pool of possibilities and I’ve never read a PR-crumb in my life, so you can’t make less sense in the pool than me

[TheFourEyedDude]

So, you'd rather assume that I'm some genius because I'm an alt?

Fuck, I must be great.

Apparently I’m in the pool of possibilities and I’ve never read a PR-crumb in my life, so you can’t make less sense in the pool than me

But, you literally just said you thought Saudade was a VT. So, how does that line up?

[lilith2013]

Once again, you’re here in the thread but I don’t get any sense that you actually want this game to go anywhere.

[lilith2013]

So, you'd rather assume that I'm some genius because I'm an alt?

Fuck, I must be great.

Apparently I’m in the pool of possibilities and I’ve never read a PR-crumb in my life, so you can’t make less sense in the pool than me

But, you literally just said you thought Saudade was a VT. So, how does that line up?

yeah, I know. una put me in the pool, not me?

[lilith2013]

What are you even trying to get at?

[TheFourEyedDude]

I'm just confused how you thought that he was a VT if you've never read a crumb. So, there must have been something in his posting that lead you to think he was a VT and not a PR?

That seems to me like a strange disconnect. I was sorting town and not town, not VTs, PRs and scum, which seems like what you might be saying?

[UnaBombaH]

I think you’re capable as well.

I'm openly admitting that scum!Una could, and definitely would do something like that, but the circumstances in this specific game do not match up at all.

1) I would be leaving myself and my teammates open to a track from Nep N1. I'm open to bussing, but I hate being guiltied as scum, and would never risk that.
2) My initial read on those crumbs D2 was actually "weak doctor" (and I know it's WIFOM here and now), but scum!Una would've arrived at that same conclusion (obviously). And scum!Rolestopper!Una would NOT want to see a weak Doctor flipped N1 in a game where I was already committed to claiming my true role.

So while I COULD go for something like this as scum, I would not go for Pooky N1, but rather for their crumbed target.
Had I spotted these before N1 as scum, I would've wanted a kill on Ducky 10/10 times, leaving us with the assumption that either Pooky would've claimed a result on the player who is dead (easy to mislynch) or not claimed at all, and continued to crumb and give scum targets to kill.

[UnaBombaH]

SS said D1 that you’re town unless sirius (now froppy) is scum. I said I’ve been thinking about that post and maybe that’s right, that you’re scum with froppy. Then I changed my mind based on your N1.

OK, I guess this makes sense.

[lilith2013]

I'm just confused how you thought that he was a VT if you've never read a crumb. So, there must have been something in his posting that lead you to think he was a VT and not a PR?

That seems to me like a strange disconnect. I was sorting town and not town, not VTs, PRs and scum, which seems like what you might be saying?

He was playing like what I thought a VT would play like. I never saw any crumbs??

[TheFourEyedDude]

I'm just confused how you thought that he was a VT if you've never read a crumb. So, there must have been something in his posting that lead you to think he was a VT and not a PR?

That seems to me like a strange disconnect. I was sorting town and not town, not VTs, PRs and scum, which seems like what you might be saying?

He was playing like what I thought a VT would play like. I never saw any crumbs??

I still just don't get why you specifically were looking at him as VT rather than just town. Why are you getting that specific?

[TheFourEyedDude]

I determined Saudade was town, I didn't sit down and say "Well, he is specifically a VT" or anything like that.

[lilith2013]

Why is this your line of questioning......? This is like the least relevant part of the game right now

[lilith2013]

I didn’t think about it particularly until after pooky died and flipped rolecop, and then I thought “oh, that was really unexpected, I thought he was going to flip VT based on how aggressive saudade was.” I don’t understand why I’m not allowed to think about that??????

[lilith2013]

Like wtf is this question

[UnaBombaH]

Why was it not just the mod getting rolestop and roleblock confused...

Well I guess this could be the case, but isn't that a bit silly?
It makes a hell of a lot more sense to me, considering that I knew what my action was and how it should've played out, that there was some sort of a miscalculation when resolving the night-actions.

Now we know that they initially got a "no result", which was then switched to "UnaB visited Nep".
Meaning that my action was initially not seen by Nep, but became visible upon recalculation.
What could potentially be misinterpreted in a way that stops Nep from seeing me?
A block from a 3rd party (=scum).

[TheFourEyedDude]

Because to me it looks like you were PR hunting. You don't get to tell me what's important or not. I get to use what information I find relevant, so don't try to discourage me from trying to figure out why you were PR hunting day 1 just because you think it's "unimportant".

[lilith2013]

Or osuka thought that the definition of rolestopper meant you roleblocked nepenthes instead of making her ascetic, which blocked her track? I don’t understand what scenario of scum roleblocker leads to osuka resolving actions incorrectly.

[lilith2013]

I’m literally not PR hunting, you seem to be trying to find any excuse to shade me, fuck off?