Newbie 2031 - The Wild Hunt (End!)

[shellyc]

do you think traffic copping is... asking people to offer thoughts on something?

That + not giving YOUR OWN thoughts

[the worst]

I call omgus.

you would. :p you like making a lot of noise as scum, but you still seem to think that NAI buzzwords make your miselim targets look bad. revisit my post and try again please.

were my walls and walls of quotes and catch up not townie enough?

i mean your read on me literally only makes sense if you're trying to make me look like scum.

Nope! Just blatant OMGUS from scumworst here, and obviously trying to get rid of rusty town!me. I can't believe it worsty, let me enjoy feryland instead of limbaiting me

could you please respond to the AI parts of my post rather than postuing?

do you think traffic copping is... asking people to offer thoughts on something?

That + not giving YOUR OWN thoughts

at a like, objective mafia theory level this is a really bad thing to push!
there's a lot to be said for pushing inexperienced/awkward scum into talking about things which are hard to make up. why? because they have to make up answers, and that's hard!

i can't talk for reddy, but i'm asking bluey to elaborate on something which i personally don't care very much about. but i feel like if she's town, it's something she's actually actively thinking about. => if she's scum, i'm calling her out on something which likely was underconsidered.

if i offer my opinion on the vote immediately it makes her post addressing my comment, a "response to my accusation", rather than "an explanation of her action". the former has a finite number of ways it can be played off, and tends to be fairly un-interesting. on the flipside people who are pressured into explaining what they're doing and what they're thinking are a lot more likely to make a mistake. that's the thin ice i want to be pushing people onto.

[the worst]

if anyone is interested this antagonism is nearly identical to the approach scum!shelly took to town!me's replace-into newbie 2023

[Satisfaction]

STOP. POCKETING. END OF CONVO

Oh come on.

[Satisfaction]

if anyone is interested this antagonism is nearly identical to the approach scum!shelly took to town!me's replace-into newbie 2023

Yeeeah part of the fun of trying to understand Noraa is that I’ve been reading shelly as a byproduct. Put me in, coach.

[shellyc]

tbh, I did the immediate worsty push to bait them into bringing up 2023.

2023 direct hostility towards worsty was because worsty's slot was basically USR already. im trying to push you and sort you NOT shade you. there's a fundamental difference

[shellyc]

can you point out the stuff that you claim are AI and you want me to respond to?

[shellyc]

Yeeeah part of the fun of trying to understand Noraa is that I’ve been reading shelly as a byproduct. Put me in, coach.

scum being the rational, agreeable mediator when worstyVme are TvT sounds quite viable.
hmmmmmmmmm

[the worst]

"But if I did I'd be pretending" sounds self aware, +3 scumpoints

when have you ever not seen me self-aware? i'm one of the most prolific mafia addicts currently playing onsite, it would be disturbing if i wasn't self-aware.

in 2023 you were open. flexible, spontaneous, i could see your posts made without a second thought

why are you prodding someone after their RANDOM voting stage vote

(as quoted) the vote didn't seem random. it was also a fair while after others' random votes. something about the timing of it felt like a ~decision~ to vote there rather than a whimsical rvs vote.

uh ok but it's not your job to traffic cop fwiw

worsty despite shading clark (me) why do you never vote it? thats straight out weird

it's a gut read. i'm waiting for you to do something scummy. like mount a bad-faith scumcase against someone who's obvtown... or something like that

Town don't wait for people do to something, town is supposed to be *proactive*

this sets off bells, seems like you're trying to fill space up with words and generally flippantly pocketing satisfaction who i think is pretty townie so far

actually i was responding to arthur, who asked for a towncase on satisfaction. of the sati wagon i would not be surprised if we have scum in {arthur,egix} so i'm really interested to see how they will respond to actually being provided with a strong towncase.

i don't really care what sati thinks of me ngl

"idrc about self image" sounds like a very forced townslip tbh

missed this one accidentally:

why do you think nk15 believes a super early E-1

... did you read the post i quoted?
the only way I could describe that vote from NK15 is "righteous". I definitely think he feels like he's caught scum, even though I strongly disagree with his read.

okay can you elaborate on that then

taking a look at this post at an holistic level - i've italicised the most 'case in point' example.

1. this dialogue opens with arthur asking for a satisfaction towncase.
   
2. i then provide the satisfaction towncase.
   
3. shelly then accuses me of doing the towncase to flood the thread by casing an obvtown player. this means she has decided to overlook why i did the case (i am trying to force arthur to reevaluate)
   
4. i explain that i wasn't doing it to make people townread sati; i was doing it to force arthur to reevaluate.
   
5. shelly ignores this, and focuses on my throwaway comment.

there is a repeated pattern where shelly is ignoring some parts of my play, and focusing on others.
more specifically: she is ignoring parts of my play which are read-related, because i am trying to solve the game. she is focusing on the parts of my play which she can call ~optically bad~, at the exclusion of all else.

if this were a political argument i'd be more patient and appreciate of the tactic, but meh. this is a game of mafia. town are trying to find mafia, scum are trying to arrange miselims. shelly isn't trying to sort me. she's trying to make me look bad.

[the worst]

@shelly, i'm actually more interested to see if *you* can pick the parts of my posts which are worth responding to.

i think i've alignment told this game; i think i could scumcase and towncase myself. i don't think you're doing either. you're undermining, and i'm already aware that's your modus operandi as scum.

[shellyc]

will look into detail regarding your towncase since i havent dived deep into the intricasies of this game but i can see that you were doing to force arthur to re-evaluate (which is NAI anyways) and i acknowledge this

pedit: thats basically saying "go sort me" which isnt very productive but yes, i will respond to the parts that you Really Want Me To Respond To

[the worst]

you can dig through my towncase if you want. like you said, i think he's kinda obvtown and don't think i'd really struggle to make that post as either alignment. there's stuff i'm more alarmed that you didn't notice.

[shellyc]

can i have a better explanation on how you got to null -> vote on bluebells?

[the worst]

still null

[shellyc]

incidentally
VOTE: blueb

how did this come along or is this opportunistic wagoning

[the worst]

it's opportunistic wagoning.

[shellyc]

-5 townpoints worsty

i get it, making up reasons for reads is pretty hard as scum

you just went from -5 on my scum radar to -10

[the worst]

it was town opportunism.

[shellyc]

also. whats your current read on mundivore?

I dont have the high efforting time yet to read more isos but at first sight that slot is pretty townie

pedit: Why would you vote your nullread when youve clearly stated {arthur, egix} are your SRs

[the worst]

with this much time left in the phase, my modus operandi is to push my non-townreads into the spotlight so they make mistakes.
i see one of my stronger townreads throwing a stray vote onto blueb, who i am null on.

do i

a:

leave my vote on a lead wagon i scumread, arthur?

b:

vanity vote egix while leaving sati vanity voting blueb?

c:

join sati on blueb and have two votes on that wagon?

incidentally on the dl i'd be kinda surprised if {arthur, egix} is exactly the scumteam (doubly so since you're literally transparently scum).

[shellyc]

don't dare scumread me again.

Reveal Innocent Child

[shellyc]

thats a pretty good explanation so i'll give you that. but you're still scum

let me look through blue's ISO real quick

[shellyc]

Here are my notes on your posts:

Redados:
12 fun/fluff
14 fun/fluff
15 fun/fluff
42 calling (someone) out
44 encouraging, educational
45 calling out
47 fun/fluff
49 fun/fluff
50 investigating
59 educational
63 reasoning
67 encouraging
76 educational
77 reasoning, educational
85 encouraging, fun/fluff
87 educational, encouraging
115 reasoning, educational
120 calling out, investigating
122 educational
127 encouraging, educational
129 reasoning, educational
130 fun/fluff
132 educational
133 educational
135 calling out, ed
137 educational, reasoning
139 reasoning, investigating
142 reasoning
144 reasoning
145 reasoning
147 investigating
149 fun/fluff
151 reasoning
154 fun/fluff
172 reasoning, encouraging, calling out
173 investigating, educational
176 reasoning
184 reasoning, educational, calling out
185 reasoning, calling out
187 reasoning, educational

oooh a huge bunch of IIoA. but i think it's not very scum driven to waste time at PBPA

[shellyc]

Arthur: Mafia
--grasping at straws, overly defensive, changing reasons/ excuses, pressure already being applied by others

Satisfaction and Redados: Town --seem to be honestly investigating, demonstrating reasoning, don't seem to be hiding or else are super tricky. Both very encouraging, helpful but of course have me pocketed (can we say that now?) with avatar and posting mechanics help, haha

Clarkbar: ?
--pursuing game as his time permits, encouraging and educational

Egix96: ?
--Vague. Is it due to his self analysis of play style being correct? Vote to apply some pressure.

Mundivore: Town
--Limited info he gives leans toward analysis and mafia hunting

NotKnown15: ?
--Very Vague, ask questions when I can keep up to press for info.

this is a very decent readslist, vibing with my thoughts
rest of blue's iso is fluffposting
so nullish, maybe a slight townlean?

[the worst]

reveal even-more-innocent-child.

take that.