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[Menalque]

if (bob, plus, osuka) are all in your pool then you should join plus!wagon and advocate for him shooting in the rest of the pool if he's town

[PlusJOYED]

joyed instead of seeing scum!anybody can you give me a lynch order so we have have some Fun Discussion and I can release my theory on the alignments of plus and ydrasse

here's mine: (least to most)
Shelly
Andres
Menalque
Ydrasse
Math
Bob
Joyed
Osuka

at this point i think bob is more likely than osuka because osuka wouldn't push a venge i think as scum

[shellyc]

secretly ydrasse loves the daddy jokes she just doesn't want to admit it

ydrasse after subconsciously delineating the alignment of you for hours and hours i have come to the conclusion that your user is really catchy and I like it

but anyways, tbh I still think ydrasse is townlean. Quoting myself, sometimes town are just town, and scum are just scum.
wifom isnt a real thing
and ydra has a super townie vibe throughout despite maybe +scumpoints a bit today since they aren't really trying to Solve

[Menalque]

did u guys hear that Pixar are making a sequel to Wall-E about how he came into existence and the role his creator played?

they're calling it Dad-E

[Menalque]

I thought you were locktown on ydrasse, shelly?

[PlusJOYED]

joyed instead of seeing scum!anybody can you give me a lynch order so we have have some Fun Discussion and I can release my theory on the alignments of plus and ydrasse

here's mine: (least to most)
Shelly
Andres
Menalque
Ydrasse
Math
Bob
Joyed
Osuka

mine is probably
andres
mena
joyed
Shelly
ydrasse
osuka
math
bob

[shellyc]

i did before now im unsure, my solve shit has been messed up since all my reads have been wrong (iv, teacher, kerset, even suade a lil)
while I have no scumgames here shelly, i think you underestimate my scumgame and don't realize how fucking awful i am as town

no you're very decent as town and i just reread newbie 2023
maybe i underestimate it but I want to rejoin the joyed wagon, and yeah if joyed is town they shoot within the poe

pedit: I said I was just subconsciously delineating it for hours and reading newbie 2018 (town!Ydrasse) as well

[shellyc]

coz i think if we solve ydrasse and think they're town
the poe is just bob osuka plus

and it's basically gg for us

[Menalque]

I said I was just

subconsciously delineating

it for hours and reading newbie 2018 (town!Ydrasse) as well

idk what this means

[shellyc]

scum!math posibility exists if plus + osuka both are green

pedit: I was thinking about it
why am i getting pedited so hard lol

[PlusJOYED]

i did before now im unsure, my solve shit has been messed up since all my reads have been wrong (iv, teacher, kerset, even suade a lil)
while I have no scumgames here shelly, i think you underestimate my scumgame and don't realize how fucking awful i am as town

no you're very decent as town and i just reread newbie 2023
maybe i underestimate it but I want to rejoin the joyed wagon, and yeah if joyed is town they shoot within the poe

pedit: I said I was just subconsciously delineating it for hours and reading newbie 2018 (town!Ydrasse) as well

what happens if im lying about vengeful but im not mafia either?

[PlusJOYED]

scum!math posibility exists if plus + osuka both are green

pedit: I was thinking about it
why am i getting pedited so hard lol

agree on this

[Menalque]

also where is ydrasse not trying to solve today

I just ISO'd her and I think she's tried to solve you + plus at a minimum so far today

[Menalque]

i did before now im unsure, my solve shit has been messed up since all my reads have been wrong (iv, teacher, kerset, even suade a lil)
while I have no scumgames here shelly, i think you underestimate my scumgame and don't realize how fucking awful i am as town

no you're very decent as town and i just reread newbie 2023
maybe i underestimate it but I want to rejoin the joyed wagon, and yeah if joyed is town they shoot within the poe

pedit: I said I was just subconsciously delineating it for hours and reading newbie 2018 (town!Ydrasse) as well

what happens if im lying about vengeful but im not mafia either?

wut

[shellyc]

what happens if im lying about vengeful but im not mafia either?

fakeclaiming as town = 99.9% anti town

pedit: Ydrasse is just kidbitzing on the sidelines and interacting with me but idk where they're even reading me now

can you quote menal

[shellyc]

like sure they did scumlean me for going super wild on my kerset reads but the read didnt do anything. it didnt go anywhere

[Menalque]

Spoiler:

also, please tell me the thought process behind a team that is me/kerset/whoever.

do i, the "deepwolf", decide that it is worth it to hammer someone, and then kill the person who has focused solely on myself and my partner? who is then flipped, and then also allowing prs to do what they want? how does that set up a winning gamestate for my team instead of me allowing things to run their course and keeping my vote where it was? the wagon at that point had less than 24 hours and it was unlikely for anything to consolidate again. so what benefits did i receive other than everyone going ??? at me hammering like that?

p-edit: you have missed the point so spectacularly i cannot imagine this being in good faith.

words have meaning. you keep using terms like that, but you're not thinking about the gamestate as a whole; do you think that in this game that two people, who are widely townread in this theoretical, let their partner go down like that? surely they have enough sway over people who are townreading them to convince them otherwise, yeah?

do you scumread mena? do you think that there is any indication of what he, or andre, or taylor (who are "confirmed" to you) has done so far are efforts to lead the town astray?

please, tell me what the wincon is for me + kerset + someone else for making that play, and who fits that bill.

you don't need a wall.

i am asking you, very simply, what the wincon is for me/kerset/someone else making that play. how do we win doing what we have done so far?

(the point i'm getting at here is that you've got a tinfoil hat on regarding me when the answer is a lot simpler most likely)

(or you're scum)

you're either overly-confident as town for some reason or scum.

p-edit: but i was off it during the moments matter why? if i'm bussing, isn't the point of me keeping my vote on kerset so people can see i voted out scum?

like, if you're town at this point i really don't know how to get the point across that my actions are counter-intuitive to the narrative you're trying to write for scum!ydrasse and scum!kerset.

you can say it's wifom this, or wifom that, but sometimes you just have to accept things as they are at face value.

but if i had to choose other scum i think its ydrasse

if me going over why a kerset/ydrasse/x team makes no sense for the actions of this game so far you’re a lost cause or scum.

like, you can say i’m scummy but why? what posts do you think are scummy, and how do they benefit a scumteam i’m on?

that hammer was townie af

VOTE: iv

mercy killing

ydr conftown

agree

like lol.

what is your progression on me plus? conftown to scum for... a hammer that you thought was towny?

i'm pretty sure that it's by virtue of the current poe being (correctly) narrow at this point and you need to push some miselims through. and you chose me because...???

and if you're town, and you shoot me despite basically EVERYONE ELSE in this game saying that that is suboptimal for town? that's not on me at this point.

all of this is very literally solving

she's engaging with you to try and follow where you're coming from and get a sense of your alignment

she's then doing the same thing with plus, trying to trace back his thoughts through what he's said to see if it makes sense

just bc she hasn't been trying to engage with every single slot in the PL doesn't mean that she hasn't been trying to solve the slots she thinks she can solve/is more interested in, and this is more reason for her to be town when you add it to the behaviour she displayed not making sense coming from scum

[PlusJOYED]

Spoiler:

also, please tell me the thought process behind a team that is me/kerset/whoever.

do i, the "deepwolf", decide that it is worth it to hammer someone, and then kill the person who has focused solely on myself and my partner? who is then flipped, and then also allowing prs to do what they want? how does that set up a winning gamestate for my team instead of me allowing things to run their course and keeping my vote where it was? the wagon at that point had less than 24 hours and it was unlikely for anything to consolidate again. so what benefits did i receive other than everyone going ??? at me hammering like that?

p-edit: you have missed the point so spectacularly i cannot imagine this being in good faith.

words have meaning. you keep using terms like that, but you're not thinking about the gamestate as a whole; do you think that in this game that two people, who are widely townread in this theoretical, let their partner go down like that? surely they have enough sway over people who are townreading them to convince them otherwise, yeah?

do you scumread mena? do you think that there is any indication of what he, or andre, or taylor (who are "confirmed" to you) has done so far are efforts to lead the town astray?

please, tell me what the wincon is for me + kerset + someone else for making that play, and who fits that bill.

you don't need a wall.

i am asking you, very simply, what the wincon is for me/kerset/someone else making that play. how do we win doing what we have done so far?

(the point i'm getting at here is that you've got a tinfoil hat on regarding me when the answer is a lot simpler most likely)

(or you're scum)

you're either overly-confident as town for some reason or scum.

p-edit: but i was off it during the moments matter why? if i'm bussing, isn't the point of me keeping my vote on kerset so people can see i voted out scum?

like, if you're town at this point i really don't know how to get the point across that my actions are counter-intuitive to the narrative you're trying to write for scum!ydrasse and scum!kerset.

you can say it's wifom this, or wifom that, but sometimes you just have to accept things as they are at face value.

but if i had to choose other scum i think its ydrasse

if me going over why a kerset/ydrasse/x team makes no sense for the actions of this game so far you’re a lost cause or scum.

like, you can say i’m scummy but why? what posts do you think are scummy, and how do they benefit a scumteam i’m on?

that hammer was townie af

VOTE: iv

mercy killing

ydr conftown

agree

like lol.

what is your progression on me plus? conftown to scum for... a hammer that you thought was towny?

i'm pretty sure that it's by virtue of the current poe being (correctly) narrow at this point and you need to push some miselims through. and you chose me because...???

and if you're town, and you shoot me despite basically EVERYONE ELSE in this game saying that that is suboptimal for town? that's not on me at this point.

all of this is very literally solving

she's engaging with you to try and follow where you're coming from and get a sense of your alignment

she's then doing the same thing with plus, trying to trace back his thoughts through what he's said to see if it makes sense

just bc she hasn't been trying to engage with every single slot in the PL doesn't mean that she hasn't been trying to solve the slots she thinks she can solve/is more interested in, and this is more reason for her to be town when you add it to the behaviour she displayed not making sense coming from scum

hmm yeah i may have been wrong on ydrasse

[shellyc]

the whole interaction with me was nothing more than "hey tell me how tf I am scum in this gamestate" sso you think thats solving?
interaction with joyed is "your progression is bad and don't shoot me" how is that solving it's shading + self defending

[shellyc]

joyed you have a mind

don't blindly sheep menalque

[Menalque]

plus are you retracting your venge claim or not

[shellyc]

ok menalque if you think interaction with someone = solving then thats horrifically wrong.

[Menalque]

the whole interaction with me was nothing more than "hey tell me how tf I am scum in this gamestate" sso you think thats solving?
interaction with joyed is "your progression is bad and don't shoot me" how is that solving it's shading + self defending

no, it's clearly more than that? 3926, 3929, 3939 are all very obviously examples of trying to see if you have plausible reasons to thinks she's scum or if you're shitpushing her

with plus she's been doing like the EXACT same thing that you've been doing, trying to get him to commit on his stances on reads and probing at contradictions in his thought (like in 4061, 4095)

[Menalque]

okay I'm starting to have mildly bad feels about shelly now

that's p clearly not what I'm saying so are you reading my posts or not

[shellyc]

even if I have plausible reasons for scum!ydra then it doesnt mean im auto town? since ive seen scum compellingly scumcase people more than once

pedit: you're saying that ydrasse is engaging / probing me to give my thoughts on them and therefore they are solving
which I point out isnt true