Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Prism]

Why have I been town to you all game by the way, Taylor?

[CantHateAPuppy]

its not over if you lunch me, but youre in a good enough spot that youll be fine. good luck!

tanner and chara.

this is a little defeatist when there's like 1 vote one u

[Prism]

What I mean when I say questionable timing on the Elements pings, by the way, since while I've explained the too confident part at a few different points in time I don't think I've hit this before:

Spoiler: Quotewall

HURT: Pooky

Tell me

, do you have any reads on anyone? You haven't stated a single one all game.

The pivot to Pooky is playing it super safe and objective with choosing what to push on.

His approach on me this game is vastly different to how he's ever treated me. The last ~5 games I've played with him he's scumread me. He was town in 4 of those, and scum in 1. My last game with him is the one he was scum in, and in that he mentioned in the scumchat that he knew how to manipulate me by playing to his townmeta, and proceeded to scumread me as usual... the FOOL, that won't ever work on me again.
So, this is very new to me. He doesn't even have a reason to townread me, he's doing it in a memey "Hectic is always town" way. I think there's a chance he's polarising his approach from his last scumgame so that I think he's town here, but he's overdoing it.

Claiming to have no other scumreads+voting Pooky just to pressure a nullread, then outing the scumpings only when I pressured him more is what made the timing questionable.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Why have I been town to you all game by the way, Taylor?

same reason youve been obvtown to everyone else. scum doesnt play like that and id be very impressed if you maintained that level of towniness for that long. its *possilbe* youre scum, but its not plausible really

[Chara]

We all agree that hectic is like ic levels of obvtown here right

i feel like Taylor/Hectic/Krazy/Lavender just has all of the mafia.

what prompted this thought, by the way?

i am not sure what it is Taylor scumreads me for.

[Prism]

"that" is very descriptive, thank u

[Tayl0r Swift]

happy to help

[Prism]

here's a few scumgames of me playing like that btw

[Prism]

We all agree that hectic is like ic levels of obvtown here right

i feel like Taylor/Hectic/Krazy/Lavender just has all of the mafia.

what prompted this thought, by the way?

i am not sure what it is Taylor scumreads me for.

lmfao I forgot about this from Krazy

to give my 2 cents here: n o

[Hectic]

We all agree that hectic is like ic levels of obvtown here right

i feel like Taylor/Hectic/Krazy/Lavender just has all of the mafia.

what prompted this thought, by the way?

i am not sure what it is Taylor scumreads me for.

Why am I in there when I've been pushing for Krazy's slot the entire day? If it's unrelated to Krazy, why am I down there now?

[Morning Tweet]

Prism I will make u a deal -- if we flip Krazy and it's a miselim, and then Tayl0r or Hectic suicides, I will wagon whichever one survives

I also might decide to go after Tayl0r regardless D3 anyway

[Chara]

Prism i just had a bad thought, if Taylor is just

this

apathetic as town and then Hectic flips Chara and we lose the chance to get him. there's nothing that tells me he would have to be Chara over mafia and nothing stopping Taylor from being mafia but she's such a wall i'm nervous.

HURT: Hectic
1752 is so much.

[Prism]

Can I ask you why you think it's Krazy over Tayl0r, first?

[Hectic]

Prism Prism Prism....

Tayl0r only makes sense as scum if she's

exactly

scum with me. Otherwise, her day 1 actions make no sense as I've previously pointed out.

On the other hand, Krazy makes sense as scum with anyone who's been discussing alternative options for a launch today, or even apathetic scum who's accepted defeat.

You're willing to vote for the exactly Tayl0r + Hectic world over the Krazy!scum world? I find this troubling.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Prism I will make u a deal -- if we flip Krazy and it's a miselim, and then Tayl0r or Hectic suicides, I will wagon whichever one survives

I also might decide to go after Tayl0r regardless D3 anyway

im deeply offended!

*gives an affectionate ear flop anyway*

[Prism]

Also why were you so persuaded by the posts and not like, anything else before?

[Hectic]

Prism i just had a bad thought, if Taylor is just

this

apathetic as town and then Hectic flips Chara and we lose the chance to get him. there's nothing that tells me he would have to be Chara over mafia and nothing stopping Taylor from being mafia but she's such a wall i'm nervous.

HURT: Hectic
1752 is so much.

What on earth lol

[Chara]

We all agree that hectic is like ic levels of obvtown here right

i feel like Taylor/Hectic/Krazy/Lavender just has all of the mafia.

what prompted this thought, by the way?

i am not sure what it is Taylor scumreads me for.

Why am I in there when I've been pushing for Krazy's slot the entire day? If it's unrelated to Krazy, why am I down there now?

everyone else went up. i don't think you and Krazy would be scum together based on you voting there, no.

[Prism]

Prism Prism Prism....

Tayl0r only makes sense as scum if she's

exactly

scum with me. Otherwise, her day 1 actions make no sense as I've previously pointed out.

Yep. Thanks for that.

On the other hand, Krazy makes sense as scum with anyone who's been discussing alternative options for a launch today, or even apathetic scum who's accepted defeat.

You're willing to vote for the exactly Tayl0r + Hectic world over the Krazy!scum world? I find this troubling.

Yes. I think redtea was town, and I don't think Krazy has a partner other than maybe Lavender/Tanner.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Prism i just had a bad thought, if Taylor is just

this

apathetic as town and then Hectic flips Chara and we lose the chance to get him. there's nothing that tells me he would have to be Chara over mafia and nothing stopping Taylor from being mafia but she's such a wall i'm nervous.

HURT: Hectic
1752 is so much.

disagree. we lunch either me or tanner or krazy today. or lavender i guess? what happened to lavender? shoot for scum, not for chara, thats a recipe for shooting yourself in the foot. also then you have to lunch me tomorrow which is bad. bad bad bad. stop saying bad things chara.

[Morning Tweet]

Can I ask you why you think it's Krazy over Tayl0r, first?

What's the source of your confidence in my slot again?

Hmmm.... well I decently townread 50% of the game. Out of the rest, your slot has no good interactions with Elements.

In fact, if you ctrl-F elements in redtea's ISO, their only mentions of Elements are two separate defenses of him. 266 and 595. Neither are huge defenses, just kind of "give him the benefit of the doubt" kinda things.

I see absolutely no reason it isn't Krazy and I had like, tinfoil reads on Tayl0r

I think the meta you brought up is a fair point but probably not enough to make me change. Somebody pointed out it is 2 years old

[Prism]

we lost a post somehow in between my last two

Prism i just had a bad thought, if Taylor is just

this

apathetic as town and then Hectic flips Chara and we lose the chance to get him. there's nothing that tells me he would have to be Chara over mafia and nothing stopping Taylor from being mafia but she's such a wall i'm nervous.

HURT: Hectic
1752 is so much.

??? Hectic is not Chara here, the entire point of Hectic scum is to bus for towncred and he literally dies immediately as Chara without getting to use it

[Prism]

Chara-Hectic hardbussing for towncred makes absolutely no sense, if Hectic actually did that he hardtrolled his team lmao

[Hectic]

Why exactly was redtea town, Prism? If you've already cased why, let me know. The meta means very little as that was 2 years ago. Also, the soft defence of Ele in 266

[CantHateAPuppy]

On the other hand, Krazy makes sense as scum with anyone who's been discussing alternative options for a launch today, or even apathetic scum who's accepted defeat.

just out of curiosity who is this (if not everyone)