Was hoping to hear a little more from Saber but shrug. This might be a terrible vote if it's green but do think there's a decentish chance it's red given reads elsewhere and they seem exceptionally unlikely to clear themselves via posting. Also general lack of pressure here says decent chance scum wanted to keep the slot alive and given that I'm nervous about most of the other votes now think this is fine.
Also suddenly feeling like Ruler 3 was really trying to stall for time in their latest posts rather than say anything substantive and hoper it would buy them a day of survival.
Fine with a hammer anytime, don't care about a claim, don't have time for it anymore.
The less you say the cooler you look/the less dumb you look when the flip happens.
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He could be the resident miselim through a dearth of interactions with the scum team leading back to him. But it's had to say. There's not much in the way of leads if he flips scum tho.
My reads aren't really changed from anything I've stated earlier bu I've significantly less confidence in a lot of them just because I've doubts about Beast, Lancer, and even Saber to an extent and really do not feel like all scum has to be within that group. Definitely don't think they're all in there. If I'm not here, don't take my word as gospel, be willing to re-evaluate.
And if I do die...it's been an honor and a pleasure. Good luck.
In post 3033, Servant Avenger wrote:The less you say the cooler you look/the less dumb you look when the flip happens.
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He could be the resident miselim through a dearth of interactions with the scum team leading back to him. But it's had to say. There's not much in the way of leads if he flips scum tho.
Pretty much but I don't really expect he'd ever allow us to get leads so it's not like there's a point in keeping him around if he's scum.
fwiw, this is a wild guess, but I'd suspect Archer only chose 1 teammate to put in their list of scumreads and if Ruler flips red I'd feel better about Caster/Beast. Although Archer pretty much ignored both Ruler and Beast. Hrm.
The same as I did before. I don't think he's done any real analysis (beyond the stuff I called "rigid" which is just... easy, not really an attempt to figure out motivations). The towniest stuff he's done so far is appeals lol - I'm weak to the whole "I've done all I can - it's up to you guys!!" approach even though I know it's not really a town approach.
I thought Saber v1 was OK but the towniest thing he did was the eureka moment but there was no followup to that.
Actually was hoping he'd claim just because I have some theories about what scum are going to claim in this game.
TL;DR is he's still in my POE pool, I just don't have 100% confidence on the read.
Also, re: the last minute eureka moment, I don't really believe he thought what he did about it unless he was sure scum picked up on it too? But considering he apparently only saw it at the last minute, it seems a bit of a stretch for him to suddenly go "oh!!! scum were definitely avoiding avenger" particularly when he was scum-reading avenger outside of that? That whole thing is a bit off the more I think about it.
All right. Wasn't sure if I needed to flip out on you or not. I remember liking Saber V1 a fair bit. The idea of him trying to trap people who were avoiding voting Avenger but townreading him is a little funny considering he was skeptical of Avenger for a lot of the phase. Could have been an excuse for setting people up but meh.
Okay so. I was planning to do some cute bullshit with my messenger tomorrow to get some input from probably avenger if I should out but now I have to out.
On night 1, expecting to be eliminated day 2, I chose to use my self-loverize ability to effectively vig Ruler. We are now lovers. In this situation with me escaping the gallows, i have instead vigged myself. I wish this wagon had been slower, as it would have been fascinating to see how scum potentially worked around knowing this info.
This is what i was asking about at EOD1 as well as the terrible (suicidal) action i would have taken were i scum.
I'm potentially fine with this going through, as unfortunately I'm just doomed at this point, but know that you are killing me as well.
The idea of trying to trap people who were avoiding voting Avenger only really works if all the people who were both avoiding voting Avenger and scum were doing it for the reason he thought they were doing it. But unless you think Avenger is town (he didn't at the time) and scum noticed it (he didn't until the last minute apparently), it's a fruitless avenue to explore outside of making note of it and coming back to it later if Avenger is town (from his POV). But he never really ended up doing anything with it anyway.
TBH I might just be wrong about Ruler seeming town purely due to POE (haven't really looked at whether I can construct a team that makes sense based on interactions that doesn't include him). But I suppose I'll talk about what I think he's said that was town in a bit.
It's mostly small things though that I doubt will convince anyone to change their mind. e.g. I thought Ruler v2 getting upset about being called deadweight scum (that ended with him saying "baby is good scum") was probably genuine and something I'm not sure he makes a point of as scum. I also got the opposite impression that Alter Ego seems to have gotten about his interactions with her seeming off. I need to go for a walk, I'll probably read and think along the way, but won't really be posting as much for an hour because I cbf changing my MS account on my phone.
